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New bike for Jay
On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 3:02:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more but that's all I had on the bike. I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Someone on the verge of heat exhaustion or heat stroke is NOT going to be able to exercise after drinking just one 16 ounces bottle of water or energy drink. To give such a person water or energy drink and then leave them is irresponsible. Cheers Elite marathon runners, who average slightly over 20 kph for about two hours normally exceed the often stated "2% weight loss and you lose efficiency" figure. The usual figure mentioned by good marathoners is 7 - 8 Kg during a marathon. Haile Gebrselassie, world champion at the time, was weighed before and after he won Dubai in 2009 and lost 9.8% of his starting body weight. And, timing the top 1,200 top runners at the Boston Marathon, they actually run faster during the last ten miles then during the first. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 8:18:39 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 5:45 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 7/31/2017 4:24 PM, wrote: What,abt the nww bike performance ? I find that new bike performance is limited by my old legs. YMMV ... and lungs. And ticker. Plus, the fire in my belly is largely gone. The fire sometimes comes back, though. We (my wife and I, riding tandem) were on a pretty leisurely club ride a couple weeks ago. A new young guy had showed up, and we were riding along chatting with him. He said he rides to stay in shape for his other sports, etc. As we talked, one of our club members who's notorious for such behavior decided to hit high gear and crank away out front for a while, then wait for the rest of the crew to catch up. When he did that, the newbie suddenly ended our conversation, saying something like "Excuse me now..." and took off. I though "Excuse me???" and told my wife "Let's go." So we reeled him in and were a comfortable ten feet behind when he caught the rabbit. For icing on the cake, our rabbit guy (as he always does) left the leisurely riders for the last five miles or so to crank in at 20 - 25 mph . My wife and I were close behind, and the newbie was a distant third. It was quite satisfying. But with a tandem, terrain is everything. If it weren't fairly flat, we'd happily ride back with the leisurely crowd. (P.S. Don't interpret this tale as a claim that I could stick with Jay, Tom or Duane, let alone James.) I'm old and slow. I wouldn't ride with you because you'd be in the middle of the road. I'd keep saying, "hey Frank, get over here. You're going to get whacked." You would scold me for being a gutter bunny, although I don't ride on the fog line and rarely ride anywhere with a gutter. We'd ride up on Joerg who would have a pannier full of water, a couple CPUs and a growler.. He'd be complaining about psychopaths in cars and the fact that his Gazelle didn't come with factory rack-mounts and room for 35mm steel belted tires or a o-ring chain. He'd have to stop every fifteen minutes to pee. I don't think this NG would want to ride together. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 01/08/2017 11:45 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 8:18:39 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/31/2017 5:45 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 7/31/2017 4:24 PM, wrote: What,abt the nww bike performance ? I find that new bike performance is limited by my old legs. YMMV ... and lungs. And ticker. Plus, the fire in my belly is largely gone. The fire sometimes comes back, though. We (my wife and I, riding tandem) were on a pretty leisurely club ride a couple weeks ago. A new young guy had showed up, and we were riding along chatting with him. He said he rides to stay in shape for his other sports, etc. As we talked, one of our club members who's notorious for such behavior decided to hit high gear and crank away out front for a while, then wait for the rest of the crew to catch up. When he did that, the newbie suddenly ended our conversation, saying something like "Excuse me now..." and took off. I though "Excuse me???" and told my wife "Let's go." So we reeled him in and were a comfortable ten feet behind when he caught the rabbit. For icing on the cake, our rabbit guy (as he always does) left the leisurely riders for the last five miles or so to crank in at 20 - 25 mph . My wife and I were close behind, and the newbie was a distant third. It was quite satisfying. But with a tandem, terrain is everything. If it weren't fairly flat, we'd happily ride back with the leisurely crowd. (P.S. Don't interpret this tale as a claim that I could stick with Jay, Tom or Duane, let alone James.) I'm old and slow. I wouldn't ride with you because you'd be in the middle of the road. I'd keep saying, "hey Frank, get over here. You're going to get whacked." You would scold me for being a gutter bunny, although I don't ride on the fog line and rarely ride anywhere with a gutter. We'd ride up on Joerg who would have a pannier full of water, a couple CPUs and a growler. He'd be complaining about psychopaths in cars and the fact that his Gazelle didn't come with factory rack-mounts and room for 35mm steel belted tires or a o-ring chain. He'd have to stop every fifteen minutes to pee. I don't think this NG would want to ride together. :-) Imagine that though... lol |
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slow enough with the new bike review n how you arrived at the gravel geo
your riding background beats us all n you know it. gravelers ? AM, myself, J ? CX ? MTB ? |
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On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:56:44 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-27 10:50, wrote: I know 5-6 fast commuters but its expensive ... Like this? https://corporatejetinvestor.com/wp-.../Falcon_8X.jpg Where was the foto taken? |
