Pedals Generally Getting Too (Scary) Light???

schreef:
On Nov 17, 3:32 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:

On Nov 17, 2:21 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
My my, a bit touchy are we?
Not really I had a great day today.



I don’t race bikes anymore. That doesn’t mean I want smooth metal
surfaces for pedals. This is the first you’ve mentioned of replacing
the pins with something else, which makes a whole lot more sense. At
that point you’ve got a basically normal pinned flat pedal. If
course, that could hurt you as well if you’re unable to walk your bike
without walking into the pedals.
It sometimes does, taking the bike out of a crowded bike rack, but my
trousers don't get ripped now.



If you’re not in a race you’re always sitting in the saddle?
No, but when I'm on this bike I'm always in the saddle. All other bikes
have clipless pedals.

Also
interesting. Most people I know, myself included, like to come out of
the saddle from time to time, even when not racing! Sometimes to
crank up a killer hill, sometimes to stretch out after a bunch of
miles sitting, sometimes to hop a pothole, etc.
I live in The Netherlands. It is as flat as a pancake and good quality
roads and the commuting distances are short.
Come and look at our commuter bikes. No pins what so ever. Only some
rubberish material. Slippery as hell when wet but we manage ;-)

I’m sure I could ride on just the crank arms, sans pedals, if I were
to sit down and go super easy all the time. In fact, I have. The
only time foot slip is an issue is when pushing things to the limit.
I’ve yet to find a way to injure myself pushing the bike, however, so
I guess I’m still one up on you
Probably, I don't mind.

Lou

Heard interesting and good things about the Netherlands. It would
probably be a cool place to visit sometime. Wet rubbery pedals
though? Ick. May as well have a governor on the bike. I guess if
you're just puttering around it'd be fine though.

I'm not puttering around. I'm just going to my work or shop in the city.

I rarely get on a
bike to ride less than 10 miles, and can't find 10 miles that don't
have hills involved, so we're clearly looking not only from different
perspectives in regards to equipment, but also at very different
terrain and "typical rides". At any rate, enjoy your riding, be it
with homemade pins or flat rubbery pedals. I'll stick with the
biggest pins I can find on my flat-pedaled bikes, and clipless
elsewhere.

I just spent a month in the US last september and believe me it is a
different bike commute world over there.

Also, are you aware they sell replacement pin kits that are not hollow
or pointy? May cost less than the torx screws you're using. Depends
on local availability and cost, like a lot of things.

I didn't have to buy the screws, we have them by the buckets at work ;-)

Lou

On Nov 17, 4:20*pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:





On Nov 17, 3:32 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:

On Nov 17, 2:21 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
My my, a bit touchy are we?
Not really I had a great day today.

I don t race bikes anymore. *That doesn t mean I want smooth metal
surfaces for pedals. *This is the first you ve mentioned of replacing
the pins with something else, which makes a whole lot more sense. *At
that point you ve got a basically normal pinned flat pedal. *If
course, that could hurt you as well if you re unable to walk your bike
without walking into the pedals.
It sometimes does, taking the bike out of a crowded bike rack, but my
trousers don't get ripped now.

If you re not in a race you re always sitting in the saddle?
No, but when I'm on this bike I'm always in the saddle. All other bikes
have clipless pedals.

Also
interesting. *Most people I know, myself included, like to come out of
the saddle from time to time, even when not racing! *Sometimes to
crank up a killer hill, sometimes to stretch out after a bunch of
miles sitting, sometimes to hop a pothole, etc.
I live in The Netherlands. It is as flat as a pancake and good quality
roads and the commuting distances are short.
Come and look at our commuter bikes. No pins what so ever. Only some
rubberish material. Slippery as hell when wet but we manage ;-)

I m sure I could ride on just the crank arms, sans pedals, if I were
to sit down and go super easy all the time. *In fact, I have. *The
only time foot slip is an issue is when pushing things to the limit.
I ve yet to find a way to injure myself pushing the bike, however, so
I guess I m still one up on you
Probably, I don't mind.

Lou

Heard interesting and good things about the Netherlands. *It would
probably be a cool place to visit sometime. *Wet rubbery pedals
though? *Ick. *May as well have a governor on the bike. *I guess if
you're just puttering around it'd be fine though.

I'm not puttering around. I'm just going to my work or shop in the city.

