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On 6/14/2011 3:06 PM, Scott wrote:
On Jun 14, 12:46 pm, wrote: On 6/14/2011 1:16 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com From the Clinic Forum. Comments in [ ] are my additions, Fanboys: A couple of things for you to ponder. 1. Outside Mag contracted services from Hamilton to be performed in Aspen. That might explain why all the Outside reporters/bloggers were in the restaurant as well as Hamilton. 2. There are indications that it was not a chance meeting from Armstrong's point of view. He was in Tennessee that morning from a number of reports noted here and flew to Aspen during the day. The FBI can easily check to see when the flight plan for his jet was filed and if it changed a prior flight plan on file with the FAA. [it is easy enough for the Feds to obtain records of texts to and from Armstrong and friends that day] 3. CC is a public place of business that was open to both Hamilton and Armstrong on Saturday evening. If Armstrong touched Hamilton and impeded his movement, that could be interpreted as a form of intimidation. In some jurisdictions, like Massachusetts, mere unwanted touching by another is assault--no common law or statutory battery needed. [there's no such thing as Aspen being "Lance's town." Lance is responsible for his action there just like anywhere.] 4. If Armstrong stated to Hamilton what Hamilton reported to his attorney, Armstrong made clear reference to possible impending Hamilton trial testimony and made remarks relative thereto of an intimidating nature. 5. Lance's friend Jodi the CC part owner would do well to consult counsel before she says another word lest she be seen as participating in/abetting witness intimidation. If nothing really happened, why would she make a point of telling Hamilton to never return when Armstrong was present in CC at the same time? Your boy Lance is one stupid bully from Plano, Tarik. A guy who doesn't fear the truth has no need to intimidate others telling the truth. You really think LA flew home early just so he could confront TH outside the restroom of a public restaurant??? Damn. If he really wanted to intimidate TH, even a bully from Plano knows you send someone else to do it. Fact--Armstrong was in Tennessee Saturday morning. Did he fly back specifically to confront Hamilton that evening? Possibly. It's fairly easy to determine with the investigative power of the Fed. government. Maybe the bully from Plano is having trouble finding people to do certain deeds these days. Or, maybe he just lost it when he say Hamilton. Either way, he ****ed himself royally. |
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On Jun 14, 2:48*pm, BL wrote:
On 6/14/2011 3:06 PM, Scott wrote: On Jun 14, 12:46 pm, *wrote: On 6/14/2011 1:16 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: * *wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne.... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. *The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com * From the Clinic Forum. Comments in [ * *] are my additions, Fanboys: A couple of things for you to ponder. 1. Outside Mag contracted services from Hamilton to be performed in Aspen. That might explain why all the Outside reporters/bloggers were in the restaurant as well as Hamilton. 2. There are indications that it was not a chance meeting from Armstrong's point of view. He was in Tennessee that morning from a number of reports noted here and flew to Aspen during the day. The FBI can easily check to see when the flight plan for his jet was filed and if it changed a prior flight plan on file with the FAA. [it is easy enough for the Feds to obtain records of texts to and from Armstrong and friends that day] 3. CC is a public place of business that was open to both Hamilton and Armstrong on Saturday evening. If Armstrong touched Hamilton and impeded his movement, that could be interpreted as a form of intimidation. In some jurisdictions, like Massachusetts, mere unwanted touching by another is assault--no common law or statutory battery needed. [there's no such thing as Aspen being "Lance's town." Lance is responsible for his action there just like anywhere.] 4. If Armstrong stated to Hamilton what Hamilton reported to his attorney, Armstrong made clear reference to possible impending Hamilton trial testimony and made remarks relative thereto of an intimidating nature. 5. Lance's friend Jodi the CC part owner would do well to consult counsel before she says another word lest she be seen as participating in/abetting witness intimidation. If nothing really happened, why would she make a point of telling Hamilton to never return when Armstrong was present in CC at the same time? Your boy Lance is one stupid bully from Plano, Tarik. A guy who doesn't fear the truth has no need to intimidate others telling the truth. You really think LA flew home early just so he could confront TH outside the restroom of a public restaurant??? *Damn. If he really wanted to intimidate TH, even a bully from Plano knows you send someone else to do it. Fact--Armstrong was in Tennessee Saturday morning. Did he fly back specifically to confront Hamilton that evening? Possibly. It's fairly easy to determine with the investigative power of the Fed. government. Maybe the bully from Plano is having trouble finding people to do certain deeds these days. Or, maybe he just lost it when he say Hamilton. Either way, he ****ed himself royally.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't really want to fuel the fire, but there was a very Lafferty- esqe post from someone with the handle "HJR" that has a similar verbal threat. The "harming his ability to make a living by threatening his position in the break" is a hoot though. - - - - - - - HJR 03-11-05, 03:38 PM It's my understanding that Simeoni claims (don't know if there are any willing witnesses) that Lance threatened him professionally and economically when he caught up to the break. That's witness tampering whether it is in a sporting event or a darkened parking lot or in a hotel room. If you threaten a witness of a court case you are intending to influence their testimony, hence tampering with that witness. In addition to harming his ability to make a living by threatening his position in the break, this quote is from an MSNBC article: "Simeoni was quoted by Gazzetta as saying that while he rode with Armstrong, the Texan said, “You made a mistake to speak against Ferrari, and you made a mistake to take legal action against me. I have money and time and lots of lawyers. I can destroy you.”" |
