I broke a seat post.

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:28:41 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/4/2014 8:15 PM, John B. wrote:

On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 08:13:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote:



On 4/3/2014 8:57

PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:

tubes are made from flat sheets then welded into tubes with a seam ...



amazing. mine break of under the saddle holder.



Once bit...there's a spare on hand at uhuhuh 24.7869 mm





Tubes and pipes may be seamless or seamed:



http://www.tubecon.co.za/en/technica...i/tube-vs-pipe



Plenty of examples both ways.



Your example seemed to be primarily a supplier of steel goods while a

company who appears to supply both steel and aluminum goods

http://www.onealsteel.com/aluminum-tube.html

seems to have this to say:



There are different kinds of aluminum tubing, with the most common and

least expensive being extruded aluminum tube. Extruded tube is

manufactured using the porthole method to produce a seamless, strong

tube. Aluminum tubes with walls too thin to be extruded are

manufactured by rolling and welding narrow aluminum strip. Welded

tube is fairly inexpensive and is used for light support products such

as lawn furniture, toys and drains.



His 6061 and 6063 aluminum tube is all extruded.



In mitigation I might add that all of the stainless steel tubing I've

seen in the past 10 years, or so, has been welded.





I replaced damaged tubes on a 1919 JIC race bike which had

thin wall (0.9)steel seamed tubes. With brazed seams no

less. Fairly light frame, probably the bees knees for 1919.



--

Andrew Muzi

www.yellowjersey.org/

Open every day since 1 April, 1971

.....................

1919 JIC photo and weight ?

are carbon post owners replacing the $200 posts in time or mileage ?

I mean like if the Kalloy snap off then what ? expect some footage from the 24 hrs of Moab ?

DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
John B. wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:

tubes are made from flat sheets then welded into tubes with a seam ...
amazing. mine break of under the saddle holder.
Once bit...there's a spare on hand at uhuhuh 24.7869 mm

Tubes and pipes may be seamless or seamed:
http://www.tubecon.co.za/en/technica...i/tube-vs-pipe
Plenty of examples both ways.

Your example seemed to be primarily a supplier of steel goods while a
company who appears to supply both steel and aluminum goods
http://www.onealsteel.com/aluminum-tube.html
seems to have this to say:
There are different kinds of aluminum tubing, with the most common and
least expensive being extruded aluminum tube. Extruded tube is
manufactured using the porthole method to produce a seamless, strong
tube. Aluminum tubes with walls too thin to be extruded are
manufactured by rolling and welding narrow aluminum strip. Welded
tube is fairly inexpensive and is used for light support products such
as lawn furniture, toys and drains.
His 6061 and 6063 aluminum tube is all extruded.
In mitigation I might add that all of the stainless steel tubing I've
seen in the past 10 years, or so, has been welded.

I replaced damaged tubes on a 1919 JIC race bike which had
thin wall (0.9)steel seamed tubes. With brazed seams no
less. Fairly light frame, probably the bees knees for 1919.

....................
1919 JIC photo and weight ?
are carbon post owners replacing the $200 posts in time or mileage ?
I mean like if the Kalloy snap off then what ? expect some footage from the 24 hrs of Moab ?


Didn't weigh it but not bad, maybe 5lb or so.
Low on this page:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/us70.html

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:28:41 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/4/2014 8:15 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 08:13:55 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/3/2014 8:57
PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
tubes are made from flat sheets then welded into tubes with a seam ...

amazing. mine break of under the saddle holder.

Once bit...there's a spare on hand at uhuhuh 24.7869 mm


Tubes and pipes may be seamless or seamed:

http://www.tubecon.co.za/en/technica...i/tube-vs-pipe

Plenty of examples both ways.

Your example seemed to be primarily a supplier of steel goods while a
company who appears to supply both steel and aluminum goods
http://www.onealsteel.com/aluminum-tube.html
seems to have this to say:

There are different kinds of aluminum tubing, with the most common and
least expensive being extruded aluminum tube. Extruded tube is
manufactured using the porthole method to produce a seamless, strong
tube. Aluminum tubes with walls too thin to be extruded are
manufactured by rolling and welding narrow aluminum strip. Welded
tube is fairly inexpensive and is used for light support products such
as lawn furniture, toys and drains.

