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Heh. I just received an email from Performance requesting a number fo th issuing bank, which in this case is the CBA. Unfortunately I can't fin th merchant enquiry number on their web site. If anyone knows it it'l save m some time, otherwise I'll have to try to get it from the bank myself In the meantime I got a confirmation email that the CBA has received m complaint. It says I can expect "a response" within 4 days. I wonde wha their excuse will be and how much they'll put their fees up for no providing a necessary service yet again - A: Top-posters Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? The other trick to dealing with Performance is to always use a 'coupon code which gives you extra discount (on the goods but not on the freigh charges). If you are going to do the internet thing, you might as wel get best value. This applies to other US net bikes stores as well. Google will usually find the codes and there are also sites tha specialise in discount coupon codes, eg http://www.edealinfo.com/Coupons/performancebike.shtml. Somewhere in the ordering process you will be asked for the code. If i is accepted it shows up in the total charge at the end. Current code fo Performance is 6000387 which gives you 20% off orders of US$50 or more. Makes the trinkets you can't get in Australia a little bit cheaper Steve -- SteveA |
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Steve, I am considering buying an Ultegra Triple Crankset and BB for my Felt what freight method do you use from performance? In the past I have used USPS Ordinary Air Mail from Harris Cyclery, bu their Ultegra prices are way too dear. Also in Perth, I choose the Train/Bus/Walk this morning, too cold an wet for me to bike to swimming... cheers Georg -- gclark8 |
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DRS Wrote:[color=blue] "mfhor" wrote in message [...] You're being ridiculous again. Yes, well ridiculous is in the eye of the anal-retentive beholder wh whinges that his master-of-the-universe credit card facility has faile him in the all-important quest for reducing the number of self-induce technical anomalies/discrepancies/unpleasantnesses in his microscopi cycling universe. Not at all. I just hate being stuffed around. And since I'm bein stuffed around by bike shops it's a legitimate topic of discussion in here. You don't like it, don't read it. Yes, well that's actually the point, isn't it? You go into transaction expecting to be stuffed around, and sure enough, if you ar attached to an outcome (either negatively or positively) it comes about Don't tell me what to read or not to read. I'm just pointing out tha you sound slightly like a spoilt child at your inability to get exactl what you want, even with all of the might, majesty and power of th International Financial System at your disposal. (That 'ridiculous enough for you? ) I'm not after information, I'm after specific items no Australia vendor with an online presence is making available (there was only on Performance brand item in my list). Do you carry what I want? I have no idea. And even if I was able to buy them here there would be no "pleasurable and interesting" interaction between myself and the merchant, it'd take m just long enough to walk in, grab what I wanted, pay for them and leave. There's no added value here, just a commodity transaction. Yeah, why do you want it, anyway? Everything cycling is social, fella even (negatively) your arid hard currency transaction model. Are yo going to brag to your mates about it when you've got it? Then it's status symbol as well as a functional item = a social signifier conversation starter, what you will. The marketing at the front end that just disguises what the things you've bought are about. Only t the most shallow are they trophies to be displayed, tokens to b accumulated. If you are a real cyclist, you buy the best you ca afford, use it until it wears out, and buy another, and keep on riding You don't endlessly obsess that someone else has got the drop on you b having something a bit lighter, newer, more aero or shinier than you Are you trying to shave seconds off your time to keep your pr contract? Well then, why are you worrying about the unobtanium at th other side of the world? I'm the first to admit that the Oz bike industry is parochial an small, and that sometimes really IMPORTANT items are availabl overseas/mailorder for a much better price, but why get in a tizz abou those that purport to provide a service at a distance and then fail to due to procedural difficulties? Aren't you doing exactly the same thin as you once did about LBSs? Sounds like you're more into smooth and seamless procedure-followin than actually getting onto a bike and riding it, to me. Sounds like yo have chosen cycling as a small