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Old February 25th 05, 11:50 AM
Peter Signorini
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"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
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"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
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I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately.


snip lots of redneck crap

then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for

road use?

If you do wish to discuss this sort of crap from aus.cars on aus.bicycle
then at least take the time to make sure you're not cross-posting yourself.

Cheers
Peter


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Old February 25th 05, 11:53 AM
Rainbow Warrior
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"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
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I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately. Some of these roads have been
recently resurfaced, then the new marked lines ground out to
accomodate a bike lane. What I find a bit disturbing in this is that
all this money to do this can't be coming from pushbike use, instead
it would come from registered road users... I imagine so correct me if
I'm wrong.
As I also ride a motorcycle as well as 4 wheeled transport, I see no
improved infrastructure for motorcycles (such as a lower rail on steel
barriers to avoid contact with the posts etc) despite paying almost as
much for it's registration and insurance as the 4 wheeled transport.
Considering pushbikes pay **** all in this regard, why is so much
money being spent, even at the inconvenience of all registered
transport, for example a two laned road reduced to one lane to
accomodate a bike lane. I'm not anti-pushbike at all but what I do see
is some of this new work being rarely used by pushbikes and in one
case the bike lane ends between two lanes of traffic so who could
blame them.
The other problem with pushies is roundabouts, the bike lane ends, the
pushie is going around the outside of traffic, someone turns off
legally in a car... crunch.
If pushies are demanding more of the road and costing us all then when
are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use?

Al (BM&CTD)


If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?


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Old February 25th 05, 12:03 PM
Peter Signorini
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"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
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Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything.
Don't like it, don't read it.


No, I quite like to read it, but the mind-numbing crap from folks on
aus.cars is intolerable

And touche! After all that I cross-posted....d'oh!! Try do do it better this
time.

Cheers
Peter


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Old February 25th 05, 12:10 PM
Rainbow Warrior
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"Peter Signorini" wrote in message
...

"Rainbow Warrior" wrote in message
...
"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
...

I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately.


snip lots of redneck crap

then when are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for

road use?

If you do wish to discuss this sort of crap from aus.cars on aus.bicycle
then at least take the time to make sure you're not cross-posting

yourself.

Cheers
Peter


Hey, it's not like a critical mass thread or anything.
Don't like it, don't read it.



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Old February 25th 05, 02:30 PM
Uncle Bully
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If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?


Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear.
You have my vote.


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Old February 25th 05, 09:58 PM
Ray Peace
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Rainbow Warrior wrote:
"Albm&ctd" wrote in message
...

I lied about the **** but I've noticed a lot of roads being changed in
their lane marking for pushbikes lately. Some of these roads have been
recently resurfaced, then the new marked lines ground out to
accomodate a bike lane. What I find a bit disturbing in this is that
all this money to do this can't be coming from pushbike use, instead
it would come from registered road users... I imagine so correct me if
I'm wrong.
As I also ride a motorcycle as well as 4 wheeled transport, I see no
improved infrastructure for motorcycles (such as a lower rail on steel
barriers to avoid contact with the posts etc) despite paying almost as
much for it's registration and insurance as the 4 wheeled transport.
Considering pushbikes pay **** all in this regard, why is so much
money being spent, even at the inconvenience of all registered
transport, for example a two laned road reduced to one lane to
accomodate a bike lane. I'm not anti-pushbike at all but what I do see
is some of this new work being rarely used by pushbikes and in one
case the bike lane ends between two lanes of traffic so who could
blame them.
The other problem with pushies is roundabouts, the bike lane ends, the
pushie is going around the outside of traffic, someone turns off
legally in a car... crunch.
If pushies are demanding more of the road and costing us all then when
are they going to contribute with a fee (rego or other) for road use?

Al (BM&CTD)



If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?


Greetings,
Agree. Cars **** up the roads, **** up the environment, and
and frequently driven by ****wits as well. Large trucks are even
worse offenders on two and sometimes all three counts. Cyclists do
no damage, cause very little pollution, and are generally no worse
at disobeying road laws than the other morons out there.
If you are going to register bikes, where do you draw the line?
Does my six year old niece have to pay registration? You would be
laughed out of the next election on that one.
If you adopt the user pays principle, motorists should pay more
than they do now, SUV (Stupendously Useless & Vacuous) idiots even
more, and truck lines most of all. Cyclists should be paid a
rebate as we are doing the rest of you a favour.
R.
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Old February 25th 05, 10:20 PM
John Tserkezis
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Ray Peace wrote:

Cyclists should be paid a rebate as we are doing the rest of you a favour.


You think cars were unfriendly towards cyclists now?
You ain't seen nothing yet.

Once their rego has gone up, and we're now getting paid, cagers are _really_
going to tell us what they think.
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Old February 26th 05, 12:35 AM
Uncle Bully
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If you adopt the user pays principle, motorists should pay more than they
do now,


Based on what logic?
By what magic thought process have you deduced that current rego is too low?


SUV (Stupendously Useless & Vacuous) idiots even more,


Agree.

and truck lines most of all.


They already do.

Cyclists should be paid a rebate as we are doing the rest of you a favour.


There goes that logic again.
Explain to me how you are doing me a favour by riding in the middle of the
road at 20km/h effectively cutting off an entire lane to the rest of use who
have paid to use it?


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Old February 26th 05, 02:59 AM
Yuri Budilov
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There goes that logic again.
Explain to me how you are doing me a favour by riding in the middle of the
road at 20km/h effectively cutting off an entire lane to the rest of use
who have paid to use it?


You have just described Melbourne tram. Relatively speaking trams cause far
more congestion on Melbourne roads (think Burke Road, Toorak Road,
Glenhuntly Road, Hawthorn Road, Chapel street etc) than the odd cyclists. In
Europe they have electric trolley-busses that pull over like a bus - a much
better idea on shared roads. Add tram lines impact on road safety (motor
cycles and cars are also affected). Add tram line maintenance costs and
specialist personnel required to maintain trams and drive them.

And the only reason a cyclist might block a moving car is because the left
most lane is already blocked by a parked car. I can use an argument that
roads are built for going, not for parking. Clear the roads from stationary
objects and you have a much smoother, fairer traffic system for all. When I
lived in USA on East coast I noticed that most roads with one or two lanes
there do not allow kerb side parking, period. Fix the road parking problem
and we all can share the roads better.



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Old February 26th 05, 04:02 AM
Dave
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Uncle Bully wrote:
If we worked it out fairly by km traveled you would find the average
cyclists rego not worth the trouble to collect.

If I have to pay $100 a year to do 100km, then car drivers should pay $100
per km. Because they cause 100 times more expense in road works than
pushbikes easily.

What could be fairer than that?



Motorcycles then too should be up for a discount. And 4WDs? Oh dear.
You have my vote.


yeah me too.

This has been donme to death. An equitible type rego based on damage to
roads has cyclists paying about $1 year, motorbikes about $100, the
average car about $500 the average 4wd lots more and so on

Any idea how to collect that $ 1 a year. Bearing in mind that to be
worth it is has to cost less than $1 per bike.

Dave
 




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