His 6061 and 6063 aluminum tube is all extruded.

In mitigation I might add that all of the stainless steel tubing I've
seen in the past 10 years, or so, has been welded.


I replaced damaged tubes on a 1919 JIC race bike which had
thin wall (0.9)steel seamed tubes. With brazed seams no
less. Fairly light frame, probably the bees knees for 1919.

The first plant for making thin wall seamless tubing seems to have
been opened in 1895, apparently essentially to support the bicycle
making industry as the article states that "As bicycle manufacturing
gave way to auto manufacturing, seamless tubes were still needed for
gasoline and oil lines"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:16:26 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:

AMuzi wrote:

John B. wrote:

AMuzi wrote:

PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:



tubes are made from flat sheets then welded into tubes with a seam ...

amazing. mine break of under the saddle holder.

Once bit...there's a spare on hand at uhuhuh 24.7869 mm



Tubes and pipes may be seamless or seamed:

http://www.tubecon.co.za/en/technica...i/tube-vs-pipe

Plenty of examples both ways.



Your example seemed to be primarily a supplier of steel goods while a

company who appears to supply both steel and aluminum goods

http://www.onealsteel.com/aluminum-tube.html

seems to have this to say:

There are different kinds of aluminum tubing, with the most common and

least expensive being extruded aluminum tube. Extruded tube is

manufactured using the porthole method to produce a seamless, strong

tube. Aluminum tubes with walls too thin to be extruded are

manufactured by rolling and welding narrow aluminum strip. Welded

tube is fairly inexpensive and is used for light support products such

as lawn furniture, toys and drains.

His 6061 and 6063 aluminum tube is all extruded.

In mitigation I might add that all of the stainless steel tubing I've

seen in the past 10 years, or so, has been welded.



I replaced damaged tubes on a 1919 JIC race bike which had

thin wall (0.9)steel seamed tubes. With brazed seams no

less. Fairly light frame, probably the bees knees for 1919.



....................

1919 JIC photo and weight ?

are carbon post owners replacing the $200 posts in time or mileage ?

I mean like if the Kalloy snap off then what ? expect some footage from the 24 hrs of Moab ?





Didn't weigh it but not bad, maybe 5lb or so.

Low on this page:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/us70.html



--

Andrew Muzi

www.yellowjersey.org/

Open every day since 1 April, 1971

........................

I see a hand on the last photo. frames small ? as here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leon_Georget_1909.jpg

photos are infrequent ! Georget and Mr Diamond.

where was the 1919 JIS from ? southern California ? Arizona ?

an attic of a four gable 3 story.

On 4/5/2014 10:37 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:16:26 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:

AMuzi wrote:

John B. wrote:

AMuzi wrote:

PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:



tubes are made from flat sheets then welded into tubes with a seam ...

amazing. mine break of under the saddle holder.

Once bit...there's a spare on hand at uhuhuh 24.7869 mm



Tubes and pipes may be seamless or seamed:

http://www.tubecon.co.za/en/technica...i/tube-vs-pipe

Plenty of examples both ways.



Your example seemed to be primarily a supplier of steel goods while a

company who appears to supply both steel and aluminum goods

http://www.onealsteel.com/aluminum-tube.html

seems to have this to say:

There are different kinds of aluminum tubing, with the most common and

least expensive being extruded aluminum tube. Extruded tube is

manufactured using the porthole method to produce a seamless, strong

tube. Aluminum tubes with walls too thin to be extruded are

manufactured by rolling and welding narrow aluminum strip. Welded

tube is fairly inexpensive and is used for light support products such

as lawn furniture, toys and drains.

His 6061 and 6063 aluminum tube is all extruded.

In mitigation I might add that all of the stainless steel tubing I've

seen in the past 10 years, or so, has been welded.



