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Friend tries to hone his marketing skills
Monday Night (over beer and Eagles Football) a good friend was talking
about the great deal he got on a full carbon Cannondale frame at a swap meeting at the Lehigh Velodrome near Allentown, PA. After going on about what I am sure was a great deal for him, he says: "I have to get you on a real bike." I said Ed, if you can convince me to swap out the comfort and general ergonomics of either of my recumbents for a narrow, miserable rigid carbon saddle, then you are far better salesmen than I ever imagined! Long Live Recumbents! Jim Reilly |
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"stratrider" wrote in message ... Monday Night (over beer and Eagles Football) a good friend was talking about the great deal he got on a full carbon Cannondale frame at a swap meeting at the Lehigh Velodrome near Allentown, PA. After going on about what I am sure was a great deal for him, he says: "I have to get you on a real bike." I said Ed, if you can convince me to swap out the comfort and general ergonomics of either of my recumbents for a narrow, miserable rigid carbon saddle, then you are far better salesmen than I ever imagined! Long Live Recumbents! Jim Reilly Hi Jim! Have you decided which of your two recumbents you like to ride around town the best yet? I am not talking about crossing the state of Pennsylvania, but only around town. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Oct 29, 8:48*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
Hi Jim! Have you decided which of your two recumbents you like to ride around town the best yet? I am not talking about crossing the state of Pennsylvania, but only around town. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Hello Ed. Your loyalty to ARBR is remarkable. Hell you've outlasted many recumbent companies (BikeE, Vision, Burley just to name a few)! As for the bikes Ed, I am locked onto my 2002 Bachetta Strada. This year I did two metric centuries and the 5 Day Bike Virginia ride on it not to mention regular commuting and weekend rides. I still have my 10 year old Stratus but my daughter is riding that now. She loves it! What are you riding these days? Have you had any early snow yet? Jim |
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"stratrider" wrote in message ... On Oct 29, 8:48 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: Hi Jim! Have you decided which of your two recumbents you like to ride around town the best yet? I am not talking about crossing the state of Pennsylvania, but only around town. Hello Ed. Your loyalty to ARBR is remarkable. Hell you've outlasted many recumbent companies (BikeE, Vision, Burley just to name a few)! Once I know Tom Sherman has left these cycling newsgroups for good, I will probably leave too. I am here mainly to see that he never gets the last word on anything not having to do with recumbents. As for the bikes Ed, I am locked onto my 2002 Bachetta Strada. This year I did two metric centuries and the 5 Day Bike Virginia ride on it not to mention regular commuting and weekend rides. I still have my 10 year old Stratus but my daughter is riding that now. She loves it! Not everyone who switches to SWB after having been on LWB loves them like you do. In fact, I know several recumbent riders who started off on SWB and ended up on LWB. As you know, I much prefer LWB myself. What are you riding these days? Have you had any early snow yet? I am still riding my Vision set up LWB in the summer time, but I switch to my homemade Tour Easy for spring and fall rides. Unlike you, I do not do tours anymore. I stay in town and that seems like enough for me at my advanced age (73). Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Oct 30, 7:13*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
I am still riding my Vision set up LWB in the summer time, but I switch to my homemade Tour Easy for spring and fall rides. Unlike you, I do not do tours anymore. I stay in town and that seems like enough for me at my advanced age (73). Ed, the FIRST recumbent I ever saw and ultimately rode was a 1997 Vision R40 LWB! It was the bike that started it all for me! Looking back I realize now that the reasons I stayed away from that bike were not inherent in the bike but rather in the poor setup. The bike shop could barely spell RECUMBENT! I know that now. On the subject of SWB vs LWB, make no mistake. While I am faster on the SWB Strada, the high racer design sacrifices some ergonomics for performance. The high BB allows me to deliver much more power to pedal (maybe too much as my knees remind me). But few will agrue that having your feet that high off the ground make ergonomic sense. As I have posted before years ago, I still believe that the LWB low BB design is a timeless, rock solid design. Find one post from ANY source bashing the GRR/TE bicycle. It just doesn't happen! The low BB instills confidence. Your feet are where they should be; below your body! On a mountain descent, you cannot beat the stablily of the LWB bike! The only issues I have with this design are the increased potential for "recumbent butt" and the issue of carrying replacement tubes and tires for two different size wheels. That makes me wonder about the RANS dual 650 LWB designs. I'd love to get on one of those! Jim |
