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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:05:13 +0000, David Hansen
wrote: [---] I am not very popular with many cyclists in this group for stating this view, but I have no great objection to bikes ridden sensibly on the pavement. Riding sensibly means riding at walking pace or below in crowded conditions and some bikes and/or loads are not stable enough at low speed to be ridden sensibly on pavements, in which case they should be pushed. That's the way it works in Germany, where there are some pavements on which cyclists may ride, provided always that they moderate their speed and respect the priority of pedestrians. However, I do point out to advocates of pavement cycling that it is safer and quicker to use the roads in most cases, so pavements are really for short parts of trips, for example getting to/from parking. Also true. |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
In article , Andrew Price wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:05:13 +0000, David Hansen wrote: [---] I am not very popular with many cyclists in this group for stating this view, but I have no great objection to bikes ridden sensibly on the pavement. Riding sensibly means riding at walking pace or below in crowded conditions and some bikes and/or loads are not stable enough at low speed to be ridden sensibly on pavements, in which case they should be pushed. That's the way it works in Germany, where there are some pavements on which cyclists may ride, provided always that they moderate their speed and respect the priority of pedestrians. That's how it should work with shared use pavements in the UK too. The disagreements (in my experience, and generally, not just in this group) are about whether cyclists on pavements or shared use paths are generally dangerous menaces who don't respect the priority of pedestrians or whether the relatively small danger they pose is exaggerated, and whether (non shared use) pavement cyclists who do respect pedestrians are harmlessly breaking a pointless law, or bringing cyclists in general into disrepute as lawbreakers. (My views - those complaining are generally exaggerating the problems that cyclists cause, but it's generally better not to give them another excuse to complain by breaking the law.) |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Clive George wrote:
"JNugent" wrote in message ... Can't you read, or something? Guy says your daughter's injury is ignorable. As far as he's concerned, she doesn't matter. Let that be an end of it. You really talk some utter tripe sometimes. What you've written above is completely untrue. I'm afraid you're wrong. Guy opined that collisions between cyclists and pedestrians on footways are ignorable. Here's what he said: "... perhaps people are so obsessed by pavement cycling that they go out of their way to remember it. "At the public policy level it is ignorable." |
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Cyclist hits granny in pavement crash in Brighton
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:00:05 +0000, Tony Dragon said in : Guy says your daughter's injury is ignorable. As far as he's concerned, she doesn't matter. Let that be an end of it. Oh look, an other lie. What I said was that injuries to pedestrians caused by cyclists are, at a public policy level, ignorable. You might well have said that. But I was referring to this little gem (verbatim quote from you coming up): "... Or perhaps people are so obsessed by pavement cycling that they go out of their way to remember it. "At the public policy level it is ignorable." If (illegal) footway cycling were "ignorable", that could only be because its consequences were ignorable. |
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