Fair enough. The riding style, even when going somewhere, seems to be
similar to "puttering around" from what I've seen and head of over
there. Never been, but that's the impression I get.


* *I rarely get on a

bike to ride less than 10 miles, and can't find 10 miles that don't
have hills involved, so we're clearly looking not only from different
perspectives in regards to equipment, but also at very different
terrain and "typical rides". *At any rate, enjoy your riding, be it
with homemade pins or flat rubbery pedals. *I'll stick with the
biggest pins I can find on my flat-pedaled bikes, and clipless
elsewhere.

I just spent a month in the US last september and believe me it is a
different bike commute world over there.

My commute is "different", even by US standards. Do you read RBM? A
short description of my commute, with pics was posted over there a
short while back.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...1d00535a3e5 1
or http://tinyurl.com/68nqyb


Also, are you aware they sell replacement pin kits that are not hollow
or pointy? *May cost less than the torx screws you're using. *Depends
on local availability and cost, like a lot of things.

I didn't have to buy the screws, we have them by the buckets at work ;-)

Lou- Hide quoted text -

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schreef:
On Nov 17, 4:20 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:


My commute is "different", even by US standards.

Commute with helmets, on a bike with drop bars in lycra riding on the
shoulder of a 4 lane highway. Brrr... no thank you.

Do you read RBM? A
short description of my commute, with pics was posted over there a
short while back.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...1d00535a3e5 1
or http://tinyurl.com/68nqyb


Hah, it looks like one of our sunday rides in autumn/wintertime over he

http://picasaweb.google.com/LoetjeH/...opaedjeswoare#

Cheers,

Lou

On Nov 17, 4:48*pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:

On Nov 17, 4:20 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:

My commute is "different", even by US standards.

Commute with helmets, on a bike with drop bars in lycra riding on the
shoulder of a 4 lane highway. Brrr... no thank you.

My commute includes none of those things. Can't even ride on 4 lane
highways in this area, although in some parts of the US you can.


* *Do you read RBM? *A

short description of my commute, with pics was posted over there a
short while back.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b..._thread/thread...
orhttp://tinyurl.com/68nqyb

Hah, it looks like one of our sunday rides in autumn/wintertime over he

http://picasaweb.google.com/LoetjeH/...opaedjeswoare#

Some of our more tame MTB rides look like that, less the lycra. Well,
a couple guys wear lycra, but not all of them/us! Definitely more my
style than sitting down w/ rubber pedals, or riding a 4 lane highway.

In article
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Jay Beattie wrote:

On Nov 16, 8:16*am, "Pete Biggs"
wrote:
spincircles wrote:
Now I learn that some Look Keos were recalled.

http://cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08354.html

Because it was just 2004 and 2005 models with steel axles that were
recalled, the rest (later steel and all Ti) are presumably OK. *I feel
confident enough to use them anyway, and for me they are comfortable and
good value for money. *Not many others provide up to 9 degrees of float, by
the way.

It's ironic that the titanium axles haven't been affected, because titanum
is often said to be less reliable than steel. *These do feel scary-light to
pick up - but there is no evidence to suggest that they are any more likely
to fail that the heavier steel ones. *They would have been recalled too if
there was.


Gee whiz, I own that vintage! Bummer. Now I have to get
replacements.

The reason these things break is because they have sharp shoulders
machined in the spindles next to the bearing cartridge -- just like
some of the pre-Keo pedals, including a model that I broke. When I
took that model apart to look at it, I couldn't believe the design. I
am not an engineer, so I figured Look knew something that I didn't or
that the material could take such a sharp shoulder without creating a
stress riser. Guess not.

That will teach you to doubt yourself.
Stress riser has everything to do with geometry,
and nothing to do with material.

--
Michael Press

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On Nov 17, 1:30 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
schreef:
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I’m really surprised to hear that people are pulling all the pins and
riding on that smooth metal surface. Seems like a slipped pedal
waiting to happen, as well as a technique that would limit how much
power you can put down and how much of the pedal stroke you can use.
I’ve been thinking about ordering a set of bigger pins (or if they’re
not replaceable, new pedals with bigger pins) for my flat-pedaled
bike, actually. They grip OK, but I’d like a little more.

That surprises me too, I spend quite a lot of time to get the pins on all my
pedals the same length, not too long (too much grip) and not too short (not
enough grip). Slippery pedals scare the hell out of my shins because if you
slip off your pedals, 99% of the time you slam your shins into them...

