Pavement motorist injures woman.

On Sep 15, 9:00*am, "Doug" wrote:
On 14-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





Doug wrote:
On 13-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 12-Sep-2011, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

or not

and it clearly shows that
pavements are not that much safer than roads.

It does no such thing.

"Man arrested after woman hit by car in Bedminster

OK

A woman in her 20s has been injured after a car came off the road
and onto
the pavement in Bristol.

Right

Emergency services were called to Cannon Road, in the Bedminster
area of the
city, at 13:15 BST on Sunday.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said the area had been
cordoned off
while officers investigated the scene.

Good

"The woman's injuries are not thought to be life threatening.

Good

A man, also in
his 20s, was arrested in connection," the force spokesman added."

We don't know what for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14872478

So nothing to do with cycling then?

Any potential source of danger on our roads and pavements is of
serious concern to vulnerable cyclists, much as you would like to
brush it all under the carpet.

then address the problem of the millions of cyclists that infest the
pavement every day.

Yes but they are not nearly as dangerous as millions of cars on
pavements every day. Cars may not seem dangerous when they are parked
on pavements but they only have to move a short distance slowly to be
able to kill someone easily, and sometimes they do. Of course, cars
crashing on pavements and damaging buildings, which they often do,
are much more lethally dangerous than bicycles being ridden on
pavements.

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want to
try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.

There is a massive difference between deliberate use of the pavement by
cyclists and inadvertent use by motorists , mainly the one of intent. *I
regard an injury caused by someone deliberately taking an action as being
more serious than an injury caused by someone accidentally taking an
action:
Just the same as any reasonable man and the law.

You forget, motorists intentionally drive onto a pavement in order to park
there, during which they pose a risk to pavement users.

If they are allowed to park there, that would be allowed.

Sometimes motorists
also have to drive along the pavement to a parking place.

Not often
It can also be
argued that the moment a driver climbs into his car and drives off there is
intent to use a highly dangerous machine in public places, thus posing a
risk to others and especially when there is loss of control of that machine.


Well yes, I expect an idiot would argue that.

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Doug wrote:
On 14-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 13-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 12-Sep-2011, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

or not

and it clearly shows that
pavements are not that much safer than roads.

It does no such thing.


"Man arrested after woman hit by car in Bedminster

OK


A woman in her 20s has been injured after a car came off the
road and onto
the pavement in Bristol.

Right


Emergency services were called to Cannon Road, in the Bedminster
area of the
city, at 13:15 BST on Sunday.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said the area had been
cordoned off
while officers investigated the scene.

Good


"The woman's injuries are not thought to be life threatening.

Good

A man, also in
his 20s, was arrested in connection," the force spokesman
added."


We don't know what for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14872478


So nothing to do with cycling then?

Any potential source of danger on our roads and pavements is of
serious concern to vulnerable cyclists, much as you would like to
brush it all under the carpet.


then address the problem of the millions of cyclists that infest
the pavement every day.

Yes but they are not nearly as dangerous as millions of cars on
pavements every day. Cars may not seem dangerous when they are
parked on pavements but they only have to move a short distance
slowly to be able to kill someone easily, and sometimes they do. Of
course, cars crashing on pavements and damaging buildings, which
they often do, are much more lethally dangerous than bicycles being
ridden on pavements.

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want
to try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.


There is a massive difference between deliberate use of the pavement
by cyclists and inadvertent use by motorists , mainly the one of
intent. I regard an injury caused by someone deliberately taking an
action as being more serious than an injury caused by someone
accidentally taking an action:
Just the same as any reasonable man and the law.

You forget, motorists intentionally drive onto a pavement in order to
park there, during which they pose a risk to pavement users.
Sometimes motorists also have to drive along the pavement to a
parking place. It can also be argued that the moment a driver climbs
into his car and drives off there is intent to use a highly dangerous
machine in public places, thus posing a risk to others and especially
when there is loss of control of that machine.


incidents of death or injury while someone is parking on the pavement are as
rare as children being killed by hanging from cycle helmets and much less
common than pedestrians being injured or killed by cyclists that are
deliberately and willfully riding on the pavement knowing full well that
they are being illegal, anti-social and dangerous.

I have seen many incidents in the last few months of cyclists losing control
of their bicycles at speed in public places, perhaps it is time for a
maximum speed limit for bicycles.

francis wrote:
On Sep 14, 7:13 am, "Doug" wrote:
On 13-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:





Doug wrote:
On 12-Sep-2011, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

or not

and it clearly shows that
pavements are not that much safer than roads.

It does no such thing.

"Man arrested after woman hit by car in Bedminster

OK

A woman in her 20s has been injured after a car came off the road
and onto
the pavement in Bristol.

