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THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW 
(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)



 
 
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Old October 30th 12, 01:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 30 Oct, 01:29, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:36:37 AM UTC, thirty-six wrote:
On 29 Oct, 15:55, Andre Jute wrote:


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW



(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)



by Andre Jute


It is a risible myth that your average American is a tall-walking free 
individual untrammeled by government: he is in fact just as much 
constricted as a European soft-socialist consumerist or Japanese 
collective citizen, though it is true that the American is controlled 
in different areas of his activity than the European or the Japanese. 
To some the uncontrolled areas of American life, for instance the 
ability to own and use firearms, smacks of barbarism rather than 
liberty. In this article I examine whether the lack of a mandatory 
bicycle helmet law in the USA is barbaric or an emanation of that 
rugged liberty more evident in rhetoric than reality.


Any case for intervention by the state must be made on moral and 
statistical grounds.


State intervention MUST be opposed at every opportunity.


Examples are driving licences, crush zones on 
cars, seatbelts, age restrictions on alcohol sales, and a million 
other interventions, all now accepted unremarked in the States as part 
of the regulatory landscape, but all virulently opposed in their day.


State intervention MUST be opposed at every opportunity.


Failure to persist, allows them to control our thoughts.


HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING?


IT'S NOT!


EOT


That's the conclusion I arrived at, Eeyore.

Andre Jute


I was unable to comprehend it due to tiredness and noticed you
mentioned helmets. EOT
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Old October 30th 12, 11:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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try comparison on this page

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...iw=960&bih=512

notice insurance companies, DA/law enforcement-local taxes go in a direction opposite mandatory helmets in facto march together avoiding 'failure to yield'

in USA, question has little to do with safety only $$$$$

SAY WHAT DOES CYCLE INSURNACE COST ?

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Old October 31st 12, 12:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 30 Oct, 23:25, datakoll wrote:
try comparison on this page

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...=tV1rgvHsjXx3e...

notice insurance companies, DA/law enforcement-local taxes go in a direction opposite mandatory helmets in facto march together avoiding 'failure to yield'

in USA, question has little to do with safety only $$$$$

SAY WHAT DOES CYCLE INSURNACE COST ?


When theft insurance is tagged in to hiushild, n UK, it can come on at
an annual fate of 1/20 replacement cost if one is careful in choosing
policies.
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Old November 3rd 12, 03:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW

(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)


by Andre Jute
[...]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws

According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not
been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to
the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,
there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated
with helmet wear.

I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a
helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause
injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the
ground.

I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.
I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case
a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,
and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.
The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and
the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding
along the road.
--
Dieter Britz
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Old November 3rd 12, 11:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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you fell,fell, fell butbutbut did not slam your head on the road.

you will fall again, hit your head on the road suffering a mild concussion.

IHS
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Old November 3rd 12, 11:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:



THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW




(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)





by Andre Jute

[...]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws



According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not

been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to

the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,

there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated

with helmet wear.



I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a

helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause

injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the

ground.



I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.

I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case

a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,

and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.

The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and

the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding

along the road.

--

Dieter Britz


Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is
THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW
(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)

The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different. Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.

Andre Jute
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Old November 4th 12, 12:43 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:



THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)



(


by Andre Jute

[...]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws



According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not

been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to

the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,

there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated

with helmet wear.



I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a

helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause

injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the

ground.



I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.

I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case

a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,

and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.

The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and

the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding

along the road.

--

Dieter Britz


Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is
THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW
(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)

The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different.
Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my
mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the
conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.

Andre Jute


For a guy that lives in Ireland, you've got a lot of compassion to spend
all this time and effort trying to save the lives of people an ocean away.


Or are you just stirring the pot?
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Old November 4th 12, 04:13 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 3, 4:24*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:
On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW




(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)




by Andre Jute


[...]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws


According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not


been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to


the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,


there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated


with helmet wear.


I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a


helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause


injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the


ground.


I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.


I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case


a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,


and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.


The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and


the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding


along the road.


--


Dieter Britz


Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is
THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW
(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)

The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different. Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.


I've fallen on ice and whacked my head and messed up my face. I got
to spend the afternoon at a plastic surgeon's office -- because of my
frameless glasses, which got driven in to my face.

The difference between PDX and Denmark is that my hilly route home
gains more elevation than the highest peak in Denmark by twice.
Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old November 4th 12, 09:29 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:43:21 AM UTC, Ralph Barone wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:


The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different.


Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my


mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the


conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.



Andre Jute


For a guy that lives in Ireland, you've got a lot of compassion to spend

all this time and effort trying to save the lives of people an ocean away.

Or are you just stirring the pot?


Yup, that's me, Mr Compassion. Except for bullies and dumb engineers, of course.
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Old November 4th 12, 12:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:24*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:


On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:




THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW








(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)








by Andre Jute




[...]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws




According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not




been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to




the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,




there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated




with helmet wear.




I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a




helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause




injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the




ground.




I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.




I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case




a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,




and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.




The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and




the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding




along the road.




--




Dieter Britz




Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)




The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different.. Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.




I've fallen on ice and whacked my head and messed up my face. I got

to spend the afternoon at a plastic surgeon's office -- because of my

frameless glasses, which got driven in to my face.



The difference between PDX and Denmark is that my hilly route home

gains more elevation than the highest peak in Denmark by twice.

Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU



-- Jay Beattie.


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Jay, send us an elevation profile ? how's the new cannon frame ?
 




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