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Tuschinski wrote:
To Pete: Compare a Trek 600 city bike against the bents you mention. Bent vs. uprights is always apples and oranges, but at least compare racing models or commuter models, dont mix and match. Though my point was "Buy an M5, they're fast" is giving someone a mixed crate of apples and opranges and saying "this fruit is juicier than those pears"! "M5" as a collective brand /is/ mix and match (as is Optima, Challenge, HP vel, Nazca etc. etc.) Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Gary wrote: I also have a couple of uprights and they are comfortable for the first few minutes and then I can't stand to ride them. My recumbents are definately more comfortable. Not only that but, I don't have to worry about my prostate like I would on an upright. I know that there are riders out there that have ridden uprights all of there lives and never had a problem just like there are people that have smoked all of their lives and never had a problem but, why take the chance? Gary Here we go.....riding an upright is like smoking and also causes cancer......I'm out Peter Clinch wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: I always read 'bent threads because I can always count on the last statement.....uprights by definition, are not 'uncomfortable' and the older you get(I'm 55), it is not automatically important that you get a 'bent....My upright is comfy, I see no need to get a bent because of my upright's comfort or my age... While I have several upright bikes that I ride happily in comfort, the simple fact of the matter is my 'bent is considerably /more/ comfortable. While I do not *need* that level of comfort, it is certainly something I greatly appreciate when covering any sort of distance. Given the choice of something quite comfortable or extremely comfortable, assuming both will otherwise do the jobs I need and I can afford my preference, I see no reason to put up with 2nd best when it makes a difference to my overall enjoyment of touring. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Edward Dolan wrote: "Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message oups.com... Edward Dolan wrote: "NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... [...] * Speed sucks!!! I'm over 5 mph slower than my upright! This is definitely the case. With a change of tires and more developed 'bent-muscles that might narrow a mile or two, but unfortunately I'll always be far slower than on an upright. Sigh! You will always be somewhat slower on a recumbent than you will be on an upright, all things being equal. However, some recumbent riders actually do get faster than they ever were on their uprights, but that is because they ride their recumbents more and hence get stronger. But overall it is more work to go fast on a recumbent, especially uphill. For many years when I wanted a good workout I would ride my upright in preference to my recumbent, but eventually I settled on the recumbent as it was just more enjoyable to ride. [...] * A real work-out! I still haven't met a hill I can't yet climb on the 'bent, but I am definitely breathing harder -- and I'm a B-grade athelete! I enjoy the work-out, but it's rather embarrassing huffing and puffing, giving a less-than-stellar impression of the 'bent. You will be much slower going uphill on a recumbent. I have known several guys who gave up on recumbents for precisely that one reason. I would rather be slow and comfortable than fast and uncomfortable. The older you get, the more important this becomes. I always read 'bent threads because I can always count on the last statement.....uprights by definition, are not 'uncomfortable' and the older you get(I'm 55), it is not automatically important that you get a 'bent....My upright is comfy, I see no need to get a bent because of my upright's comfort or my age... Ride your upright for about 8 hours a day for an entire week and then get back to me on the comfort issue. Silly point...how many people ride 40 hrs per week? I can ride for 4 hours, easily, many timer per week...and it is NOT uncomfortable..riding any more isn't a comfort issue but cycling stength issue, I'm just not strong enough to ride 40 hrs per week, being on a 'bent' wouldn't change that, still gotta pedal the thing. But if like yer bent, groovey, I would rather walk than ride one. I broke my back 4 years ago-L1, L3, C-5, after getting hit by a pickup from behind, while riding...and my quack mentioned it might be a 'bent only for me...I said then, I'll walk, thanks...but I can ride my upright w/o any problem or issues... Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Qui si Parla,
I'm talking about a Racer, with a horizontal back position (in the drops). There are very very few people in the peloton who comfortably ride like that for longer periods with no problems. With a low-rider bent the position is always aerodynamically good. I do not like bents, but I do comment that a bent should be faster on the flats and that the shown list proves that(while the insinuation was that it wasn't shown). I add to that that the "in the drops" position isn't used as much as the on the hoods. Sure, there are limber riders who can keep that position for hours, but that's rare. For the record, I am racing courses on a decent level, so I am more an upright racer than anything else Peter, Agreed, I was simplifying there, but I remain to say that a similar purpose bent(so race vs. race) should be a tad faster. And yeah, a bent ain't the second coming Everyone their own preference! And mine is... upright racer all the way. But that wasn't the point of the discusion/question, wich was surprise that a bent was slower than an upright on the flats. |