and limited field, in which you can b safely obsessed about the shortcomings of everyone involved, rathe than getting on with what it's all about. As Jack Nicholson's character said in the film version of the eponymou film "Hey people, this might be As Good As It Gets" Don't make me star calling you Melvin. Is there a local alternative to the "Winwood Instep Peda Insert--Shimano SPD"? I don't think so. If there is then it's a well kept secret an I'm not interested in stuffing around. Sheesh. What a load of consumers. Welcome to John Howard's globalised free trade agreement Australia. Somewhere where you seem to be right at home. A living embodiment o the maxim that conservatives are basically afraid of anything unknown and attempt to control it at every possible opportunity. "If I can' rely on my Dura-Ace/Record/XTR bike, what can I rely on?" Have a nice grizzle. M "Tries to get the wind in his hair whenever possible" H -- mfhor |
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suzyj Wrote: I think for me it's about value. If the local bike shops (and yes, have bought a significant amount of stuff from my local bike shops ove the years) add value to my purchase, whether by having the item I wan when I want it, or else by offering advice, or having a range of item that I can look at in person and choose from, then I'll buy locally. I appreciate that a lot of bike shops seem to be bland and uninvolved and just seem to want to push immediately available product on th unsuspecting consumer, if they can get away with it. It's a bit of lottery, isn't it, what your LBS is like? But I think it's a bit of modern disease - not being able to form an habitual and mutually value relationship (where the root of 'customer' - e.g. "It is my custom to g to MH, esq., Purveyor of Fine Cycle Parts to the Gentry" - comes from with someone who has got an account with a local wholesaler and wh won't load up the margin just because they saw you coming. Also, think it's a cranial cringe on the part of many LBS owners who ar ****-scared of not being able to pay the rent this month and so jus concentrate on pushing bread-and-butter, and not encouraging thei employees to think beyond the current product catalogue and wholesale specials list. Having been 2IC at a number of shops (in between mor spiritually fulfilling pursuits ), I've left most of them over wha I saw as the inability of the owner to get their head around the bi picture of building a reputation on REAL customer service, not jus hot-air customer charters, service plans, incentive schemes, etc Unwillingness to stock or source parts they are unfamiliar with, et c Charging rascally prices when they can be bothered. However it's not often the case (especially more recently) that a loca shop will have what I want. I don't particularly care for Shiman mountain bike parts, so when I do buy locally, it invariably means don't get to see what I'm buying, have to wait for it to arrive, an then pay a premium for the "local" service. Not to mention all t often being treated like an idiot by some pimply teenage kid, simpl because of my gender. I know that people with two X chromosomes often have a hard time whe cranially underdeveloped XY bike shop droids talk down to them especially to someone so far up the right end of the bell curve as you SuzyJ. Your interests specialise, and you have to search more widel to find the stuff you're after - an universal rule, ce n'est pas Sheldon and his urbane East Coast colleagues aren't as afraid of wome cyclists (and framebuilders, to boot) as gnarly dude downhillers are Well, at least they hide it better At least buying on the net in such circumstances, I get to save little money, and I find (gross generalisation here) that the advice get from online shops, like Sheldon, Peter, and John, is much bette than the advice that I'd get from the LBS. The ultimate example of this sort of thing is framebuilding stuff. Once (quite a few years ago) I rang the local agents for Reynold tubing, to ask if they could sent me a catalogue, so that I could bu some frame tubes through them. They refused my request, saying tha they only deal with professional framebuilders. I gave up on the ide of building a bike frame then, and it was only much more recently (onl after finding the Ceeway site on the web) that my interest wa rekindled. My attitude now is that if the local guy can't (or won't give me what I want, then stuff them, it's a big world, and there' always someone who can. Yes, and I have no hesitation in saying, in a public forum for all t hear, that BRITISH INTERNATIONAL TRADING are as hard to deal with on wholesale level as any company in the industry. No wonder you don't se many British cycle parts here (*sob*, as ancestral ties are severed) Again, I intuit that this and other examples are largely down