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"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message ... "Albm&ctd" wrote in message ... I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in their lane marking for pushbikes lately. snip lots of redneck crap then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use? If you do wish to discuss this sort of crap from aus.cars on aus.bicycle then at least take the time to make sure you're not cross-posting yourself. Cheers Peter |
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"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
... I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in their lane marking for pushbikes lately. Some of these roads have been recently resurfaced, then the new marked lines ground out to accomodate a bike lane. What I find a bit disturbing in this is that all this money to do this can't be coming from pushbike use, instead it would come from registered road users... I imagine so correct me if I'm wrong. As I also ride a motorcycle as well as 4 wheeled transport, I see no improved infrastructure for motorcycles (such as a lower rail on steel barriers to avoid contact with the posts etc) despite paying almost as much for it's registration and insurance as the 4 wheeled transport. Considering pushbikes pay **** all in this regard, why is so much money being spent, even at the inconvenience of all registered transport, for example a two laned road reduced to one lane to accomodate a bike lane. I'm not anti-pushbike at all but what I do see is some of this new work being rarely used by pushbikes and in one case the bike lane ends between two lanes of traffic so who could blame them. The other problem with pushies is roundabouts, the bike lane ends, the pushie is going around the outside of traffic, someone turns off legally in a car... crunch. If pushies are demanding more of the road and costing us all then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use? Al (BM&CTD) If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect. If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100 per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than pushbikes easily. What could be fairer than that? |
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"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message ... Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything. Don't like it, don't read it. No, I quite like to read it, but the mind-numbing crap from folks on aus.cars is intolerable And touche! After all that I cross-posted....d'oh!! Try do do it better this time. Cheers Peter |
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"Peter Signorini" wrote in message
... "Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message ... "Albm&ctd" wrote in message ... I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in their lane marking for pushbikes lately. snip lots of redneck crap then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use? If you do wish to discuss this sort of crap from aus.cars on aus.bicycle then at least take the time to make sure you're not cross-posting yourself. Cheers Peter Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything. Don't like it, don't read it. |
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If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect. If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100 per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than pushbikes easily. What could be fairer than that? Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear. You have my vote. |
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"Albm&ctd" wrote in message ... I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in their lane marking for pushbikes lately. Some of these roads have been recently resurfaced, then the new marked lines ground out to accomodate a bike lane. What I find a bit disturbing in this is that all this money to do this can't be coming from pushbike use, instead it would come from registered road users... I imagine so correct me if I'm wrong. As I also ride a motorcycle as well as 4 wheeled transport, I see no improved infrastructure for motorcycles (such as a lower rail on steel barriers to avoid contact with the posts etc) despite paying almost as much for it's registration and insurance as the 4 wheeled transport. Considering pushbikes pay **** all in this regard, why is so much money being spent, even at the inconvenience of all registered transport, for example a two laned road reduced to one lane to accomodate a bike lane. I'm not anti-pushbike at all but what I do see is some of this new work being rarely used by pushbikes and in one case the bike lane ends between two lanes of traffic so who could blame them. The other problem with pushies is roundabouts, the bike lane ends, the pushie is going around the outside of traffic, someone turns off legally in a car... crunch. If pushies are demanding more of the road and costing us all then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use? Al (BM&CTD) If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect. If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100 per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than pushbikes easily. What could be fairer than that? Greetings, Agree. Cars **** up the roads, **** up the environment, and and frequently driven by ****wits as well. Large trucks are even worse offenders on two and sometimes all three counts. Cyclists do no damage, cause very little pollution, and are generally no worse at disobeying road laws than the other morons out there. If you are going to register bikes, where do you draw the line? Does my six year old niece have to pay registration? You would be laughed out of the next election on that one. If you adopt the user pays principle, motorists should pay more than they do now, SUV (Stupendously Useless & Vacuous) idiots even more, and truck lines most of all. Cyclists should be paid a rebate as we are doing the rest of you a favour. R. |
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Ray Peace wrote:
Cyclists should be paid a rebate as we are doing the rest of you a favour. You think cars were unfriendly towards cyclists now? You ain't seen nothing yet. Once their rego has gone up, and we're now getting paid, cagers are _really_ going to tell us what they think. -- Linux Registered User # 302622 http://counter.li.org |
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If you adopt the user pays principle, motorists should pay more than they do now, Based on what logic? By what magic thought process have you deduced that current rego is too low? SUV (Stupendously Useless & Vacuous) idiots even more, Agree. and truck lines most of all. They already do. Cyclists should be paid a rebate as we are doing the rest of you a favour. There goes that logic again. Explain to me how you are doing me a favour by riding in the middle of the road at 20km/h effectively cutting off an entire lane to the rest of use who have paid to use it? |
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There goes that logic again.
Explain to me how you are doing me a favour by riding in the middle of the road at 20km/h effectively cutting off an entire lane to the rest of use who have paid to use it? You have just described Melbourne tram. Relatively speaking trams cause far more congestion on Melbourne roads (think Burke Road, Toorak Road, Glenhuntly Road, Hawthorn Road, Chapel street etc) than the odd cyclists. In Europe they have electric trolley-busses that pull over like a bus - a much better idea on shared roads. Add tram lines impact on road safety (motor cycles and cars are also affected). Add tram line maintenance costs and specialist personnel required to maintain trams and drive them. And the only reason a cyclist might block a moving car is because the left most lane is already blocked by a parked car. I can use an argument that roads are built for going, not for parking. Clear the roads from stationary objects and you have a much smoother, fairer traffic system for all. When I lived in USA on East coast I noticed that most roads with one or two lanes there do not allow kerb side parking, period. Fix the road parking problem and we all can share the roads better. |
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Uncle Bully wrote:
If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect. If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100 per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than pushbikes easily. What could be fairer than that? Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear. You have my vote. yeah me too. This has been donme to death. An equitible type rego based on damage to roads has cyclists paying about $1 year, motorbikes about $100, the average car about $500 the average 4wd lots more and so on Any idea how to collect that $ 1 a year. Bearing in mind that to be worth it is has to cost less than $1 per bike. Dave |
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