Pedals Generally Getting Too (Scary) Light???

All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith


Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------


LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...ore-Notice.pdf

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------


Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

spincircles schreef:
All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith


Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------


LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...ore-Notice.pdf

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------


Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XTR+Klickpedale?osCsid=d061fba1ba50b5aca094f d839c70362c

Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.

Lou

spincircles wrote:

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

http://cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08354.html

Because it was just 2004 and 2005 models with steel axles that were
recalled, the rest (later steel and all Ti) are presumably OK. I feel
confident enough to use them anyway, and for me they are comfortable and
good value for money. Not many others provide up to 9 degrees of float, by
the way.

It's ironic that the titanium axles haven't been affected, because titanum
is often said to be less reliable than steel. These do feel scary-light to
pick up - but there is no evidence to suggest that they are any more likely
to fail that the heavier steel ones. They would have been recalled too if
there was.

~PB

On Nov 16, 10:04 am, Lou Holtman wrote:
spincircles schreef:



All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------

LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice...

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------

Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XT...

Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.



Oh, geez! Those are *mountain bike* pedals, for gawd's sake!! You know
what this kind of thing leads to, don't you? Shame and embarrassment
at the Latte Stop and on the Planet Lycra Club Ride, that's what it
leads to!

Repent now! ;-)

Shimano pedals... I bet you can find something on this page that you
like:

http://www.probikekit.com/display.ph...ART=0&LIMIT=17

On Nov 16, 11:04*am, Lou Holtman wrote:
spincircles schreef:





All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: *I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. *Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. *This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. *Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). *I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? *At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". *I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) *Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) *These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) *Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------

LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice...

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------

Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XT...

Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.

Lou- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes,
Have considered the SPD option. I wear inexpensive, often "vintage"
shoes, and either don't have the SPD bolt on option or the sole is too
soft for such a small contact patch. All in all, still something to
think about.
Thanks,
Pat Smith

On Nov 16, 9:04*am, Lou Holtman wrote:
spincircles schreef:



All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: *I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. *Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. *This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. *Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). *I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? *At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". *I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) *Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) *These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) *Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------

LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice...

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------

Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owner and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XT...

Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.

Lou

As Lou suggests, nowadays, less than 400grms clipless are standard.
Most likely anything above 300grms will be pretty tough. Lou mentions
that shimano SPDs. are tough. Also, the nashbar spds al tess than 30
bucks have been pretty much trouble free for many years on both my
road and mt bikes.

If you really want look type pedals, you can try for a wellgo brand of
look. Nashbar and performance both rebrand wellgo pedals and sell
them. If you are concerned with light-stupid, try to get something in
the 360 grms or so. You'll probably be fine. If not, you'll be out
about 30 bucks.

On Nov 16, 9:20*am, Ozark Bicycle
wrote:
On Nov 16, 10:04 am, Lou Holtman wrote:



spincircles schreef:

All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: *I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. *Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. *This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. *Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). *I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? *At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". *I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) *Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) *These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) *Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
---------------------------

LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
----------------------

Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice....

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
-------------------------------

Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XT....

Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.

Oh, geez! Those are *mountain bike* pedals, for gawd's sake!! You know
what this kind of thing leads to, don't you? Shame and embarrassment
at the Latte Stop and on the Planet Lycra Club Ride, that's what it
leads to!

Repent now! ;-)

yeah, that is almost like riding a recumbent.

"spincircles" wrote in message
...

Yes,
Have considered the SPD option. I wear inexpensive, often "vintage"
shoes, and either don't have the SPD bolt on option or the sole is too
soft for such a small contact patch. All in all, still something to
think about.
Thanks,
Pat Smith
---------------------------------

http://www.allegromedical.com/orthopedics-orthotics-c528/carboplast-thermoplastic-plates-p555596.html

On Nov 16, 11:52 am, " wrote:
On Nov 16, 9:20 am, Ozark Bicycle



wrote:
On Nov 16, 10:04 am, Lou Holtman wrote:

spincircles schreef:

All,
Have been watching over last few years at pedal weghts going down, and
almost bought into the Original Time RXS pedals until they were
recalled.

