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Making America into Amsterdam
Interesting article, with data, about how much the Dutch actually ride
their bikes. https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/best...h-hardly-bike/ Turns out they average, oh, maybe a mile or two per day. That works for them because their cities are so dense that many destinations are less than a mile away. That comes from having cities that were founded in medieval times. When things are more than a couple miles away, they tend to leave the bike and use other modes. So we can get Dutch bike mode shares if we start work on our cities early enough. Like, back in 1400 AD or so. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:57:17 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Interesting article, with data, about how much the Dutch actually ride their bikes. https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/best...h-hardly-bike/ Turns out they average, oh, maybe a mile or two per day. That works for them because their cities are so dense that many destinations are less than a mile away. That comes from having cities that were founded in medieval times. When things are more than a couple miles away, they tend to leave the bike and use other modes. So we can get Dutch bike mode shares if we start work on our cities early enough. Like, back in 1400 AD or so. Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. -- Jay Beattie. |
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jbeattie wrote:
Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Are there stats, like a list, so one can compare countries and cities? -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 6/26/2018 2:14 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
jbeattie wrote: Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Are there stats, like a list, so one can compare countries and cities? I generally start with a search at google.com Or perhaps www.duckduckgo.com if you value your privacy. You can try typing "bicycle mode share" in the search box. Or type some other phrase is it sounds interesting to you. Here's one result: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
Here's one result: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share My city (Uppsala) isn't on the list but it is comparable to Malmö which seems to have pretty good data (25% cycling). Actually I think there are even more bikes in Uppsala because it is a University town as well. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 6/26/2018 11:04 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Of course the statistic that was quoted is not true, but no surprise there! https://www.statista.com/statistics/620201/average-biking-distance-per-person-per-day-netherlands-by-age/ There are four things that need to be necessary to increase bike share in the U.S., and they all need to be present at the same time. You can't do one and proclaim that it's hopeless. 1. Separated bicycle infrastructure that goes between housing centers and job centers. 2. Security so there is no danger of theft or vandalism. 3. Financial or other encouragement 4. Shower facilities. I recently did a bicycle/train combination trip to San Francisco for a meeting. The meeting was at the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, which you would think would be very pro-bicycle. In fact they just talk the talk. Two of us were ready to leave and not attend the meeting because of a lack of secure parking, which is vitally important in San Francisco. When I told one of the check-in people that I was turning in my badge and leaving she suddenly decided that we were worthy of the lovely, two-level, indoor bicycle parking room. |
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On 2018-06-26 13:19, sms wrote:
On 6/26/2018 11:04 AM, jbeattie wrote: Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Of course the statistic that was quoted is not true, but no surprise there! https://www.statista.com/statistics/620201/average-biking-distance-per-person-per-day-netherlands-by-age/ There are four things that need to be necessary to increase bike share in the U.S., and they all need to be present at the same time. You can't do one and proclaim that it's hopeless. 1. Separated bicycle infrastructure that goes between housing centers and job centers. 2. Security so there is no danger of theft or vandalism. 3. Financial or other encouragement 4. Shower facilities. 5. Brewpub along the bike trail for the way home. I recently did a bicycle/train combination trip to San Francisco for a meeting. The meeting was at the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, which you would think would be very pro-bicycle. In fact they just talk the talk. Two of us were ready to leave and not attend the meeting because of a lack of secure parking, which is vitally important in San Francisco. When I told one of the check-in people that I was turning in my badge and leaving she suddenly decided that we were worthy of the lovely, two-level, indoor bicycle parking room. That is also a major problem at large shopping areas. It is the reason why I shop less at Walmart, they don't let me take in the bike. I shop a lot more at Lowe's and Trader Joe's because they are smart enough to let me take the bike in. Of course, I make sure not to show up with my MTB dripping mud. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 6/26/2018 2:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:57:17 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Interesting article, with data, about how much the Dutch actually ride their bikes. https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/best...h-hardly-bike/ Turns out they average, oh, maybe a mile or two per day. That works for them because their cities are so dense that many destinations are less than a mile away. That comes from having cities that were founded in medieval times. When things are more than a couple miles away, they tend to leave the bike and use other modes. So we can get Dutch bike mode shares if we start work on our cities early enough. Like, back in 1400 AD or so. Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Indeed, there are many other differences. And a look at the cities listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share shows that any city over 7% is an extreme outlier. I notice, though, that it lists Portland as just 3%. I don't know the details on that survey, but IIRC the one that claimed 7% for Portland really meant 7% of the city's legal residents said they traveled by bike. That does not mean that 7% of the travel within city limits was by bike. The hoards entering from the suburbs are almost all in cars. Differences? We've been through this before, but I do think average trip length must be important, along with terrain, weather, history, culture and perhaps most important, local fashion. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 6/26/2018 3:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/26/2018 2:04 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:57:17 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Interesting article, with data, about how much the Dutch actually ride their bikes. https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/best...h-hardly-bike/ Turns out they average, oh, maybe a mile or two per day. That works for them because their cities are so dense that many destinations are less than a mile away. That comes from having cities that were founded in medieval times. When things are more than a couple miles away, they tend to leave the bike and use other modes. So we can get Dutch bike mode shares if we start work on our cities early enough. Like, back in 1400 AD or so. Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Indeed, there are many other differences. And a look at the cities listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share shows that any city over 7% is an extreme outlier. I notice, though, that it lists Portland as just 3%. I don't know the details on that survey, but IIRC the one that claimed 7% for Portland really meant 7% of the city's legal residents said they traveled by bike. That does not mean that 7% of the travel within city limits was by bike. The hoards entering from the suburbs are almost all in cars. Differences? We've been through this before, but I do think average trip length must be important, along with terrain, weather, history, culture and perhaps most important, local fashion. Probably just needs more friendly kiddie paths: https://host.madison.com/wsj/news/lo...7b5df427c.html -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 1:48:18 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/26/2018 2:04 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, June 26, 2018 at 8:57:17 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Interesting article, with data, about how much the Dutch actually ride their bikes. https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/best...h-hardly-bike/ Turns out they average, oh, maybe a mile or two per day. That works for them because their cities are so dense that many destinations are less than a mile away. That comes from having cities that were founded in medieval times. When things are more than a couple miles away, they tend to leave the bike and use other modes. So we can get Dutch bike mode shares if we start work on our cities early enough. Like, back in 1400 AD or so. Or the 1960s, as in NL. 25% mode share at five miles is great -- even at 9-12 miles, the percentage of trips by bike is way better than any US city. Portland's city-wide bicycle mode share is 7% -- for all trips. City density does not explain the relative lack of cyclists in NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. -- and other places that are flat and that have compact metropolitan areas. There are many other differences. Indeed, there are many other differences. And a look at the cities listed at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_share shows that any city over 7% is an extreme outlier. I notice, though, that it lists Portland as just 3%. I don't know the details on that survey, but IIRC the one that claimed 7% for Portland really meant 7% of the city's legal residents said they traveled by bike. That does not mean that 7% of the travel within city limits was by bike. The hoards entering from the suburbs are almost all in cars. Differences? We've been through this before, but I do think average trip length must be important, along with terrain, weather, history, culture and perhaps most important, local fashion. Portland claims 7% of trips in the city are by bike, at least that's how I understand the stat -- it is mode share. That number is zero in places and over 20% in places, and those high percentage places are exactly what you would expect -- flat, high density, close-in and very Bohemian with (believe it or not) modest bike facilities, mostly bike lanes and some traffic calmed streets. -- Jay Beattie. |
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