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On 2017-08-01 10:19, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 10:56:44 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-27 10:50, wrote: I know 5-6 fast commuters but its expensive ... Like this? https://corporatejetinvestor.com/wp-.../Falcon_8X.jpg Where was the foto taken? No idea. Greece has a lot of such islands but I don't know where they took the photo. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-07-31 20:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/31/2017 4:09 PM, jbeattie wrote: Well, I felt good enough to go out yesterday for a 55 mile ride with about 20 miles of steady or rolling hills, during which time I drank one 24oz bottle of Hammer Heed and a quarter of a 21oz bottle of water -- plus a Cliff Bar. My ride was about 40 miles, pretty hilly (for me), 85 degrees, sunny and about 75% humidity. I used up two standard water bottles. I was definitely ready for the big glass of orange juice and another bottle of water at the end. If "definitely ready" means you were craving liquids that is a sign that you were quite dehydrated. Once in a while that shouldn't hurt but pushing that far on a regular basis can result in long term health consequences. I simply avoid such situations by carrying excess. Usually I bring home 20-30oz of unused water or I give some away to folks who didn't carry enough (there's lots of those). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 8/1/2017 11:45 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 8:18:39 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/31/2017 5:45 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 7/31/2017 4:24 PM, wrote: What,abt the nww bike performance ? I find that new bike performance is limited by my old legs. YMMV ... and lungs. And ticker. Plus, the fire in my belly is largely gone. The fire sometimes comes back, though. We (my wife and I, riding tandem) were on a pretty leisurely club ride a couple weeks ago. A new young guy had showed up, and we were riding along chatting with him. He said he rides to stay in shape for his other sports, etc. As we talked, one of our club members who's notorious for such behavior decided to hit high gear and crank away out front for a while, then wait for the rest of the crew to catch up. When he did that, the newbie suddenly ended our conversation, saying something like "Excuse me now..." and took off. I though "Excuse me???" and told my wife "Let's go." So we reeled him in and were a comfortable ten feet behind when he caught the rabbit. For icing on the cake, our rabbit guy (as he always does) left the leisurely riders for the last five miles or so to crank in at 20 - 25 mph . My wife and I were close behind, and the newbie was a distant third. It was quite satisfying. But with a tandem, terrain is everything. If it weren't fairly flat, we'd happily ride back with the leisurely crowd. (P.S. Don't interpret this tale as a claim that I could stick with Jay, Tom or Duane, let alone James.) I'm old and slow. I wouldn't ride with you because you'd be in the middle of the road. I'd keep saying, "hey Frank, get over here. You're going to get whacked." You would scold me for being a gutter bunny, although I don't ride on the fog line and rarely ride anywhere with a gutter. We'd ride up on Joerg who would have a pannier full of water, a couple CPUs and a growler. He'd be complaining about psychopaths in cars and the fact that his Gazelle didn't come with factory rack-mounts and room for 35mm steel belted tires or a o-ring chain. He'd have to stop every fifteen minutes to pee. I don't think this NG would want to ride together. Anyone ever ride with (or even meet) anyone they first got to know through r.b.*? I've met several guys I can think of quickly, and almost met one other one. (That last one, we were going to host on his bike tour until his route had to change.) I hosted two other r.b.* denizens at various times, and was hosted by one other one on one of our tours. Another few were at one or more cycling advocacy events I attended - although come to think of it, I may have encountered those guys on other discussion groups. Online, I had generally agreed with most of these guys on most topics. One or two guys and I had very different opinions on one particular topic, but in each case, meeting the guys in person and riding with them was very pleasant indeed. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2017-07-31 21:41, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 3:02:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-31 11:31, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:34:00 AM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2017-07-28 15:57, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, David Scheidt wrote: Joy Beeson wrote: :On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:39:03 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: : Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. :When I could ride that far, a bottle would last about ten miles. Jay's a camel. Not like Jobst. I fill up big bottles. I just don't take more than two -- except on rare occasion. When selecting a bike, I don't go into the store and ask for an '80s Euro-sport bike with a rack so I can haul gallons of water on a day ride. Joerg has peculiar needs. I'm fine with a couple of bottle bosses and 160mm brake rotors on a gravel bike. If I were riding trails in the middle of nowhere, I might consider a camel back or some other option, but I'm not. I'm never that far from water on a day ride. http://www.performancebike.com/webap...HydrationGuide Quote: "Carry and consume one 16-24oz bottle of plain water, plus one extra 16-24oz bottle of an energy drink for each hour on the bike". Most of my rides are 4-5h and I am a tall guy who is more at the upper end of the water requirement scale. So there. Yes, this also applies to Oregonians since they have a store in Portland :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ That's NUTS! They're teling you that you have to drink an 8 ounces cup (250 ml) of liquid every FIFTEEN minutes! That's if you use the smaller 16 0unces capacity NOT the 24 ounces sizes. 2 x 16 = 32 ounces divided by 8 = 4 and 1 hour devided by 4 is 15 minutes. If you use two 24 ounces bottles you have 48 ounces divided by 4 = 12 ounces evey fifteen minutes which is 1.5 cups per quarter hour. Gads at that rate for a 4 hour + ride you'd dang near need a trailer just for your liquids! Over 4-5h of hard MTB riding on a 95-100F day I find that 1-1/2 gallons of liquids is adequate. But not less than that. I could have used more but that's all I had on the bike. I have met plenty of people on trails who thought like you, that this was ridiculous and all that. They did not look too well healthwise and sometimes I gave them one of my bottles. In one case almost all my water because the guy appeared close to heading towards the eternal trails. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Someone on the verge of heat exhaustion or heat stroke is NOT going to be able to exercise after drinking just one 16 ounces bottle of water or energy drink. To give such a person water or energy drink and then leave them is irresponsible. Cheers Elite marathon runners, who average slightly over 20 kph for about two hours normally exceed the often stated "2% weight loss and you lose efficiency" figure. The usual figure mentioned by good marathoners is 7 - 8 Kg during a marathon. Haile Gebrselassie, world champion at the time, was weighed before and after he won Dubai in 2009 and lost 9.8% of his starting body weight. And, timing the top 1,200 top runners at the Boston Marathon, they actually run faster during the last ten miles then during the first. Many push themselves way too hard and endanger their long term health. It can also end like this: http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...re-id522295640 Ot this: http://www.granfondoguide.com/Conten...nior-road-race -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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