559 is dead?

wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders.

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs.
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders.

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs.
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Because of the concussion I sustained my memory isn't what it should be. However I seem to remember fitting V-brakes to a drop bar touring bike with brifters on it.

Someplace else I've seen it noted that you have to use MTB levers to use V-brakes.

And anyone clarify that for me? The Ridley cross bike I have is perfect in every respect except the hand pressure required to go down very steep drops at a controllable speed. A mile and a half of 10% leaves me almost crippled.

I presently have Shimano cantilevers on it.

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders.

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs.
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Roger - most of the 27.5's I've seen have been fatter. So it might only be a regional thing.

On 4/20/2016 11:08 AM, wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders.

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs.
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Because of the concussion I sustained my memory isn't what it should be. However I seem to remember fitting V-brakes to a drop bar touring bike with brifters on it.

Someplace else I've seen it noted that you have to use MTB levers to use V-brakes.

And anyone clarify that for me? The Ridley cross bike I have is perfect in every respect except the hand pressure required to go down very steep drops at a controllable speed. A mile and a half of 10% leaves me almost crippled.

I presently have Shimano cantilevers on it.


Yes, the specified cable travel is different between
sidepull/centerpull/cantilever (less travel) and linear V
brake (more travel) [1]

There are cable travel adapter units (a two-step pulley
system) for linear brakes with standard levers, not too
expensive. These are straightforward to set up, well
developed (not new), standard equipment on Santana tandems
for example. I think that may be what you want here.

Cantilever cable travel (leverage) as Frank noted earlier
may be slightly increased or decreased by changing
transverse wire length up or down from the recommended
"90-degrees when pads touch" standard setup. That may be
helpful to you, not sure how much is enough.

[1] Mafac systems required slightly more cable travel than
other brands but they closed long ago the rest as a group
are all quite similar.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 10:59:07 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/20/2016 11:08 AM, wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders.

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs.
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Because of the concussion I sustained my memory isn't what it should be.. However I seem to remember fitting V-brakes to a drop bar touring bike with brifters on it.

Someplace else I've seen it noted that you have to use MTB levers to use V-brakes.

And anyone clarify that for me? The Ridley cross bike I have is perfect in every respect except the hand pressure required to go down very steep drops at a controllable speed. A mile and a half of 10% leaves me almost crippled.

I presently have Shimano cantilevers on it.


Yes, the specified cable travel is different between
sidepull/centerpull/cantilever (less travel) and linear V
brake (more travel) [1]

There are cable travel adapter units (a two-step pulley
system) for linear brakes with standard levers, not too
expensive. These are straightforward to set up, well
developed (not new), standard equipment on Santana tandems
for example. I think that may be what you want here.

Cantilever cable travel (leverage) as Frank noted earlier
may be slightly increased or decreased by changing
transverse wire length up or down from the recommended
"90-degrees when pads touch" standard setup. That may be
helpful to you, not sure how much is enough.

[1] Mafac systems required slightly more cable travel than
other brands but they closed long ago the rest as a group
are all quite similar.

Frank would love this: http://www.circleacycles.com/cantile...i-geometry.pdf It's Greek to me, although I probably understand more Greek. I do know that I was never able to get my Shimano or Paul NeoRetros to work all that well with STI levers -- nor could some of my buddies who rode cyclocross. I tried a lot of different configurations with the straddle cable (including a longer carrier) which helped a little. I'm glad those days are behind me.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:30:16 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 10:59:07 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/20/2016 11:08 AM, wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders..

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs.
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Because of the concussion I sustained my memory isn't what it should be. However I seem to remember fitting V-brakes to a drop bar touring bike with brifters on it.

Someplace else I've seen it noted that you have to use MTB levers to use V-brakes.

And anyone clarify that for me? The Ridley cross bike I have is perfect in every respect except the hand pressure required to go down very steep drops at a controllable speed. A mile and a half of 10% leaves me almost crippled.

I presently have Shimano cantilevers on it.


Yes, the specified cable travel is different between
sidepull/centerpull/cantilever (less travel) and linear V
brake (more travel) [1]

There are cable travel adapter units (a two-step pulley
system) for linear brakes with standard levers, not too
expensive. These are straightforward to set up, well
developed (not new), standard equipment on Santana tandems
for example. I think that may be what you want here.

Cantilever cable travel (leverage) as Frank noted earlier
may be slightly increased or decreased by changing
transverse wire length up or down from the recommended
"90-degrees when pads touch" standard setup. That may be
helpful to you, not sure how much is enough.

[1] Mafac systems required slightly more cable travel than
other brands but they closed long ago the rest as a group
are all quite similar.

Frank would love this: http://www.circleacycles.com/cantile...i-geometry.pdf It's Greek to me, although I probably understand more Greek. I do know that I was never able to get my Shimano or Paul NeoRetros to work all that well with STI levers -- nor could some of my buddies who rode cyclocross. I tried a lot of different configurations with the straddle cable (including a longer carrier) which helped a little. I'm glad those days are behind me.

-- Jay Beattie.

My Campy Mirage 2001 9-speed Ergos work very well with my cantilever brakes on my touring bike. so much so, that I'd like to get another pair for my dropbar MTB.

