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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses
turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...leared-assault The report in the standard has a slightly different slant http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ard-readers.do the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. 75% of the comments support the cyclist. Apparently the taxi-driver's witness was another taxi-driver and was out of the country. What a coincidence. |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. And let's remember this pearl too:- "The CPS rarely prosecute unless the chances of a conviction are very high indeed. What I reckon happened is that this lycra lout picked a fight with the wrong bloke & came off worse. Now he is whinging like a baby and telling lies to gain sympathy from the cyclist ****** community. I hope he gets a few years behind bars for assaulting an innocent taxi driver. Might be a lesson to the other cyclist scum." |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. And remember JNugent:- "Something you are likely to hear at some time on any given morning at your local Mags' Court: "I'm not guilty, guv, it was all the other bloke's fault, honest, on my granny's eyes". "Someone out there must have seen something"? Well, quite. That appears to be this chap's problem. Advertising on the internet for a "witness" is more likely to devalue his defence than strengthen it. It's obvious. Let's see who the court believes." Well, well. |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. And you treated the earlier request for witnesses thus:- "I believe this is one of those attempts to see what memories can be triggered of a non existent event." |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 6 Oct, 09:24, Squashme wrote:
On 6 Oct, 08:30, "Mrcheerful" wrote: the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. And remember JNugent:- "Something you are likely to hear at some time on any given morning at your local Mags' Court: "I'm not guilty, guv, it was all the other bloke's fault, honest, on my granny's eyes". "Someone out there must have seen something"? Well, quite. That appears to be this chap's problem. Advertising on the internet for a "witness" is more likely to devalue his defence than strengthen it. It's obvious. Let's see who the court believes." Well, well. The scary thing is that they all can vote and sit on juries! -- Simon Mason |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 06/10/2010 08:30, Mrcheerful wrote:
the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...leared-assault The report in the standard has a slightly different slant http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ard-readers.do the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. QUOTE: As reported on road.cc in June, Jared Kelly, aged 39, issued an appeal via the London Cyclist blog for witnesses to the incident, which took place in March this year on London’s Oxford Street, to help him in his defence. Word of his predicament quickly spread via cycling websites and Twitter, and was also picked up by the Evening Standard. [ ... ] According to one eyewitness, it had been Mr Kelly who had attacked the cab driver, but that witness was unable to attend the hearing at South Western Magistrates’ Court due to being out of the country, and attempts by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to have the case adjourned were rejected. [That is hugely important.] Instead, the Evening Standard reports, Mr Kelly produced two witnesses, Lee Sattaur, manager at H&M in Oxford Street and Matthew Gowan, a student at Westminster University, who supported his version of events, who were described as “Good Samaritans" for having stepped forward. ENDQUOTE Just *imagine* the outcry there would have been from the usual suspects if tht had been reversed and it had been the driver up on the assault charge. Just think of a situation where the only witness known of (who supported the "victim" cyclist) was unavailable, but the case went ahead anyway and magically, after an appeal in the cab trade press made by the defendant seeking "witnesses", two cab-drivers turned up to say that it was all the cyclist's fault. |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 6 Oct, 10:52, JNugent wrote:
On 06/10/2010 08:30, Mrcheerful wrote: the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slant http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. QUOTE: As reported on road.cc in June, Jared Kelly, aged 39, issued an appeal via the London Cyclist blog for witnesses to the incident, which took place in March this year on London’s Oxford Street, to help him in his defence. Word of his predicament quickly spread via cycling websites and Twitter, and was also picked up by the Evening Standard. [ ... ] According to one eyewitness, it had been Mr Kelly who had attacked the cab driver, but that witness was unable to attend the hearing at South Western Magistrates’ Court due to being out of the country, and attempts by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to have the case adjourned were rejected. [That is hugely important.] Instead, the Evening Standard reports, Mr Kelly produced two witnesses, Lee Sattaur, manager at H&M in Oxford Street and Matthew Gowan, a student at Westminster University, who supported his version of events, who were described as “Good Samaritans" for having stepped forward. ENDQUOTE Just *imagine* the outcry there would have been from the usual suspects if tht had been reversed and it had been the driver up on the assault charge.. Just think of a situation where the only witness known of (who supported the "victim" cyclist) was unavailable, but the case went ahead anyway and magically, after an appeal in the cab trade press made by the defendant seeking "witnesses", two cab-drivers turned up to say that it was all the cyclist's fault. No. Let's just see what has really happened, instead of your usual biased swerving. You got fooled. You, the Met, the CPS, Medway, Mrcheerful and all. |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 06/10/2010 09:24, Squashme wrote:
On 6 Oct, 08:30, wrote: the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. And remember JNugent:- "Something you are likely to hear at some time on any given morning at your local Mags' Court: "I'm not guilty, guv, it was all the other bloke's fault, honest, on my granny's eyes". "Someone out there must have seen something"? Well, quite. That appears to be this chap's problem. Advertising on the internet for a "witness" is more likely to devalue his defence than strengthen it. It's obvious. Let's see who the court believes." Well, well. Indeed. I am surprised - and not a little dismayed - by that verdict. Perhaps there's something the CPS can do about it. Let's hope so. Failing to adjourn a case when the only *known* witness is going to be available (but not on that particular day*) and when the "witnesses" for the other side have only been produced via a public appeal seems like material for a setting-aside (igf that's possible in a criminal case). [*The quickest way to prevent witnesses coming forward in any case would be to ban them from taking holidays until the case has been heard.] |
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Oxford St.Cyclist V. cabbie in court, the final result
On 06/10/2010 09:28, Squashme wrote:
On 6 Oct, 08:30, wrote: the taxi drivers witness was out of the country, but the cyclist's witnesses turned up, the taxi driver (on his own) was not found to be credible. http://road.cc/content/news/25146-lo...led-taxi-drive... The report in the standard has a slightly different slanthttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23884814-cyclist-is-cl... the comments after it are telling: people are p@@@d off with cyclists in London. And you treated the earlier request for witnesses thus:- "I believe this is one of those attempts to see what memories can be triggered of a non existent event." Is there anything to suggest that that was wrong? |
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