Right

Emergency services were called to Cannon Road, in the Bedminster
area of the
city, at 13:15 BST on Sunday.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said the area had been
cordoned off
while officers investigated the scene.

Good

"The woman's injuries are not thought to be life threatening.

Good

A man, also in
his 20s, was arrested in connection," the force spokesman added."

We don't know what for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14872478

So nothing to do with cycling then?

Any potential source of danger on our roads and pavements is of
serious concern to vulnerable cyclists, much as you would like to
brush it all under the carpet.

then address the problem of the millions of cyclists that infest the
pavement every day.

Yes but they are not nearly as dangerous as millions of cars on
pavements every day. Cars may not seem dangerous when they are
parked on pavements but they only have to move a short distance
slowly to be able to kill someone easily, and sometimes they do. Of
course, cars crashing on pavements and damaging buildings, which
they often do, are much more lethally dangerous than bicycles being
ridden on pavements.

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want
to try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.



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Millions of cars on pavements?

parked on pavements maybe, but not undertaking whole journeys upon
pavements.

On 15/09/2011 09:00, Doug wrote:
On 14-Sep-2011, wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 13-Sep-2011, wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 12-Sep-2011, Tony wrote:

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

or not

and it clearly shows that
pavements are not that much safer than roads.

It does no such thing.


"Man arrested after woman hit by car in Bedminster

OK


A woman in her 20s has been injured after a car came off the road
and onto
the pavement in Bristol.

Right


Emergency services were called to Cannon Road, in the Bedminster
area of the
city, at 13:15 BST on Sunday.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said the area had been
cordoned off
while officers investigated the scene.

Good


"The woman's injuries are not thought to be life threatening.

Good

A man, also in
his 20s, was arrested in connection," the force spokesman added."


We don't know what for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14872478


So nothing to do with cycling then?

Any potential source of danger on our roads and pavements is of
serious concern to vulnerable cyclists, much as you would like to
brush it all under the carpet.


then address the problem of the millions of cyclists that infest the
pavement every day.

Yes but they are not nearly as dangerous as millions of cars on
pavements every day. Cars may not seem dangerous when they are parked
on pavements but they only have to move a short distance slowly to be
able to kill someone easily, and sometimes they do. Of course, cars
crashing on pavements and damaging buildings, which they often do,
are much more lethally dangerous than bicycles being ridden on
pavements.

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want to
try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.


There is a massive difference between deliberate use of the pavement by
cyclists and inadvertent use by motorists , mainly the one of intent. I
regard an injury caused by someone deliberately taking an action as being
more serious than an injury caused by someone accidentally taking an
action:
Just the same as any reasonable man and the law.

You forget, motorists intentionally drive onto a pavement in order to park
there, during which they pose a risk to pavement users. Sometimes motorists
also have to drive along the pavement to a parking place. It can also be
argued that the moment a driver climbs into his car and drives off there is
intent to use a highly dangerous machine in public places, thus posing a
risk to others and especially when there is loss of control of that machine.

So, when was the last recorded incident of a motorist intentionally
driving along a pavement to a parking place actually injuring someone?

****wit.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Sep 15, 9:00*am, "Doug" wrote:

You forget, motorists intentionally drive onto a pavement in order to park
there, during which they pose a risk to pavement users. Sometimes motorists
also have to drive along the pavement to a parking place. It can also be
argued that the moment a driver climbs into his car and drives off there is
intent to use a highly dangerous machine in public places, thus posing a
risk to others and especially when there is loss of control of that machine.

It would go some way to explaining this.

http://pedestrianliberation.org/2011...y-do-big-time/
--
Simon Mason

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:10:13 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:



So, when was the last recorded incident of a motorist intentionally
driving along a pavement to a parking place actually injuring someone?

****wit.

It is a real great honour to be ****witted by the dave.



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An oft-repeated lie is sill a lie.

On 15-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want
to try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.


Millions of cars on pavements?

parked on pavements maybe, but not undertaking whole journeys upon
pavements.

What you are omitting is that cars need only be driven a short distance very
slowly to be very dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists if they are rammed
in the process. Also, what happens when the accelerator is mistaken for the
brake?

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A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 15-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 14-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 13-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 12-Sep-2011, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

or not

and it clearly shows that
pavements are not that much safer than roads.

It does no such thing.


"Man arrested after woman hit by car in Bedminster

OK


A woman in her 20s has been injured after a car came off the
road and onto
the pavement in Bristol.

Right


Emergency services were called to Cannon Road, in the Bedminster
area of the
city, at 13:15 BST on Sunday.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said the area had been
cordoned off
while officers investigated the scene.

Good


"The woman's injuries are not thought to be life threatening.

Good

A man, also in
his 20s, was arrested in connection," the force spokesman
added."