to th parochial, mentally sclerotic nature of the traditional sectors of th local bike industry, as it is still habitually (mis-) manged by guys who see themselves as hard-nut ex-roadies, and who don't see themselves as having the control issues that are blatantly obvious to most. There are several notable exceptions to this gross, and broad generalisation. I think, and it is changing, that the general attitude in Oz has always been a massive cultural cringe to anything beyond a couple of standard deviations from the mean. As cyclists, we are few in number, hence, in the general viewpoint, and pardoning the pun, cranks. This, combined with the relentless auto industry and passive leisure industry propaganda that bombards us from all sides, makes the bike industry grow small and wizened and keeps it deprived of the consumer dollars that might fertilise it and make it grow. So, to some extent I sympathise with expanding the 'net' to catch the fish you want. But having a local presence, whether it's bikes outside coffee shops, regular bunch rides (CM, Hell Ride, GVBR, whatever) or well-disposed people selling a good (not necessarily the latest from the States) product they know that works with the knowledge to back it up is very important to get more people on bikes, with more muscle (!) to make political and social change come about so we can all ride safely as fast and as far as we want, on the terrain that we like. Cybersourcing by the trendsetters and influence-peddlers (which is what most of us here are in their own little cycling worlds) is just going to deprive the local scene of life in the form of cashflow. Sure, give the shonks the arse, but Buy Australian operates on a retail as well as a manufacturing level. And then I can afford to keep up the ISP account so I can harangue y'all with my particularly slanted views on what life on two wheels is like in this little corner of the cosmos. Spare a penny for the poor RSI-afflicted wheel builder, miss . . . ? Regards, Suzy M "likes nice bits as much as the next gear freak, and supports his habit by becoming a pusher, which is perhaps morally reprehensible and financially irresponsible, but can justify it if he's got half an hour and an open net connection, and thinks being slightly stood over by the local mafia is preferable to being controlled by some mob from the US" H -- mfhor |
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"mfhor" wrote in message
DRS Wrote: "mfhor" wrote in message [...] Not at all. I just hate being stuffed around. And since I'm being stuffed around by bike shops it's a legitimate topic of discussion in here. You don't like it, don't read it. Yes, well that's actually the point, isn't it? You go into a transaction expecting to be stuffed around, No, I didn't, although it's increasingly becoming the case and it's always from bike shops. and sure enough, if you are attached to an outcome (either negatively or positively) it comes about. Don't tell me what to read or not to read. I'm just pointing out that you sound slightly like a spoilt child at your inability to get exactly what you want, even with all of the might, majesty and power of the International Financial System at your disposal. (That 'ridiculous' enough for you? ) Oh, it's ridiculous all right. Expecting to be able to buy something from a vendor without being stuffed around is not spoilt in the slightest. [...] There's no added value here, just a commodity transaction. Yeah, why do you want it, anyway? To put on my bike. Everything cycling is social, fella, Er, no. [...] accumulated. If you are a real cyclist, you buy the best you can afford, use it until it wears out, and buy another, and keep on riding. You don't endlessly obsess that someone else has got the drop on you by having something a bit lighter, newer, more aero or shinier than you. Are you trying to shave seconds off your time to keep your pro contract? You're full of ****. I buy what I please for my bike and I don't have to justify it to anyone. Well then, why are you worrying about the unobtanium at the other side of the world? Because no Australian vendor has what I want available online. I've already said that but you're just ignoring anything people say which doesn't fit your rant. [...] Sounds like you're more into smooth and seamless procedure-following than actually getting onto a bike and riding it, to me. Sounds like you have chosen cycling as a small and limited field, in which you can be safely obsessed about the shortcomings of everyone involved, rather than getting on with what it's all about. Seems to me you're a moron without a clue. I'm trying to buy bike stuff to improve my cycling experience. [...] Is there a local alternative to the "Winwood Instep Pedal Insert--Shimano SPD"? I don't think so. If there is then it's a well kept secret and