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THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW 
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Old November 4th 12, 06:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)

Andre Jute:

a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.


You collectivists really like the concept of compulsion, don't you?
More than the concept of liberty which undoubtedly is totally foreign
to their Constitution.

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Old November 4th 12, 07:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:


Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


I've seen those videos before. Seems to me that putting on an 8 ounce bike helmet and riding a bike in those conditions constitutes an excellent example of risk compensation. Or really, risk over-compensation.

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Old November 4th 12, 07:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 4, 11:06 am, wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:

Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


I've seen those videos before. Seems to me that putting on an 8 ounce bike helmet and riding a bike in those conditions constitutes an excellent example of risk compensation. Or really, risk over-compensation.


(Haven't looked at the videos, but... ) Are you saying we should...
what? Park the bike and take the car?

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Old November 4th 12, 07:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 4, 4:48 am, datakoll wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:24 pm, Andre Jute wrote:


On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:


On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)


by Andre Jute


[...]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws


According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not


been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to


the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,


there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated


with helmet wear.


I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a


helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause


injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the


ground.


I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.


I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case


a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,


and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.


The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and


the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding


along the road.


--


Dieter Britz


Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)


The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different. Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.


I've fallen on ice and whacked my head and messed up my face. I got


to spend the afternoon at a plastic surgeon's office -- because of my


frameless glasses, which got driven in to my face.


The difference between PDX and Denmark is that my hilly route home


gains more elevation than the highest peak in Denmark by twice.


Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


-- Jay Beattie.


sssssssssss

Jay, send us an elevation profile ? how's the new cannon frame ?


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Old November 4th 12, 07:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 4, 11:06 am, wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:

Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


I've seen those videos before. Seems to me that putting on an 8 ounce bike helmet...


http://images03.olx.com.pk/ui/20/39/...LY-Karachi.jpg

(Mine is yellow w/ black. Waiting for an even better POC... )

and riding a bike in those conditions constitutes an excellent example of risk compensation. Or really, risk over-compensation.


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Old November 4th 12, 07:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 4, 11:40 am, Dan O wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:06 am, wrote:

On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:


Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


I've seen those videos before. Seems to me that putting on an 8 ounce bike helmet...


http://images03.olx.com.pk/ui/20/39/...3633_2-Vintage...

(Mine is yellow w/ black. Waiting for an even better POC... )


(... my wifes Vetta is pink w/ teal - super cute :-)

and riding a bike in those conditions constitutes an excellent example of risk compensation. Or really, risk over-compensation.


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Old November 4th 12, 07:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 4, 11:40 am, Dan O wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:06 am, wrote:

On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:


Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


I've seen those videos before. Seems to me that putting on an 8 ounce bike helmet...


http://images03.olx.com.pk/ui/20/39/...3633_2-Vintage...

(Mine is yellow w/ black. Waiting for an even better POC... )


.... er, I mean black /w yellow, but I have a big red "organic
watermelon" sticker on the back for added visibility

and riding a bike in those conditions constitutes an excellent example of risk compensation. Or really, risk over-compensation.


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Old November 4th 12, 08:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 11/4/2012 6:48 AM, datakoll wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:24 pm, Andre Jute wrote:

On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:


On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:




THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW








(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)








by Andre Jute




[...]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws




According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not




been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to




the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,




there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated




with helmet wear.




I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a




helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause




injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the




ground.




I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.




I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case




a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,




and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.




The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and




the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding




along the road.




--




Dieter Britz




Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)




The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different. Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.




I've fallen on ice and whacked my head and messed up my face. I got

to spend the afternoon at a plastic surgeon's office -- because of my

frameless glasses, which got driven in to my face.



The difference between PDX and Denmark is that my hilly route home

gains more elevation than the highest peak in Denmark by twice.

Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU



-- Jay Beattie.


sssssssssss

Jay, send us an elevation profile ? how's the new cannon frame ?



Gene, this is not in Kansas any mo
http://www.worldmapsonline.com/SU003...doregonmap.htm

nor Denmark!

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Old November 4th 12, 08:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Nov 4, 12:24 pm, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/4/2012 6:48 AM, datakoll wrote:



On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Nov 3, 4:24 pm, Andre Jute wrote:


On Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:56:13 PM UTC, Dieter Britz wrote:


On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 08:55:13 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)


by Andre Jute


[...]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet_laws


According to studies in Australia and New Zealand, there has not


been any reduction in cyclists' deaths that can be attributed to


the introduction of mandatory wearing of helmets. Check the graphs,


there is a gradual reduction in deaths, but with not correlated


with helmet wear.


I can't find a link at the moment, but my son (who must wear a


helmet in Sydney) has found evidence that helmets can even cause


injuries to the neck in falls, where the helmet edge hits the


ground.


I am fortunate in not having to wear a helmet here in Denmark.


I have done so in winter when there is ice on the roads, in case


a car loses control and hits me, but this has never happened,


and this winter I will not wear one - and have a warmer head.


The times when I have slid on ice, I have never hit my head, and


the only injury has been to my (expensive) jacket from sliding


along the road.


--


Dieter Britz


Hello, Dieter: That's why the headline to my post is


THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW


(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)


The numbers make an American case. The situation in Europe is different. Probably in Australia and New Zealand too. But there is no doubt in my mind that the New York study directs the unbiased analyst towards the conclusion that a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.


I've fallen on ice and whacked my head and messed up my face. I got


to spend the afternoon at a plastic surgeon's office -- because of my


frameless glasses, which got driven in to my face.


The difference between PDX and Denmark is that my hilly route home


gains more elevation than the highest peak in Denmark by twice.


Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU


-- Jay Beattie.


sssssssssss


Jay, send us an elevation profile ? how's the new cannon frame ?


Gene, this is not in Kansas any mohttp://www.worldmapsonline.com/SU003...doregonmap.htm

nor Denmark!


Note here how much meandering and switchbacks and such are included to
avoid climbs and descents:

http://library.oregonmetro.gov/files...gment_maps.pdf

.... which I can see from a public interest standpoint, but personally
I say bring it on - that's what gears are gumption are for ("Won't you
tell me, which way to the top"), and as for descending... well, "Mama,
that's where the fun is" :-)

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Old November 4th 12, 09:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 10/29/2012 6:47 PM, datakoll wrote:
well, wahtever.

1) As with motorcycle helmets, enforcement costs will reduce health insurance costs born by the public thru insurance companies insuring the cyclists from head injuries caused by Andre Jute.

if you laughed at that please email. tnaks



I did not read the article by Jute, therefore avoiding brain injury.


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