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"stratrider" wrote in message ... On Oct 30, 7:13 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: I am still riding my Vision set up LWB in the summer time, but I switch to my homemade Tour Easy for spring and fall rides. Unlike you, I do not do tours anymore. I stay in town and that seems like enough for me at my advanced age (73). Ed, the FIRST recumbent I ever saw and ultimately rode was a 1997 Vision R40 LWB! It was the bike that started it all for me! Looking back I realize now that the reasons I stayed away from that bike were not inherent in the bike but rather in the poor setup. The bike shop could barely spell RECUMBENT! I know that now. On the subject of SWB vs LWB, make no mistake. While I am faster on the SWB Strada, the high racer design sacrifices some ergonomics for performance. The high BB allows me to deliver much more power to pedal (maybe too much as my knees remind me). But few will agrue that having your feet that high off the ground make ergonomic sense. As I have posted before years ago, I still believe that the LWB low BB design is a timeless, rock solid design. Find one post from ANY source bashing the GRR/TE bicycle. It just doesn't happen! The low BB instills confidence. Your feet are where they should be; below your body! On a mountain descent, you cannot beat the stablily of the LWB bike! The only issues I have with this design are the increased potential for "recumbent butt" and the issue of carrying replacement tubes and tires for two different size wheels. That makes me wonder about the RANS dual 650 LWB designs. I'd love to get on one of those! I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum. The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't think the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher BB would greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the seat back more. The problem I have with all short SWB recumbents is that control is not as good as with LWB. Also, unlike you, I will get foot numbness on SWB after about an hour or so due to the high BB. My Vision LWB is my most comfortable recumbent. Nothing else even comes close to it. But even so, it is not as rock solid as the Tour Easy. I have my Vision set up with a 20" front wheel, although I think a 16" front wheel would also work just fine and I use over the seat steering, never having liked any kind of under seat steering. My first recumbent was the Infinity, a LWB with under seat steering. I still like the looks of it, but you have to be careful on it. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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stratrider aka Jim Reilly wrote:
[...] Ed, the FIRST recumbent I ever saw and ultimately rode was a 1997 Vision R40 LWB! It was the bike that started it all for me! Looking back I realize now that the reasons I stayed away from that bike were not inherent in the bike but rather in the poor setup. The bike shop could barely spell RECUMBENT! I know that now.[...] If they could spell "recumbent", they are ahead of the former "Recumbant Barn" shop, home of the late and unlamented Red Bent and Black Bent. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...] I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum. The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't think the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher BB would greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the seat back more.[...] Wonder of wonders, Fred Markham apparently agrees [1] with you. [1] http://www.easyracers.com/07-javelin.htm. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum. The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't think the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher BB would greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the seat back more.[...] Wonder of wonders, Fred Markham apparently agrees [1] with you. [1] http://www.easyracers.com/07-javelin.htm. Easy Racers never gets the height of the crank in relation to the seat quite right. Most of their recumbents have set the crank way too low, but the Javelin sets it too high. It reminds me most of my RANS V-2. Admittedly, if you do not get foot numbness from too high a crank I suppose such bikes are OK, but even so, they do NOT maximize power to the pedal nor control either. For that to happen, you need a crank somewhat below the seat, probably about 4 to 6 inches. A good example of the kind of recumbent I am thinking of is the new Bacchetta LWB. I think they have got it about right, give or take a few inches. http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumb...s/bellaatt.htm By the way, if I were getting a recumbent for the first time, I would get the above Bacchetta. I have over a dozen different recumbents cluttering up the house that I have collected over the past 30 years. Yes, that is how long and how many bikes it took me to figure it out! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum. The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't think the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher BB would greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the seat back more.[...] Wonder of wonders, Fred Markham apparently agrees [1] with you. [1] http://www.easyracers.com/07-javelin.htm. Easy Racers never gets the height of the crank in relation to the seat quite right. Most of their recumbents have set the crank way too low, but the Javelin sets it too high. It reminds me most of my RANS V-2. Admittedly, if you do not get foot numbness from too high a crank I suppose such bikes are OK, but even so, they do NOT maximize power to the pedal nor control either. For that to happen, you need a crank somewhat below the seat, probably about 4 to 6 inches. I like the crank about 8 to 10 inches above the seat. A good example of the kind of recumbent I am thinking of is the new Bacchetta LWB. I think they have got it about right, give or take a few inches. http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumb...s/bellaatt.htm You could forgive people for mistaking the Bella ATT for a RANS Status. By the way, if I were getting a recumbent for the first time, I would get the above Bacchetta. I have over a dozen different recumbents cluttering up the house that I have collected over the past 30 years. Yes, that is how long and how many bikes it took me to figure it out! Too bad the RANS Tailwind [1] is out of production due to large wheel prejudice. [1] And RANS Rocket. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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