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Edward Dolan wrote: [snip] Ride your upright for about 8 hours a day for an entire week and then get back to me on the comfort issue. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Dear Ed, The well-known Freddie Hoffman has been riding an upright 8 hours per day for 30 years. He seems fairly comfortable with it. "For what it's worth, the few folks who put in a multiple of that mileage mostly ride bikes that you probably think wouldn't hack it for you. Freddie Hoffman, just to name an extreme example, has /averaged/ something like 100 miles per day over the last 30 years. He rides a 50-pound Schwinn with roadster bars." http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...38df6e59563c92 Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! That reminds me...I've always wondered whether athletes tend to wear themselves out more...I'm definitely athletic compared to the average American (and *look* like an Olympian -- but had a fat sailor beat me in a sprint once, fair and square), but maybe it really is old age and wear and tear that's got me preferring the comfort of my 'bent over the speed and agility of my upright. Your unbound enthusiasms indicate to me that you are not yet old. You will know that you are old when, like me, you no longer give a damn about anything. Details are no longer interesting and your mind only lingers on the great generalities - like life and death. You become as one finally with the poet. "I grow old . I grow old . I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled. Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach? I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach. I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think that they will sing to me. I have seen them riding seaward on the waves Combing the white hair of the waves blown back When the wind blows the water white and black. We have lingered in the chambers of the sea By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown Till human voices wake us, and we drown." T. S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Edward Dolan wrote: It is largely a matter of age. If you are indeed an athlete, you may never need a recumbent bicycle. But look around you. How many of us are athletes. Almost everyone by the time they are in their 50's will benefit from a recumbent. Recumbents are mostly about comfort, but they are also more fun to ride than uprights once you get rid of your sport mentality. |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... Newsgroups restored. Edward Dolan wrote: "Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message oups.com... NYC XYZ wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: I always read 'bent threads because I can always count on the last statement.....uprights by definition, are not 'uncomfortable' and the older you get(I'm 55), it is not automatically important that you get a 'bent....My upright is comfy, I see no need to get a bent because of my upright's comfort or my age... My Trek 1000c is the most comfortable upright I've ever had! In two months I had 700 miles on it already. But nothing is as comfortable as my SMGTe! It's like the difference between night and day. 700 miles for me is about 3 weeks on my upright. Once more, 'bents answer no question, solve no problem with regard to a well fitting upright ridden by a cyclist with no physical problems that dictate only a 'bent ride. It is largely a matter of age. If you are indeed an athlete, you may never need a recumbent bicycle. But look around you. How many of us are athletes. Almost everyone by the time they are in their 50's will benefit from a recumbent. Damn, I finally am provoked enough to answer a 'Dolan' post. I am 57 and would not consider a bent for anything. MTB and rough roads and exploring are where it's at for me, not playing sissy and old. Not even when I hit 70+ do I plan on acting over 50, not like the 'great' Ed suggests. Recumbents do not work at all well on rough roads. They are for paved surfaces only. Bill, you are still a young whippersnapper, but trust me on this, each and every year takes its' toll. By the time you are 70 you will find that your get up and go has got up and gone. Welcome to the world of the old and the dying. When I was in my 50's I thought those kind of years would go on forever too, but they don't. Enjoy them while you can. The Grim Reaper is right around the corner waiting for you and for me. He missed the whole point of having fun on a bike. I still take my grand kids out and since one is just turning 5 I will have ten years more to take him out, then there will be great grand kids to take riding, and I don't plan on letting them down either. Recumbents are mostly about comfort, but they are also more fun to ride than uprights once you get rid of your sport mentality. DUH? Ed seems to have an 'old' mentality. The advantage of a recumbent is that you will ride it longer into your old age than you ever will an upright. Old Bill Baka will one of these days get himself a recumbent. Nothing is more certain than that provided he wants to continue cycling into his 70's. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Jasper Janssen" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 May 2006 23:15:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" wrote: By the way, I am not so sure about there being no connection between bike saddles and prostate cancer and/or testicular cancer. Women also need to very wary around the conventional bike saddle. Our nether parts are really designed for seats, not saddles. Funny how I never hear about those old-time knights (lit: Horseman) fathering no *******s at all on all those commoners they slept with. There can be no doubt at all that the conventional bike saddle causes all kinds of problems in the groin area. Also funny how the Chinese and the Dutch haven't died out yet. The Chinese and the Dutch do not ride their bikes for sport. They ride them for utility purposes. It is the sport rider who is most at risk of developing groin problems from a bike saddle. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Tim Lines" wrote in message . .. Edward Dolan wrote: By the way, I am not so sure about there being no connection between bike saddles and prostate cancer and/or testicular cancer. It's about as accurate as the claim that riding a recumbent causes your brain to fall out. The evidence to support either supposition is about as strong. There is tons of anecdotal evidence. Ever had a numb penis from riding your bike? Maybe Lance Armstrong got his testicular cancer from all his cycling. The fact is that the groin area has many nerves concentrated there. How is the pressure from a bike saddle good for that? Try to get some common sense, why don't you? The casual occasional rider has nothing to worry about, but if you ride your bike many hours a day year around, who knows? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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