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Standing while climbing bad?
This may be a dumb post but...
I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste. Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire. Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the hill; over bumps and all. As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? |
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Standing while climbing bad?
As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing
steep climbs? It's hard to judge - sometimes on the sandy stuff it is the only way to get the momentum back up. Eventually you can feel the terrain and pedal slowly to avoid the spin and bob. Of course I ride the Epic or a RockHopper, so effectively always have a hard tail in these situ's ;-) |
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Standing while climbing bad?
Destroy wrote:
This may be a dumb post but... I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste. Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire. Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the hill; over bumps and all. As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? Depends on your technique, I believe. As a roadie from way back, I've learned an efficient circular pedaling motion, and can do a pretty good job of standing and pedaling without bouncing the sx too much. I won't assert that my standing is more efficient or powerful than sitting, since I could be scrubbing off power before it gets to the pedals, just trying to move smoothly. And yes, on the typical dirt trail the rear wheel spins easily. But you can sit your butt back to dig it in. I find that that's not all that useful for me - it's hard. The slopes on the Slickrock Trail are steep enough that standing is a virtual necessity, and also any bouncing you do is very costly since you need all your power to get up the hill. -- -- Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine. |
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Standing while climbing bad?
"Destroy" wrote in message ... This may be a dumb post but... I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste. Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire. Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the hill; over bumps and all. As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? I think it depends on how the full sus bike is built (how it handles). When you climb standing, you usually try to use your body weight to help your pedalling force. As a result, you create more vertical momentum, and therefore the suspension kicks in. I think more bob will occur on bikes that have their suspension designed to react more to vertical movements(?), for lack of a better description. When you climb seated (assuming you don't bob your head or pull on your arms too much), most of the pedalling force will be in a circular motion round the BB so there's less vertical momentum. Traction is all about where your weight is on the bike when you're climbing. When seated, more weight is on the rear tyre (usually), so the rear wheel seldom spins out. When you climb standing, you move your weight forward and also increase your pedalling force(supposedly), so your rear wheel would be more likely to spin. You could move your weight more to the rear while climbing standing but your position might be more uncomfortable and result in poorer energy efficiency (i.e. get tired from climbing standing faster). Hope you get a better idea now. bloocow - thesis of a rigid rider |
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Standing while climbing bad?
Destroy wrote:
As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? The smoother you can spin, the less pedal induced bobbing you'll get. There will always be some (no matter how many links the whizbang suspension design uses), but if you're not just lurching from front pedal to front pedal it won't be too bad. Smooth circles also help you prevent the rear wheel from breaking loose. I've been able to get up steep sandy pitches my more technically adept MTB buddies can't, simply because years of spinning smooth circles on the road allow me to maintain traction (on a hard tail, BTW). As far as it not "feeling right", just remember - the more you do it, the better it will feel. Theoretically you'll use a little more energy overall, but it also gives you a chance to recruit some fresh muscles and to stretch the ones that have been doing the most work. If you get to the point where you can stand for several minutes at a time you'll find you're a much better climber with more endurance. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame |
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Standing while climbing bad?
Destroy wrote in message ...
As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? Only if you are riding a poorly designed bike and/or have poor technique. The more you ride your bike, the more you learn on your own instead of desperately trying to glean "experience" from others who may not have much. JD |
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Standing while climbing bad?
You heart rate goes 10% faster (according to my doc)
when standing during a clime, but sometimes you have to. -- - Zilla Cary, NC (Remove XSPAM) "Destroy" wrote in message ... This may be a dumb post but... I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in order to try and clear a fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste. Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire. Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the hill; over bumps and all. As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? |
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"Destroy" wrote As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? Whatever gets you up the hill. Pete |
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Standing while climbing bad?
I was low on energy today and tried standing up for the first time in
order to try and clear a fairly steep medium length climb and it seemed like a total waste. Seems stepping down hard on the pedals while standing did nothing but create massive 'bob' or bounce. Or it spun up the rear tire. Was really amazing 'feeling' how much energy was lost in the bounce when standing. I don't notice this at all when in the normal sitting leaned slightly forward stance. Heck, when sitting I feel like I have traction control or something. I just pedal smoothly and hard, and I ride right up the hill; over bumps and all. As a general rule, is it bad to stand on a full susp mtn bike when doing steep climbs? General answer would be, yes it's bad. Lock suspension and then it's start to make sense. But, with some experience one can pedal smooth out of seat and distribute weight so the he does not lose grip. But, but, correct me if I'm wrong, this is not an energy saver. So I would say, lock if you ride out of saddle or switch to lower gear if you are tired. D' |
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Standing while climbing bad?
I most never stand or walk. When I see someone
walking up a hill I call out thats why you have pedals now get on and pedal. During racing when I want and need to pass I do stand and along with the way I have my bike set up total package I won 1st place in a race every racer were half my age and more. I turn 50 in just 4 months. Fire up MTB 03 |
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