I'm not interested in stuffing around. Now this is the really important bit and because you're fundamentally dishonest you've ignored it completely. This is the most important item in my current list and no Australian vendor has it available online. My LBS doesn't have it either. I'm certainly not going to not buy from overseas just to please the likes of you. Sheesh. What a load of consumers. Welcome to John Howard's globalised free trade agreement Australia. Somewhere where you seem to be right at home. A living embodiment of the maxim that conservatives are basically afraid of anything unknown, and attempt to control it at every possible opportunity. "If I can't rely on my Dura-Ace/Record/XTR bike, what can I rely on?" I'm not the conservative here, you are. You're the one who is afraid of the future, who is afraid of change. Have a nice grizzle. You truly are an idiot. It's rare to come across anyone as fundamentally stupid as you. You've worked yourself up over a whole bunch of bad assumptions, launched into a tirade about **** all and ignored every point of substance. You deserve to go out of business with your attitude towards customers. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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DRS Wrote: "mfhor" wrote in message DRS Wrote: "mfhor" wrote in message [...] Not at all. I just hate being stuffed around. And since I'm being stuffed around by bike shops it's a legitimate topic of discussion in here. You don't like it, don't read it. Yes, well that's actually the point, isn't it? You go into a transaction expecting to be stuffed around, No, I didn't, although it's increasingly becoming the case and it's always from bike shops. and sure enough, if you are attached to an outcome (either negatively or positively) it comes about. Don't tell me what to read or not to read. I'm just pointing out that you sound slightly like a spoilt child at your inability to get exactly what you want, even with all of the might, majesty and power of the International Financial System at your disposal. (That 'ridiculous' enough for you? ) Oh, it's ridiculous all right. Expecting to be able to buy something from a vendor without being stuffed around is not spoilt in the slightest. [...] There's no added value here, just a commodity transaction. Yeah, why do you want it, anyway? To put on my bike. Everything cycling is social, fella, Er, no. [...] accumulated. If you are a real cyclist, you buy the best you can afford, use it until it wears out, and buy another, and keep on riding. You don't endlessly obsess that someone else has got the drop on you by having something a bit lighter, newer, more aero or shinier than you. Are you trying to shave seconds off your time to keep your pro contract? You're full of ****. I buy what I please for my bike and I don't have to justify it to anyone. Well then, why are you worrying about the unobtanium at the other side of the world? Because no Australian vendor has what I want available online. I've already said that but you're just ignoring anything people say which doesn't fit your rant. [...] Sounds like you're more into smooth and seamless procedure-following than actually getting onto a bike and riding it, to me. Sounds like you have chosen cycling as a small and limited field, in which you can be safely obsessed about the shortcomings of everyone involved, rather than getting on with what it's all about. Seems to me you're a moron without a clue. I'm trying to buy bike stuff to improve my cycling experience. [...] Is there a local alternative to the "Winwood Instep Pedal Insert--Shimano SPD"? I don't think so. If there is then it's a well kept secret and I'm not interested in stuffing around. Now this is the really important bit and because you're fundamentally dishonest you've ignored it completely. This is the most important item in my current list and no Australian vendor has it available online. My LBS doesn't have it either. I'm certainly not going to not buy from overseas just to please the likes of you. Sheesh. What a load of consumers. Welcome to John Howard's globalised free trade agreement Australia. Somewhere where you seem to be right at home. A living embodiment of the maxim that conservatives are basically afraid of anything unknown, and attempt to control it at every possible opportunity. "If I can't rely on my Dura-Ace/Record/XTR bike, what can I rely on?" I'm not the conservative here, you are. You're the one who is afraid of the future, who is afraid of change. Have a nice grizzle. You truly are an idiot. It's rare to come across anyone as fundamentally stupid as you. You've worked yourself up over a whole bunch of bad assumptions, launched into a tirade about **** all and ignored every point of substance. You deserve to go out of business with your attitude towards customers. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? aaaaah. DRS is nothing but entertaining! mfhor 'fundamentally dishonest'. "Seems to me you're a moron without a clue. I'm trying to buy bike stuff to improve my cycling experience." Wanna improve your 'experience' ??? Simple. Get some, DRS. Ride more. rant/abuse less oh, and which of your posts are OT??? approx 90+% Look out people. DRS might actually make it south of Moorabbin one day... And why am I turning on you DRS? simple. turning on mfhor is waaaaaay out of line and you are the last to talk in this regard. he has added more value to this forum in the short time he has been here than you have. ever! -- flyingdutch |
