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Old May 23rd 18, 01:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.

This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2],
Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders,
holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at
1649.90 euro.

What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are
you aware of?

For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel
frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim
brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake,
and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern
Aheadset style...


[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017

[2] It says 35-622 on the page but a guy in a shop
told me it had 47-622 when he showed me the bike.
The tires looked possibly 44-622 to me but I can't
always tell without looking.


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Old May 23rd 18, 03:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sepp Ruf
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Emanuel Berg wrote:
I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.

This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2],
Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders,
holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at
1649.90 euro.

What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are
you aware of?


Careful, "one" (cough) or the other brand might just be selling "trekking"
frames with extra bent metal tubes to call them randonneur bikes.

For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel
frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim
brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake,
and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern
Aheadset style...


A realistic question is if the common 42 width is sufficient or if the bike
really fits 47 (labeled) tires plus fenders.

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Comfort geometry? Well, most apes do have short legs and long arms.
https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/de/pdfs/pdf_vsf/testberichte/2016_01_radtouren_vsf_fahrradmanufaktur_tx_randonn eur_6.pdf


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Old May 23rd 18, 09:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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Sepp Ruf writes:

A realistic question is if the common 42 width is
sufficient or if the bike really fits 47 (labeled)
tires plus fenders.


Do they say that anywhere on the page?

I only heard the guy say it ("47") in the shop (tho
the tires didn't look that wide), on the home page,
what I can see, it says


Schwalbe Marathon Racer, 35-622, reflex


35 on a touring/randonneur bike?

I have 32-630 on my road bike and my intuition tells
me 35 is too small as well, probably 42 at a very
minimum!

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Old May 23rd 18, 07:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 5/23/2018 5:28 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
I'm looking for a randonneur to buy for personal use.

This [1] looks good: 47-622 tires [2],
Shimano 105 30 speed, mudguards/fenders,
holders for pack, etc. - only a bit juicy at
1649.90 euro.

What other randonneurs at perhaps a lower price are
you aware of?

For me to like it, it has to a be a diamond steel
frame, with at least 44-622 tires, lots of gears, rim
brakes, long-wheelbase/comfort-geometry/fork-with-rake,
and maximum-headset-spacers if indeed a modern
Aheadset style...


[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S..
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Old May 23rd 18, 09:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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sms writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.


Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll
put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next
summer. Or the summer after that...

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the
U.S..


Really? Why not?

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Old May 24th 18, 05:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 5/23/2018 1:25 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
sms writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.


Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll
put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next
summer. Or the summer after that...

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the
U.S..


Really? Why not?


No market for them.

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Old May 24th 18, 07:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Emanuel Berg[_2_]
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sms writes:

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the
U.S..


Really? Why not?


No market for them.


Depressing!

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Old May 25th 18, 09:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tim McNamara
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On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:39:55 -0700, sms
wrote:
On 5/23/2018 1:25 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
sms writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017

Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.


Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll put in the extra
effort to maybe get it to next summer. Or the summer after that...

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the U.S..


Really? Why not?


No market for them.


Sure we have randonneuses available in the US, albeit generally by
custom order (just like the French- even there, there are have been few
true randonneuses available as mass market bikes that you could buy off
the showroom floor). I had one made by a local builder in 2015 and he
had made others before mine. There are a few builders in the US that
specialize in this sort of thing.

If you're talking about "bikes with fenders and lights," there are
options in many bike shops in the US. But "bike" in the US continues to
mean mostly MTBs or TdF type bikes.
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Old May 25th 18, 08:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
SMS
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On 5/23/2018 1:25 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
sms writes:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Yes, the Fahrradmanufaktur is probably your best bet.


Yep, I think it looks great, too expansive but I'll
put in the extra effort to maybe get it to next
summer. Or the summer after that...

We have no Randonneur bicycles available in the
U.S..


Really? Why not?


You can buy a Randonneur frame in the U.S.:
http://www.somafab.com/archives/prod...neur-frame-set

A randonneur bicycle is not the same as a touring bicycle, though a
touring bicycle may be close enough for you. $529.99 for a frame and
fork is not bad. You should be able to build a complete bike for another
$1000 or so.
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Old May 23rd 18, 08:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 7:28:54 AM UTC-5, Emanuel Berg wrote:

[1] https://www.fahrradmanufaktur.de/en/...andonneur-2017


Looks like a loaded touring bike to me. Those are sold in the USA and everywhere in the world. To me randonneur means something very special and specific. Randonneuring is long distance cycling, 200 to 1200km, in a specific time limit. You carry minimal gear to make it through the ride. NO ONE uses a loaded touring bike like you linked to for randonneuring. Look at the bikes used on Paris Brest Paris, the original randonneur ride, and you will not see any loaded touring bikes. The bike you linked would be used on round the world tours carrying four panniers, handlebar bag, and tent piled on top of the rear rack. A heavy loaded touring bike. If that is what you want, then just do a simple search for loaded touring bikes.
 




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