Valid Armstrong criticism?

I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. Is this accurate? Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

On Jul 28, 10:22*pm, "aeiouy" wrote:
I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. *Is this accurate? *Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

You are checking the USENET for Experts?????

Too ****in' Funny.

On Jul 28, 10:22*pm, "aeiouy" wrote:
I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. *Is this accurate? *Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

Well, judged soley on his 7 TdF wins, the most ever. he would be the
greatest
cyclist of all time. But, I think Merckx is considered to be the
greatest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Merckx

So, I guess there is some truth to that.

aeiouy wrote:

I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. Is this accurate? Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

Nah..Lance was a badass racer when he was younger. Just go watch the clip of
him winning worlds in '93. He won a lot of **** but he was smart enough to
realize that 90% of the races out there are not worth the sacrifice in training
and have little payoff, so he focused on the Tour, which made him millions.
All these other ****hole racers who talk about winnng nonsense races means
something are idiots.

Ask Haven Hamilton if her husband winning a gold medal in the gay Olympics or
Liege matters and she'll tell you not in the least.


Magilla

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:22:01 -1000, "aeiouy"
wrote:

I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. Is this accurate?

July is over dude, hold it till next year.

On 29 jul, 04:50, Tom Adams wrote:
On Jul 28, 10:22*pm, "aeiouy" wrote:

I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. *Is this accurate? *Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

Well, judged soley on his 7 TdF wins, the most ever. he would be the
greatest
cyclist of all time. * But, I think Merckx is considered to be the
greatest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Merckx

So, I guess there is some truth to that.

Correction: He is the greatest "TdF" cyclist of all time. Merckx´s
record blows every other cyclist off the map. It´s not even close.

Thanks

aeiouy wrote:
I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. Â*Is this accurate? Â*Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

wrote:
You are checking the USENET for Experts?????

Too ****in' Funny.

We are experts on fleshlight usage.

Well, judged soley on his 7 TdF wins, the most ever. he would be the
greatest
cyclist of all time. * But, I think Merckx is considered to be the
greatest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_Merckx

So, I guess there is some truth to that.


Is it possible that if Merckx were competing today, he may not be the
greatest? Who knows how much cheating went on back in the 50s? It's
just like auto racing, where the "modern era" drivers are separated
from prior eras, because "back in the day" it was so easy to cheat and
there weren't as many restrictions and regulations.

N.

Nancy2 wrote:
Who knows how much cheating went on back in the 50s?

Since everything was legal there was no cheating.

Bob Schwartz

On Jul 29, 3:55*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
aeiouy wrote:
I've heard it said that Lance isn't as great a racer as his 7 TdF wins would
suggest since he only trained to win the Tour and didn't really race in the
off season. *Is this accurate? *Checking wiki it doesn't look like it but I
figured I'd check with the experts

Nah..Lance was a badass racer when he was younger. *Just go watch the clip of
him winning worlds in '93. *He won a lot of **** but he was smart enough to
realize that 90% of the races out there are not worth the sacrifice in training
and have little payoff, so he focused on the Tour, which made him millions.
All these other ****hole racers who talk about winnng nonsense races means
something are idiots.

LOL. You condemn your own argument much better than I could, so I
won't bother.

To answer the question, IMHO, Lance was a better cyclist pre-cancer as
he conquered adversity in a way he never had to post-cancer. You
never got the feeling he was feeling stretched in those 7 tours wins
and it rarely looked as though he was. His win in Norway in 1993 was
awesome to watch, it kept my attention for hours and got me out of my
seat to applaud at the end which is most unusual when watching TV. I
never got that urge with his Tour wins which, after the first, had an
inevitability about them which was pretty mind-numbing. Pre-cancer
he was an all-round road rider who was unlikely to win the Tour but
would have had an excellent career nonetheless as he was very
accomplished while still young and had attitude. The cancer was the
defining thing because the Lance you see nowadays is of a quite
different physical stature to the guy who won the Worlds in 1993 as
well as Tour stages. I was a big admirer of his and was much
impressed as he fought the cancer and also when he won his first
Tour. Unfortunately, he then became a Tour specialist and do we will
never know whether he would have made a true champion in the old sense
or not. I think he would have, but that's just not the way it is
nowadays, you have to spcialise.

Whatever they might think in the USA, the Tour is only one race in a
long season. Only a few specialists stand a chance of winning it and
though each individual stage is competitive that is because each
individual stage is a race in itself. It's the nature of the Tour
that team tactics play a big part so while those stages are
competitive they can never be as competitive as the classics because
not everyone is trying to win, indeed it always suits some teams not
to try and win any particular stage. It's a shame that we never
really saw Lance the champion. He is certainly one of the great Tour
riders but we'll never know his true potential which is a shame.

Ask Haven Hamilton if her husband winning a gold medal in the gay Olympics or
Liege matters and she'll tell you not in the least.

She obviously knows **** all about cycling too then. Is she a yank?
'Nuff said...

UD