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"flyingdutch" wrote
in message [...] aaaaah. DRS is nothing but entertaining! mfhor 'fundamentally dishonest'. Yes, he is. "Seems to me you're a moron without a clue. I'm trying to buy bike stuff to improve my cycling experience." Wanna improve your 'experience' ??? Simple. Get some, DRS. Ride more. rant/abuse less oh, and which of your posts are OT??? approx 90+% Bull****. You clearly have no idea what off-topic means. Look out people. DRS might actually make it south of Moorabbin one day... And why am I turning on you DRS? simple. turning on mfhor is waaaaaay out of line Oh, no it isn't. He's trying to make out I'm some sort of poser who's helping destroy the local cycling industry by buying bits from OS and he's full of ****. He did nothing but have a go at me on grounds he made up out of thin air and he can shove his bull**** where the sun doesn't shine. and you are the last to talk in this regard. he has added more value to this forum in the short time he has been here than you have. ever! **** you too. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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"DRS" wrote in message
[...] In the meantime I got a confirmation email that the CBA has received my complaint. It says I can expect "a response" within 4 days. I wonder what their excuse will be and how much they'll put their fees up for not providing a necessary service yet again? I just got this responce from the CBA: "however for a solution to this problem, you are able to give the overseas vendors our email address and we are more than happy to confirm any of the details required. The email address is and a response will be given within 48 hours of receipt of the email." A 48 hour turnaround by email!!! How pathetic. We're in the 21st century, people. It should be automated and painless. It'll be interesting to see what Performance make of it. -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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Sounds good. I approve. But eh i am still dubious about how to get good deal DRS Wrote: "DRS" wrote in messag [... In the meantime I got a confirmation email that the CBA has receive my complaint. It says I can expect "a response" within 4 days. wonder what their excuse will be and how much they'll put their fee up for not providing a necessary service yet again I just got this responce from the CBA "however for a solution to this problem, you are able to give th oversea vendors our email address and we are more than happy to confirm any o th details required The email address is and a response will be give within 48 hours of receipt of the email. A 48 hour turnaround by email!!! How pathetic. We're in the 21s century people. It should be automated and painless It'll be interesting to see what Performance make of it - A: Top-posters Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet -- nyhsu |
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DRS Wrote: Bull****. You clearly have no idea what off-topic means. silly me. every thread IS about top-posting... DRS Wrote: Oh, no it isn't. He's trying to make out I'm some sort of poser who's helping destroy the local cycling industry by buying bits from OS an he's full of ****. He did nothing but have a go at me on grounds he made u out of thin air and he can shove his bull**** where the sun doesn't shine. No. He's saying youre whineing cos you are expecting concierge-lik service for margin-cut priceing thru an obviously automated 'cart system. Get what you pay for, 'n'all that... DRS Wrote: and you are the last to talk in this regard. he has added more value to this forum in the short time he has been here than you have. ever! **** you too. no thanks .wouldnt be seen dead riding with a weedy little guy on hybrid along StK, etc bike trying to compensate for his lack o personality and social skills. wasnt telling you to go procreate. jus stating facts. if you could turn your dial away from th 'auto-argument' setting you might get along with people.. -- flyingdutch |
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