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aluminum frames? -- not a troll
james- This LBS guy that I am gravitating to (by
virtue of geography and I bought my good bike there) will flat out NOT sell me an aluminum frame. This would not be for my main ride. This is a back-up, wet-weather, preeminently affordable yet raceable frame I am looking for. BRBR Find the size and buy elsewhere..Does the guy even sell aluminum framesets?? If he does and will not sell ya one, that's one thing, but if he doesn't, that's HIS choice. I don't care what people say, they do ride different than other materials...no doubt. Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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andres- Aluminum frames are fine, and inexpensive too, BRBR
Some are and some are outrageously expensive... Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:53:46 +0200, Marten Hoffmann
wrote: schreef ... My advice: shop elsewhere. There most certainly are very good aluminum frames available which do not cost a fortune; several of my friends have examples. Second the "shop elsewhere" phrase. Everywhere in Bicycle Land you'll find this kind of Ye Olde Schoole of Thinkinge guys who will claim they have 33 years of experience. Yeah right: that's 3 years of experience which date back 30 years :-( Thirded, but I used to love those guys...they were so easy to sell against. OTOH to give the guy credit it may be simply that all the Aluminum frames HE sells are crap .. A Huffy is a Huffy no matter what you make it out of.... |
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"S. Anderson" wrote in
: snip IMHO, there's a lot of nonsense that goes on about alu frames, specifically about "ride quality" and that type of stuff. There's nothing wrong from an aluminum frame compared to any other frame. If you could perform some type of blind test between an alu frame and other frame materials, I doubt many would be able to tell the difference. There are good reasons to buy other materials, but they're not related to ride. Steel can be straightened after a crash, re-brazed if a dropout breaks etc. But you can get a very good alu frame very cheap that will kick an equivalent steel frame's arse in weight and stiffness. I've always liked steel (I'm old-school..) because of the ease of repair, but I bought an alu MTB frame to see how it is and frankly it's quite fine in all ways compared to steel. I think composites have the potential to offer a better ride than more conventional materials because of the construction methods. However, I'm not wild about most current composite frame's durability. My $0.02CDN worth, Scott.. While this is true, I think it should be noted that most alluminum frames (at least alluminum road frames) come with a standardized replaceable rear derailleur hanger. In the even of a right side crash, if the hanger is bent over, just replace it for $10. - Boyd S. |
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You are right, and probably the most expensive ones are the most
unreliable. The cheap, heavy ones, made in aisa are reliable. They are not really that heavy either. They are not spectacular in any way. They are made by the thousands, in a big factory and in only three or four sizes. Not much in terms of craftmaship, detail and uniqueness. However, they'll make a reliable inexpensive bike that can be raceworthy. Andres (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message ... andres- Aluminum frames are fine, and inexpensive too, BRBR Some are and some are outrageously expensive... Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302 (303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene" |
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"Marten Hoffmann" wrote in message
... schreef ... "Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... In article , "swamprun" wrote: Troll Actually, Swampy, not a troll. Jim Flom is a long-time participant in these here newsgroups. Pretty sure he was joking. Bill "or she, I suppose" S. Unfortunately not; this kind of "aluminium bikes are no good" guys are still to be found among bicycle "experts" ;-} I know, but in this case I *think* swamprun was just doing a deadpan reply to the subject ("not a troll" -- "troll"). FWIW, I just bought a Klein Team Q-carbon (aluminum frame w/carbon seat stays), and the ride seems quite smooth to me. I test rode some steel frames (~$1200 range), but the Klein (and an entry-level Lemond titanium, of course) felt much nicer to me. That gives me TWO bikes that don't match their names, BTW: My full-suspension Switchblade says "Titus Titanium" on the badge, but is aluminum; and the Q-carbon (which isn't!)... Bill "throw 'em a curve ball" S. |
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"Lewis Campbell" wrote in message
om... These people who call Cannondale 'crack-n-fail' and all the other silly, nasty, things they say, what do these people think about when they are flying on an airplane????? Um, "where are my dry-roasted nuts?" "Wonder if she's single." "Man, this bathroom stinks!" Bill "and so on" S. |
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Find the size and buy elsewhere..Does the guy even sell aluminum
framesets??If he does and will not sell ya one, that's one thing, but if he doesn't,that's HIS choice.I don't care what people say, they do ride different than other materials...nodoubt.Peter Chisholm Vecchio's I thought you were dropping aol. This is the same guy who hates Campy. Apparently he doesn't sell aluminum, period. He's got every kind of high end bike -- well, no Cannondales or Treks and so forth -- but even though he sells Serotta, apparently he won't sell an alu Serotta (if they still make one). Jim From: |
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
... I think I'm very glad that: (1) passenger planes cost millions of dollars and thus the airline has a vested interest in superb maintenance; and (2) most countries have stringent safety inspection standards for airplances. As far as Crack'n'fail frames go, well, they earned their reputation years ago, and it's hard to live that sort of thing down. Aluminum frames aren't necessarily bad frames, but too many bike design decisions are made in the marketing department, not the engineering department. As an aside, I think it's rather odd that we spend so much time and money researching plane accidents. The number of people dying in plane crashes is so incredibly small. And yet we spend billions on maintenance, investigations etc. Meanwhile, SUV's are rolling over after hitting a pop can killing thousands every year and there's been little legislation about these incidents. I guess it's the horror factor.. Cheers, Scott.. |
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