Cheers

On 4/20/2016 2:30 PM, jbeattie wrote:


Frank would love this: http://www.circleacycles.com/cantile...i-geometry.pdf

I do like it a lot!

In all my years of teaching, I focused on problems and projects more
related to industrial practice. (For example, in my robotics class,
teams of students had to design, build, program and fully document an
actual, working robotic workcell, using our industrial robots.)

But one year when I was close to retirement, I had one small class with
all strong students. I decided to have a little fun, and assigned them
a bunch of short bike-related projects. I think we all enjoyed them.

Another time, a student approached me and asked for permission to do
extra projects for advanced credit in a Mechanics class. So, I assigned
him a study of mechanical advantage of various bicycle brakes.

He was a very sharp kid, but he was working nearly full time, and never
had time to complete the extra projects. Too bad! He'd have produced
something like the canti geometry paper.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:18:05 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 2:30:16 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 10:59:07 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/20/2016 11:08 AM, wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:20:11 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/2/2016 2:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:
who knew?


http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...dated-spline-o
ne-mtb-wheel-range-details-spec-pricing-46735/

There are still some cruiser bikes using 559, but even stores like
Walmart are selling mostly 27.5" and 29" mountain bikes.

When Huffy and Roadmaster moved to 27.5 and 29 it was pretty clear that
559 was over.

It was surprising to me when looking for a mountain bike for the spousal
unit how few 559 models were still available. The ones that I saw were
the very very low end department store models, or entry level bike shop
bikes.

After you've ridden a 29" offroad there isn't any question about how
superior it is to a 26". And the 27,5" is good for shorter riders.

comparing like to like? I mean I have a 29er fairly new FS MTB, compared
to my old 26in Hardtail yes it's a far better machine but was more
expensive and technology has moved on massivly.

riding with others, with 27.5 etc the differences seem fairly mild, to be
honest mostly due to riders skill/fitness than the tech.

Roger

What I meant is that similar machines with either 26" or 29" wheels the
difference is immediately detectable since the 29er will roll over
terrain that the 26er would strike and stop on. Frankly I was rather
awestruck if I might use a term that I do not care for.

None of this was due to superior suspension or full suspension vs..
hardtails. It is simply a case of a larger diameter tire rolling over
rough terrain very much easier.

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Because of the concussion I sustained my memory isn't what it should be. However I seem to remember fitting V-brakes to a drop bar touring bike with brifters on it.

Someplace else I've seen it noted that you have to use MTB levers to use V-brakes.

And anyone clarify that for me? The Ridley cross bike I have is perfect in every respect except the hand pressure required to go down very steep drops at a controllable speed. A mile and a half of 10% leaves me almost crippled.

I presently have Shimano cantilevers on it.


Yes, the specified cable travel is different between
sidepull/centerpull/cantilever (less travel) and linear V
brake (more travel) [1]

There are cable travel adapter units (a two-step pulley
system) for linear brakes with standard levers, not too
expensive. These are straightforward to set up, well
developed (not new), standard equipment on Santana tandems
for example. I think that may be what you want here.

Cantilever cable travel (leverage) as Frank noted earlier
may be slightly increased or decreased by changing
transverse wire length up or down from the recommended
"90-degrees when pads touch" standard setup. That may be
helpful to you, not sure how much is enough.

[1] Mafac systems required slightly more cable travel than
other brands but they closed long ago the rest as a group
are all quite similar.

Frank would love this: http://www.circleacycles.com/cantile...i-geometry.pdf It's Greek to me, although I probably understand more Greek. I do know that I was never able to get my Shimano or Paul NeoRetros to work all that well with STI levers -- nor could some of my buddies who rode cyclocross. I tried a lot of different configurations with the straddle cable (including a longer carrier) which helped a little. I'm glad those days are behind me.

-- Jay Beattie.

My Campy Mirage 2001 9-speed Ergos work very well with my cantilever brakes on my touring bike. so much so, that I'd like to get another pair for my dropbar MTB.

Cheers

I had 7sp Ergo levers (Sachs first version of the Ergos) on my tandem with Scott SE and later a Paul NeoRetro rear, and they worked O.K. -- except for rim heating on long downhills, which is a problem with any rim brake. I haven't run this to ground, but it is probably the case that the two levers pull different amounts of cable and behave differently with cantis. I will defer to someone who knows.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 4/20/2016 10:35 PM, jbeattie wrote:
... I will defer to someone who knows.

sigh Another Usenet tradition bites the dust!

--
- Frank Krygowski

wrote:

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:

large snips

I never noticed much differnce, or rather was mild though the old 26in
in it's orginal MTB use I had fitted it with DH/Endro tyres so rolled
well over objects on the whole. though where rather slow rolling.

27.5 + tyres should be about the same size as a 29er though have to say
most i've seen in the flesh so far have looked thiner than the Hans I
have on my MTB (29er)

Roger Merriman

Roger - most of the 27.5's I've seen have been fatter. So it might only be
a regional thing.

the ones I had seen had been a bit undersized, though the 27.5+ Nobbly
Nics seem the full deal.

Roger Merriman