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On Jun 14, 2:38*pm, "
wrote: On Jun 14, 2:06*pm, Scott wrote: On Jun 14, 12:46*pm, BL wrote: On 6/14/2011 1:16 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: *wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. *The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com *From the Clinic Forum. Comments in [ * *] are my additions, Fanboys: A couple of things for you to ponder. 1. Outside Mag contracted services from Hamilton to be performed in Aspen. That might explain why all the Outside reporters/bloggers were in the restaurant as well as Hamilton. 2. There are indications that it was not a chance meeting from Armstrong's point of view. He was in Tennessee that morning from a number of reports noted here and flew to Aspen during the day. The FBI can easily check to see when the flight plan for his jet was filed and if it changed a prior flight plan on file with the FAA. [it is easy enough for the Feds to obtain records of texts to and from Armstrong and friends that day] 3. CC is a public place of business that was open to both Hamilton and Armstrong on Saturday evening. If Armstrong touched Hamilton and impeded his movement, that could be interpreted as a form of intimidation. In some jurisdictions, like Massachusetts, mere unwanted touching by another is assault--no common law or statutory battery needed. [there's no such thing as Aspen being "Lance's town." Lance is responsible for his action there just like anywhere.] 4. If Armstrong stated to Hamilton what Hamilton reported to his attorney, Armstrong made clear reference to possible impending Hamilton trial testimony and made remarks relative thereto of an intimidating nature. 5. Lance's friend Jodi the CC part owner would do well to consult counsel before she says another word lest she be seen as participating in/abetting witness intimidation. If nothing really happened, why would she make a point of telling Hamilton to never return when Armstrong was present in CC at the same time? Your boy Lance is one stupid bully from Plano, Tarik. A guy who doesn't fear the truth has no need to intimidate others telling the truth. You really think LA flew home early just so he could confront TH outside the restroom of a public restaurant??? *Damn. If he really wanted to intimidate TH, even a bully from Plano knows you send someone else to do it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tarik Aziz is not the famous Information Minister, that was Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s27Oq5ot0ZI Sarah Palin hired him to do history and Michelle Bachmann hired him for constitutional consulting. |
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On Jun 14, 1:49*pm, BL wrote:
On 6/14/2011 2:06 PM, --D-y wrote: On Jun 14, 5:46 am, *wrote: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne.... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. *The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. Aiding in a "cover up", how? That's a mighty, mighty reach even for you. Lying about what was or was not said to rebut the claims of another adverse to her good customer Lance, is participation in the intimidation after the fact thereby trying to conceal the illegal act. *Welcome to the real world, Lance, et al. Unwanted touching, by Hamilton? That's assault, by some definitions. Nothing wrong with a good stiff-arm, there. "A man was not born to run away". --D-y Um, the case could be easily made that "they were all lying". Some people call it a point of view, but this, by report, goes beyond. The "quotes" are so incredibly far apart as to substance, etc. that unless there is a pretty clear sound track, and a clear "vid" of the alleged confrontation, who can "prove" what? This event smacks of a set-up by the Outside crew; it wouldn't be too difficult to find out where someone famous hangs out in such a small town, which is full of celebrities and fawning gawkers. Soooo... unbeknownst to Tyler (possible, and he was said to be "surprised" by Lance's appearance), even, the situation was arranged by Outside, and it's grist for the paper-selling mill. So has Outside joined the witch hunt, too? I don't read that one so I'm not familiar with the recent editorial output. If it was a setup, I wonder how Tyler feels about his buds at Outside pranking him like that? Welcome to the real world, Tyler (he said sarcastically in response to BL). The bit about Lance flying into Aspen just to confront Tyler might be true but on the other hand, it's been 100+ degrees pretty much daily for some time in Austin, with no rain, and there is a long tradition of Texans spending as much of the summer as possible in western slope, Colorado. And Aspen's airport is about as handy as you can get. My money is more on the Outside crew, with or without Tyler's knowledge or complicity. --D-y --D-y |
