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Police to arrest cyclists?
I wonder if the police will arrest cyclists taking part in the Olympic
road race today: =====Selective Quote===== Imposing conditions on public processions. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public procession is being held or is intended to be held and to its route or proposed route, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or [...] he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the procession such conditions as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation, including conditions as to the route of the procession or prohibiting it from entering any public place specified in the directions. =====/Selective Quote===== There is little doubt that the road race will lead to serious disruption to the life of the community. Certainly more so than the CM ride last night. |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
On 28/07/2012 08:43, Bertie Wooster wrote:
I wonder if the police will arrest cyclists taking part in the Olympic road race today: =====Selective Quote===== Imposing conditions on public processions. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public procession is being held or is intended to be held and to its route or proposed route, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or [...] he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the procession such conditions as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation, including conditions as to the route of the procession or prohibiting it from entering any public place specified in the directions. =====/Selective Quote===== There is little doubt that the road race will lead to serious disruption to the life of the community. Certainly more so than the CM ride last night. "may", not "shall". Context is everything. Do you understand how law is framed and interpreted? Ask Lee. He'll enlighten you. Or perhaps not. |
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On Jul 28, 10:13*am, JNugent wrote:
On 28/07/2012 08:43, Bertie Wooster wrote: I wonder if the police will arrest cyclists taking part in the Olympic road race today: =====Selective Quote===== Imposing conditions on public processions. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public procession is being held or is intended to be held and to its route or proposed route, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or [...] he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the procession such conditions as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation, including conditions as to the route of the procession or prohibiting it from entering any public place specified in the directions. =====/Selective Quote===== There is little doubt that the road race will lead to serious disruption to the life of the community. Certainly more so than the CM ride last night. "may", not "shall". Context is everything. Do you understand how law is framed and interpreted? Ask Lee. He'll enlighten you. Or perhaps not. I know you're just being sarcastic, and that you don't think Phil Lee knows anything about the law. This is foolhardy in the extreme as he clearly knows a great deal more than you. It's clear that you think all cyclists are completely incompetent at everything. Why do you think that? I bet you can't provide a convincing answer. Are you angry with Phil Lee for knowing more than you? |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
On 28/07/2012 23:29, M Wicks wrote:
On Jul 28, 10:13 am, JNugent wrote: On 28/07/2012 08:43, Bertie Wooster wrote: I wonder if the police will arrest cyclists taking part in the Olympic road race today: =====Selective Quote===== Imposing conditions on public processions. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public procession is being held or is intended to be held and to its route or proposed route, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or [...] he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the procession such conditions as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation, including conditions as to the route of the procession or prohibiting it from entering any public place specified in the directions. =====/Selective Quote===== There is little doubt that the road race will lead to serious disruption to the life of the community. Certainly more so than the CM ride last night. "may", not "shall". Context is everything. Do you understand how law is framed and interpreted? Ask Lee. He'll enlighten you. Or perhaps not. I know you're just being sarcastic, and that you don't think Phil Lee knows anything about the law. This is foolhardy in the extreme as he clearly knows a great deal more than you. REALLY? Are you absolutely SURE about that? Be wary... It's clear that you think all cyclists are completely incompetent at everything. Wrong. Some cyclists are perfect gentlemen and obey all traffic law as well as the Highway Code. OTOH, some don't (and aren't). Which group are you in? Why do you think that? I bet you can't provide a convincing answer. Are you angry with Phil Lee for knowing more than you? Er... no. See whether you can work out why. |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
On 28/07/2012 21:41, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:07:37 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... Bertie Wooster considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 08:43:47 +0100 the perfect time to write: I wonder if the police will arrest cyclists taking part in the Olympic road race today: =====Selective Quote===== Imposing conditions on public processions. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public procession is being held or is intended to be held and to its route or proposed route, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or Note the first word - IF. As he had no /reasonable/ belief that the procession would cause any trouble, the order was unlawful. Unfortunately it is the senior police officer's opinion which is pertinent here, not yours. Ah yes, never let the facts get in the way when you want to persecute someone. If a senior police officer had the opinion that David Cameron was a terrorist plant, would he make an armed raid on number 10 in the small hours of the morning? Without any grounds for the belief, it is not reasonable. Is there a point to any of that? [Yes] [No] (delete as appropriate) |
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On 28/07/2012 23:29, M Wicks wrote:
On Jul 28, 10:13 am, JNugent wrote: On 28/07/2012 08:43, Bertie Wooster wrote: I wonder if the police will arrest cyclists taking part in the Olympic road race today: =====Selective Quote===== Imposing conditions on public processions. (1)If the senior police officer, having regard to the time or place at which and the circumstances in which any public procession is being held or is intended to be held and to its route or proposed route, reasonably believes that— (a)it may result in serious public disorder, serious damage to property or serious disruption to the life of the community, or [...] he may give directions imposing on the persons organising or taking part in the procession such conditions as appear to him necessary to prevent such disorder, damage, disruption or intimidation, including conditions as to the route of the procession or prohibiting it from entering any public place specified in the directions. =====/Selective Quote===== There is little doubt that the road race will lead to serious disruption to the life of the community. Certainly more so than the CM ride last night. "may", not "shall". Context is everything. Do you understand how law is framed and interpreted? Ask Lee. He'll enlighten you. Or perhaps not. I know you're just being sarcastic, and that you don't think Phil Lee knows anything about the law. This is foolhardy in the extreme as he clearly knows a great deal more than you. It's clear that you think all cyclists are completely incompetent at everything. Why do you think that? I bet you can't provide a convincing answer. Are you angry with Phil Lee for knowing more than you? M'Lud Lee is an even bigger **** than you are. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
On Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT), M Wicks wrote:
snip I know you're just being sarcastic, and that you don't think Phil Lee knows anything about the law. This is foolhardy in the extreme as he clearly knows a great deal more than you. I know that he is an expert on all legal matters. he taught me all of the following: ================================================== ========= If you find 2 abreast cyclists more obstructive than single file ones, you must have been intending to pass dangerously close anyway. If you claim to be held up by a cyclist, you are admitting to dangerous driving, since the only way you could be held up is if your intention was to pass dangerously close. Commenting on a legal gate in a public park: I'd think it comes under the heading of "causing an obstruction", and should be investigated by the police as such. If Traffic Lights are not working, then you can telephone the police for permission to proceed. If this is not forthcoming, then you can reports it as "unlawful detention". The police have clearly not been persuaded by the Law Lords, and still try to treat the procession as unlawful. In this they are now equally clearly in contempt of court. It could usefilly sic be pointed out to motorists that if they are within range of a swung D lock, they are too close, and could be held liable for any collision (including with the D lock). If you are watching your kids in the rear view mirror, you are not driving safely or legally. I would find it very hard to condemn anyone who beat the van driver into permanent inability to drive I hope he hits you next, then we can all have a good laugh. With any luck, you will be a dribbling vegetable in permanent pain afterwards, but will continue your sad existence for many painful decades. If the *******s won't do anything about the taxi driver risking people's lives by dangerous driving, book him to take your kids on a trip, then report him for kiddy-fiddling. He'll never drive a taxi again. |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
Phil W Lee wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:13:47 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:07:37 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... As he had no /reasonable/ belief that the procession would cause any trouble, the order was unlawful. Unfortunately it is the senior police officer's opinion which is pertinent here, not yours. Ah yes, never let the facts get in the way when you want to persecute someone. If a senior police officer had the opinion that David Cameron was a terrorist plant, would he make an armed raid on number 10 in the small hours of the morning? Without any grounds for the belief, it is not reasonable. The accused persons will have the opportunity to make a defence on that basis. The Met will set out the scale of the event they were tasked to protect, the scale of threat to that event, and the disruption already being suffered by the local community. They will present their assessment of the risks presented by an uncontrolled mob invasion of unknown protestors with diverse motives. The court will then decide whether the police commander had any reasonable basis for concern. I think it is inevitable and right that they will find for the Police on this point, but we'll have to wait and see. The police have apparently realised that they can't make any justification for nearly all the arrests, and have released them without charge. The only ones they've charged are those against whom they have some OTHER charge. So all the disruption and nearly all the arrests were, by the polices own admission, unfounded. I hope the IPCC will investigate the senior officer concerned, with a view to prosecution for his instigation of this vendetta. I hope he gets a commendation for lessening the nuisance the cyclists attempted to cause, it would be great if this (arresting and charging of troublemakers) could happen every time cyclorabble get on the streets to try and disrupt other people's lives. |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
On 30/07/2012 17:14, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:13:47 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:07:37 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... As he had no /reasonable/ belief that the procession would cause any trouble, the order was unlawful. Unfortunately it is the senior police officer's opinion which is pertinent here, not yours. Ah yes, never let the facts get in the way when you want to persecute someone. If a senior police officer had the opinion that David Cameron was a terrorist plant, would he make an armed raid on number 10 in the small hours of the morning? Without any grounds for the belief, it is not reasonable. The accused persons will have the opportunity to make a defence on that basis. The Met will set out the scale of the event they were tasked to protect, the scale of threat to that event, and the disruption already being suffered by the local community. They will present their assessment of the risks presented by an uncontrolled mob invasion of unknown protestors with diverse motives. The court will then decide whether the police commander had any reasonable basis for concern. I think it is inevitable and right that they will find for the Police on this point, but we'll have to wait and see. The police have apparently realised that they can't make any justification for nearly all the arrests, and have released them without charge. The only ones they've charged are those against whom they have some OTHER charge. Not very bright are you? If you want to get rid of 180 ****wits who are annoying you, you just nick them. Game over. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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Police to arrest cyclists?
On 31/07/2012 01:38, Phil W Lee wrote:
"Zapp Brannigan" considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:59:48 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... "Zapp Brannigan" considered Sat, 28 Jul 2012 The court will then decide whether the police commander had any reasonable basis for concern. I think it is inevitable and right that they will find for the Police on this point, but we'll have to wait and see. The police have apparently realised that they can't make any justification for nearly all the arrests, and have released them without charge. Bailing a suspect does not in any way signify that they are innocent. Quite the opposite, it means there are still alleged offences under investigation. Even murder suspects have a (rebuttable) entitlement to bail, as a moment on google will show. But perhaps no charges will be brought in the end, after all they've had a useful educational experience and their DNA etc is now on record to deter future misconduct. It's a win-win scenario for the Babylon (and a terrible own goal by the fanatics who tried to disrupt our Olympic opening ceremony). The only disruption was caused by the police, so we seem to be in agreement that an own goal by them is the best outcome. The disruption was clearly caused by cyclist scum who think they are above the law. I also hope that the criminals responsible will have their DNA recorded, and that there will not be any further misconduct. But on past records, I doubt it. Agreed, the cyclist scum should all be arrested IMO. We need some kind of organisation dedicated to enforcement of the law, that could keep some kind of control over lawless armed thugs roaming the streets in gang colours and conducting vendettas against anyone they don't like. We already do. They are called Policemen. The lawless thugs in lycra gang colours who hate motorists should be controlled. We used to have one called the police, but the name has now been tarnished. The name has only been tarnished by ****wits like you who think they are above the law. Interesting how we have a group of people who think they can do what the **** they like - riot, jump lights, ignore traffic signs, ride on pavements, ignore speed limits - who don't like Policemen - they are called cyclists. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their lives, certainly on a regular basis." |
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