I'll stick to my medium length pins!

Cheers Dre

DanKMTB wrote:

I’m really surprised to hear that people are pulling all the pins and
riding on that smooth metal surface. *Seems like a slipped pedal
waiting to happen, as well as a technique that would limit how much
power you can put down and how much of the pedal stroke you can use.
I’ve been thinking about ordering a set of bigger pins (or if they’re
not replaceable, new pedals with bigger pins) for my flat-pedaled
bike, actually. *They grip OK, but I’d like a little more.

I use shoes that have soles made of rubber, which allows me to walk
and pedal safely on smooth surfaces. It's pretty cool; I recommend
trying it out.

I assume you have traction pins on your floor at home, then?

In all seriousness, the pedal does not become featureless when the set
screws are removed. It still has edges and holes that make it
significantly different from a flat square of smooth metal. If I felt
like the pedal was slippery, I'd replace the traction pins or at least
put in some machine screws instead. I ride in a central city
environment, where I have to step on and off of my pedals very
frequently. Sharp pins snag on my shoes (as they are supposed to do),
which can make for clumsy steps on and off. It also tears up the
soles of my shoes. I like "barefoot" rubber-faced pedals, but I can't
find such pedals that seem trustworthy to cope with my level of
hurt.

Wellgo mag pedals don't, but many Shimano DX clones do, have some nubs
in the castings after all the removable traction pins have been
removed: http://www.danscomp.com/465266.php Some of them only have
such "pins": http://www.danscomp.com/465110.php That's way more than
enough if, y'know, you wear shoes with rubber on the bottom.

Chalo

On Nov 18, 3:52 pm, Chalo wrote:
DanKMTB wrote:

I’m really surprised to hear that people are pulling all the pins and
riding on that smooth metal surface. Seems like a slipped pedal
waiting to happen, as well as a technique that would limit how much
power you can put down and how much of the pedal stroke you can use.
I’ve been thinking about ordering a set of bigger pins (or if they’re
not replaceable, new pedals with bigger pins) for my flat-pedaled
bike, actually. They grip OK, but I’d like a little more.

I use shoes that have soles made of rubber, which allows me to walk
and pedal safely on smooth surfaces. It's pretty cool; I recommend
trying it out.

Funny you mention that. All my shoes, even my riding shoes have soles
made of rubber. I manage to walk pretty well in them. Of course,
recessed cleats on the MTB shoes help, I’ve seen some road shoes that
resemble skates for pavement.

It's pretty neat indeed, although the Travolta-slides could be
better. It's been a couple weeks since I rode clipped in, as lately
all my riding has been on my 29er commuter, which has flat pedals w
pins. I wear normal sneakers on it, as well as on my BMX.


I assume you have traction pins on your floor at home, then?

Of course. After all, I'm constantly trying to put as much force as I
can down in a circular motion on my floor at home.


In all seriousness, the pedal does not become featureless when the set
screws are removed. It still has edges and holes that make it
significantly different from a flat square of smooth metal. If I felt
like the pedal was slippery, I'd replace the traction pins or at least
put in some machine screws instead. I ride in a central city
environment, where I have to step on and off of my pedals very
frequently. Sharp pins snag on my shoes (as they are supposed to do),
which can make for clumsy steps on and off. It also tears up the
soles of my shoes. I like "barefoot" rubber-faced pedals, but I can't
find such pedals that seem trustworthy to cope with my level of
hurt.

Interesting. I often ride where taking my feet on and off is a
constant. In BMX & skate park riding it's almost constant. When
pulling tricks that involve removing a foot, that foot needs to come
off the pedal and find it again in very short order, lest I FDGB. The
pins never hold me up, nor do they tear up the soles of my shoes. In
fact, the sneakers I wore in today and will wear home are older, and
worn right out, the soles are worn mostly smooth. Even looking at the
perfectly smooth "ball" area, there is no sign of divots or tears from
the pins.


Wellgo mag pedals don't, but many Shimano DX clones do, have some nubs
in the castings after all the removable traction pins have been
removed:http://www.danscomp.com/465266.php Some of them only have
such "pins":http://www.danscomp.com/465110.php That's way more than
enough if, y'know, you wear shoes with rubber on the bottom.

I suppose if your riding & pedaling is fairly sedate, the nubs would
be adequate, but are we not splitting hairs at that point? If the
pedal has nubs, it may as well have pins.