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On Jun 14, 12:16*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: "BL" wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. *The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. --Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com Mike - my family has been in Aspen since 1972 and it isn't anyone's town. **** I don't even like going there for all the bull**** the place is now. (and we have acreage! ) Long live Spider! I am of the opinion that Lance sought Tyler out in this case. |
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On Jun 14, 10:16*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: "BL" wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. *The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. WTF, I visited Aspen and the sidewalks were not painted yellow, although there was a yellow stripe down the center of the street, maybe that was Lance's street? Maybe they only paint the sidewalks in summer. Both of these guys are, in case no one has figured it out, morons. It isn't "Lance's town" even if he's rich enough to have bought a house and hang out there. At least Tyler skis or used to, but wtf was he expecting, the moment he saw Lance much less made eye contact or voice contact, he should have excused himself rather than trying to hug it off. The idea that either of these clowns deliberately set this up is ... conspiracy talk. I really doubt Tyler wanted to set Lance up. More likely, Tyler wants to be loved and accepted, and Lance wants to kick his ass, but knows that's not acceptable in a chi-chi restaurant. Oh, such drama. They should junk the trial and put Novitsky, Tyler and Lance in a reality TV show. The proceeds could go to the FDA to fund E. coli inspections. BTW, I've never eaten at this place, but have a feeling that if you're eating out for the food rather than the scene, go next door to Campo de Fiori instead. Thanks, Fredmaster Ben |
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On Jun 14, 9:22*pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
On Jun 14, 10:16*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote: "BL" wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne.... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. *The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. WTF, I visited Aspen and the sidewalks were not painted yellow, although there was a yellow stripe down the center of the street, maybe that was Lance's street? *Maybe they only paint the sidewalks in summer. Both of these guys are, in case no one has figured it out, morons. *It isn't "Lance's town" even if he's rich enough to have bought a house and hang out there. *At least Tyler skis or used to, but wtf was he expecting, the moment he saw Lance much less made eye contact or voice contact, he should have excused himself rather than trying to hug it off. The idea that either of these clowns deliberately set this up is ... conspiracy talk. *I really doubt Tyler wanted to set Lance up. *More likely, Tyler wants to be loved and accepted, and Lance wants to kick his ass, but knows that's not acceptable in a chi-chi restaurant. *Oh, such drama. *They should junk the trial and put Novitsky, Tyler and Lance in a reality TV show. *The proceeds could go to the FDA to fund E. coli inspections. BTW, I've never eaten at this place, but have a feeling that if you're eating out for the food rather than the scene, go next door to Campo de Fiori instead. If you have a jet, go to Rome and eat at La Carbonara in the real Campo dei Fiori, where real Italians know their articles. I have a |
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On Jun 14, 9:22*pm, Fredmaster of Brainerd wrote:
BTW, I've never eaten at this place, but have a feeling that if you're eating out for the food rather than the scene, go next door to Campo de Fiori instead. Excuse the flipper fingers.... I have a question about the restaurant in question in Aspen. Lance eats there three times a week? WTF? I don't eat at home three times a week and I'd be damned if I'd eat in one restaurant that often. R |
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On Jun 14, 7:32*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
Mike - my family has been in Aspen since 1972 and it isn't anyone's town. ***** I don't even like going there for all the bull**** the place is now. * (and we have acreage! ) * *Long live Spider! Let's see, you hate the Aspen, Philly and the US in general. Yep, it's not your problem, it's the place's fault. Sheesh. I am of the opinion that Lance sought Tyler out in this case. That carries inestimable weight. R |
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On 6/14/2011 7:32 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
On Jun 14, 12:16 pm, "Mike wrote: wrote in message ... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/it...-06-13_attorne... Gotta love Tarik Fabiani. The CC owner had best hope security tapes from her establishment back up her version of events. Aiding in covering up witness tampering is a felony. So let me get this straight. The generally-agreed-upon facts in this case, the sort of things that would lead to a guilty verdict, are so weak that *this*, once more, a bunch of he-said she-said stuff, is a "game changer?" Everyone knows that Aspen is "Lance's" town. Especially Tyler. And the folk from Outside Magazine. This sounds more like a sad attempt on Tyler's part of try and put down Lance on his (Lance's) turf, or maybe provoke a reaction that Novitsky's fanboys would drool over. Tyler ain't man enough to pull that off. Lance may be arrogant enough to be pulled into it though. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com Mike - my family has been in Aspen since 1972 and it isn't anyone's town. **** I don't even like going there for all the bull**** the place is now. (and we have acreage! ) Long live Spider! I am of the opinion that Lance sought Tyler out in this case. Poor Claudine.................. |
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