We don't know what for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14872478


So nothing to do with cycling then?

Any potential source of danger on our roads and pavements is of
serious concern to vulnerable cyclists, much as you would like to
brush it all under the carpet.


then address the problem of the millions of cyclists that infest
the pavement every day.

Yes but they are not nearly as dangerous as millions of cars on
pavements every day. Cars may not seem dangerous when they are
parked on pavements but they only have to move a short distance
slowly to be able to kill someone easily, and sometimes they do. Of
course, cars crashing on pavements and damaging buildings, which
they often do, are much more lethally dangerous than bicycles being
ridden on pavements.

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want
to try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.


There is a massive difference between deliberate use of the pavement
by cyclists and inadvertent use by motorists , mainly the one of
intent. I regard an injury caused by someone deliberately taking an
action as being more serious than an injury caused by someone
accidentally taking an action:
Just the same as any reasonable man and the law.

You forget, motorists intentionally drive onto a pavement in order to
park there, during which they pose a risk to pavement users.
Sometimes motorists also have to drive along the pavement to a
parking place. It can also be argued that the moment a driver climbs
into his car and drives off there is intent to use a highly dangerous
machine in public places, thus posing a risk to others and especially
when there is loss of control of that machine.


incidents of death or injury while someone is parking on the pavement are
as
rare as children being killed by hanging from cycle helmets and much less
common than pedestrians being injured or killed by cyclists that are
deliberately and willfully riding on the pavement knowing full well that
they are being illegal, anti-social and dangerous.

Do you have a source for such a claim?

I have seen many incidents in the last few months of cyclists losing
control
of their bicycles at speed in public places, perhaps it is time for a
maximum speed limit for bicycles.
..
Anecdotal.

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http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

But a cyclist wouldn't have been riding on the pavement, surely?

Doug wrote:
On 15-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 14-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 13-Sep-2011, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Doug wrote:
On 12-Sep-2011, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 12/09/2011 05:46, Doug wrote:
It could so easily have been a cyclist victim

or not

and it clearly shows that
pavements are not that much safer than roads.

It does no such thing.


"Man arrested after woman hit by car in Bedminster

OK


A woman in her 20s has been injured after a car came off the
road and onto
the pavement in Bristol.

Right


Emergency services were called to Cannon Road, in the
Bedminster area of the
city, at 13:15 BST on Sunday.

An Avon and Somerset Police spokesman said the area had been
cordoned off
while officers investigated the scene.

Good


"The woman's injuries are not thought to be life threatening.

Good

A man, also in
his 20s, was arrested in connection," the force spokesman
added."


We don't know what for.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14872478


So nothing to do with cycling then?

Any potential source of danger on our roads and pavements is of
serious concern to vulnerable cyclists, much as you would like
to brush it all under the carpet.


then address the problem of the millions of cyclists that infest
the pavement every day.

Yes but they are not nearly as dangerous as millions of cars on
pavements every day. Cars may not seem dangerous when they are
parked on pavements but they only have to move a short distance
slowly to be able to kill someone easily, and sometimes they do.
Of course, cars crashing on pavements and damaging buildings,
which they often do, are much more lethally dangerous than
bicycles being ridden on pavements.

Motorists try to blame cyclists for pavement use because they want
to try to brush their own pavement use under the carpet.


There is a massive difference between deliberate use of the
pavement by cyclists and inadvertent use by motorists , mainly the
one of intent. I regard an injury caused by someone deliberately
taking an action as being more serious than an injury caused by
someone accidentally taking an action:
Just the same as any reasonable man and the law.

You forget, motorists intentionally drive onto a pavement in order
to park there, during which they pose a risk to pavement users.
Sometimes motorists also have to drive along the pavement to a
parking place. It can also be argued that the moment a driver climbs
into his car and drives off there is intent to use a highly
dangerous machine in public places, thus posing a risk to others
and especially when there is loss of control of that machine.


incidents of death or injury while someone is parking on the
pavement are as
rare as children being killed by hanging from cycle helmets and much
less common than pedestrians being injured or killed by cyclists
that are deliberately and willfully riding on the pavement knowing
full well that they are being illegal, anti-social and dangerous.

Do you have a source for such a claim?

I have seen many incidents in the last few months of cyclists losing
control
of their bicycles at speed in public places, perhaps it is time for a
maximum speed limit for bicycles.
.
Anecdotal.

It is you that claims these incidents are frequent, from the press reports
it is more common for cyclists who are deliberately and willfully on the
pavement to injure or kill pedestrians, than it is for motorists to
deliberately mount the pavement and hurt or kill someone.

not anecdotal, by seen, I mean that I have read about them, many I have
noted on this news group. You should take your blinkers off.