Hey, you can ride in ice skates if it’s what works for you. I just
stated surprise at the choice. I go out of my way to make sure my
flat pedals have aggressive pins, and don’t find them tearing my
trousers or shoes, nor do I find them making stepping on and off
clumsy. I’d contend that the guys who tend to look for a lot of
traction on their pedals, mainly 20” types, are anything but clumsy
getting on and off the pedals. Here’s a couple tame examples that
only took 10 seconds to find, and while there are no doubt much more
graceful examples I’d hardly call this clumsy http://www.pinkbike.com/video/5458/
http://www.pinkbike.com/video/48352/

DanKMTB wrote:
I’m really surprised to hear that people are pulling all the pins and
riding on that smooth metal surface. Seems like a slipped pedal
waiting to happen, as well as a technique that would limit how much
power you can put down and how much of the pedal stroke you can use.
I’ve been thinking about ordering a set of bigger pins (or if they’re
not replaceable, new pedals with bigger pins) for my flat-pedaled
bike, actually. They grip OK, but I’d like a little more.

Chalo wrote:
I use shoes that have soles made of rubber, which allows me to walk
and pedal safely on smooth surfaces. It's pretty cool; I recommend
trying it out.

I assume you have traction pins on your floor at home, then?

In all seriousness, the pedal does not become featureless when the set
screws are removed. It still has edges and holes that make it
significantly different from a flat square of smooth metal. If I felt
like the pedal was slippery, I'd replace the traction pins or at least
put in some machine screws instead. I ride in a central city
environment, where I have to step on and off of my pedals very
frequently. Sharp pins snag on my shoes (as they are supposed to do),
which can make for clumsy steps on and off. It also tears up the
soles of my shoes. I like "barefoot" rubber-faced pedals, but I can't
find such pedals that seem trustworthy to cope with my level of
hurt.

Wellgo mag pedals don't, but many Shimano DX clones do, have some nubs
in the castings after all the removable traction pins have been
removed: http://www.danscomp.com/465266.php Some of them only have
such "pins": http://www.danscomp.com/465110.php That's way more than
enough if, y'know, you wear shoes with rubber on the bottom.


OK for you.
Real leather shoes, with these:
'http://bicycleholic.seesaa.net/category/4668693-1.html
work well for me in toeclips.

The range is wide and no one's wrong about his/her own opinion. I'm just
happy to report that I don't ride like DanMTB. Nor slip off pedals!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
DanKMTB wrote:
I’m really surprised to hear that people are pulling all the pins and
riding on that smooth metal surface. Seems like a slipped pedal
waiting to happen, as well as a technique that would limit how much
power you can put down and how much of the pedal stroke you can use.
I’ve been thinking about ordering a set of bigger pins (or if they’re
not replaceable, new pedals with bigger pins) for my flat-pedaled
bike, actually. They grip OK, but I’d like a little more.

Chalo wrote:
I use shoes that have soles made of rubber, which allows me to walk
and pedal safely on smooth surfaces. It's pretty cool; I recommend
trying it out.

I assume you have traction pins on your floor at home, then?

In all seriousness, the pedal does not become featureless when the set
screws are removed. It still has edges and holes that make it
significantly different from a flat square of smooth metal. If I felt
like the pedal was slippery, I'd replace the traction pins or at least
put in some machine screws instead. I ride in a central city
environment, where I have to step on and off of my pedals very
frequently. Sharp pins snag on my shoes (as they are supposed to do),
which can make for clumsy steps on and off. It also tears up the
soles of my shoes. I like "barefoot" rubber-faced pedals, but I can't
find such pedals that seem trustworthy to cope with my level of
hurt.

Wellgo mag pedals don't, but many Shimano DX clones do, have some nubs
in the castings after all the removable traction pins have been
removed: http://www.danscomp.com/465266.php Some of them only have
such "pins": http://www.danscomp.com/465110.php That's way more than
enough if, y'know, you wear shoes with rubber on the bottom.


OK for you.
Real leather shoes, with these:
'http://bicycleholic.seesaa.net/category/4668693-1.html
work well for me in toeclips.

The range is wide and no one's wrong about his/her own opinion. I'm just
happy to report that I don't ride like DanMTB. Nor slip off pedals!

Well, if you are riding to work in a suit and dress shoes, those pedals
may be near optimum.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.