Decided to wait and observe performance of many pedals before buying
into any sub-400 gr / pair road pedal.

Note: I'm talking about pedals that have the cleat retention function
built into the pedal. Not interested in designs that put the "grippy"
bits on my feet. This takes speedplays out of the running.
Speedplays appear light, but then not so light when you consider
weight of the cleats. Also uninterested in pedals with cleat/hardware
costs of $50 (Campagnolo). I'm a Campy fan, but $50+ for cleats and
hardware? At that price, I'm fighting the urge throw rude hand
gestures and say " kiss my arse". I'll let my wallet respond to that
market price and spend money elsewhere.

Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

I'm about to decide for myself that any road pedal under 400 grams/
pair is probably pushing into "too light" category and should be
avoided if I want the pedals to be bomb-proof,-no question or doubts-
reliable.

My questions:
1) Are road pedals getting too light, and if so , how would you go
about defining the line between completly relaible and less than
completly reliable?
2) Any one have failure experiences with Campy, Ritchey Peloton
Pedals or the new Shimano road pedals (105, Ultegra, DA) These appear
to be very light, and I have not been able to dig many stories of
failures.
3) Why should I consider the campy pedals with the expensive
cleats?

Regards,
Pat Smith

Fro your consideration:
Ime RXS Recall
October 25, 2006
Release #07-014
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07014.html

Name of Product: Time RXS Titan Carbon, RXS Carbon, RXS and RXE
Bicycle Pedals
Units: About 18,000
Distributor/Importer: TIME SPORT INTERNATIONAL/ATAC 2001 Inc., of
Montecito, Calif.
Hazard: The pedal's bearing cap can fail causing the pedal to come off
the bicycle. This poses a fall hazard for riders.
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LOOK KçO Bicycle Pedals Recall
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Look KçO Classic, Sprint, Carbon and HM
with production date codes December 2005 or earlier
(Carbon Ti, HM Ti and other Look pedals are not affected)
The axle can crack and break, posing a fall hazard.
These pedals comply with CPSC and other applicable standards, but Look
is recalling them
voluntarily to replace the axles with a current model
The production date code for KçO Classic, Sprint and Carbon pedals is
molded into the bottom
of the pedal body as shown in the photos below (the date shown is
November 2005):
The date code on HM pedals consists of a letter (A through L) on one
side on the bottom of the
pedal body that represents the month, and a single number on the other
side that represents
the year, so that ´L¡ and ´5¡ on the pedal means it was produced in
December 2005.

http://www.lookcycle-usa.com/keoupgr...n-Store-Notice...

Anectdotes of Look PP256 Pedal Recall
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Look PP256
Look PP 256 Carbon Road Pedal
360 grams / pair
Snipped from rec.bic.racing:

"I broke the pedal body of a new 256 (?) (they're purple) and returned
it
for an exchange. Seems the pedal spindles supplied prior to Fall '95
flexed more than the replacements. I (a 210 # sprinter) will be giving
the
new spindles a thorough test. "
(end snip)

My(Pat Smith's) experience with 256 is limited, but I also had an
experienced bike shop owener and mechanic tell me he had lost faith in
the Look 256 composite body after seeing a pedal body failure.

http://bike-components.de/catalog/Pedals/MTB+Cleat+Mechanism/M+970+XT...

Sub 400 gr, bomb proof, durable, extreme value for money compared to the
ridiculous priced road pedals and two sided as a bonus.

Oh, geez! Those are *mountain bike* pedals, for gawd's sake!! You know
what this kind of thing leads to, don't you? Shame and embarrassment
at the Latte Stop and on the Planet Lycra Club Ride, that's what it
leads to!

Repent now! ;-)

yeah, that is almost like riding a recumbent.

Using mountain bike pedals *and* riding a recumbent.....the horror!
The Horror!!! ;-)