I replaced damaged tubes on a 1919 JIC race bike which had

thin wall (0.9)steel seamed tubes. With brazed seams no

less. Fairly light frame, probably the bees knees for 1919.



....................

1919 JIC photo and weight ?

are carbon post owners replacing the $200 posts in time or mileage ?

I mean like if the Kalloy snap off then what ? expect some footage from the 24 hrs of Moab ?





Didn't weigh it but not bad, maybe 5lb or so.

Low on this page:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/us70.html



--

Andrew Muzi

www.yellowjersey.org/

Open every day since 1 April, 1971

.......................

I see a hand on the last photo. frames small ? as here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leon_Georget_1909.jpg

photos are infrequent ! Georget and Mr Diamond.

where was the 1919 JIS from ? southern California ? Arizona ?

an attic of a four gable 3 story.


Mr Case was a local industrial giant, Milwaukee to
Minneapolis and inbetween.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 05/04/14 21:57, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 14:11:27 +1100, James
wrote:

On 05/04/14 06:57, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/4/2014 3:42 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, April 4, 2014 11:12:44 AM UTC-4, sms wrote:
But neither aluminum or carbon

fiber is a great material for seat posts. Check
http://www.rivbike.com/Saddles-Seat-Posts-s/48.htm?searching=Y&sort=2&cat=48&show=12&page=1

for some good replacements.

Are you serious? Aluminium is not good seat post material? What about
the millions of such
seatposts in use?

Apparently no one of my seatposts is any good, since they're all made of
aluminum.

I'm not looking forward to spending $204 apiece to get them up to "sms"
standards. :-(

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sp3.htm



I was thinking about buying a Deda Zero 100.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/a...k/rp-prod84212

Nothing like $200.

No, it is A$ 82.34 plus shipping. Seems like a lot of money for a seat
post. Even one that is infinitely adjustable.

But far better than US$ 200.00 :-)


Better still, I ordered one on ebay for $55 including postage!

--
JS

Mr Case was a local industrial giant, Milwaukee to

Minneapolis and inbetween.


HARD CASE ! I assume Case made tubing went into the JIS ?

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:12:06 PM UTC-4, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:


Mr Case was a local industrial giant, Milwaukee to



Minneapolis and inbetween.





HARD CASE ! I assume Case made tubing went into the JIS ?

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC


CASE WETSTERN RESERVE ? these here Case related ? Midwest......where ?

I been thru Burroughs, King ( King was just ere trying run me over or a lickup thereof with snubbers ), Vail....Vail and Baldwin owned lotta land where I grew thru HS. Vail had a 'cottage' above a mill/pond below Jockey Hollow bottom of Speedwell Ave touted as a birthplace of the Industrial Revo here. But Case ?

E's not one of the nuts associated with electric trains ?

On 4/6/2014 5:30 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:12:06 PM UTC-4, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:


Mr Case was a local industrial giant, Milwaukee to



Minneapolis and inbetween.





HARD CASE ! I assume Case made tubing went into the JIS ?

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC


CASE WETSTERN RESERVE ? these here Case related ? Midwest......where ?

I been thru Burroughs, King ( King was just ere trying run me over or a lickup thereof with snubbers ), Vail....Vail and Baldwin owned lotta land where I grew thru HS. Vail had a 'cottage' above a mill/pond below Jockey Hollow bottom of Speedwell Ave touted as a birthplace of the Industrial Revo here. But Case ?

E's not one of the nuts associated with electric trains ?


http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/...rsity?rec=2483

Leonard Case, unrelated.

BTW the "Around Astabula to About Akron" region was owned by
Connecticut from the 1600s. It was the state's Western Reserve.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/7/2014 8:23 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/6/2014 5:30 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:12:06 PM UTC-4, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH
wrote:


Mr Case was a local industrial giant, Milwaukee to



Minneapolis and inbetween.





HARD CASE ! I assume Case made tubing went into the JIS ?

CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC


CASE WETSTERN RESERVE ? these here Case related ? Midwest......where ?

I been thru Burroughs, King ( King was just ere trying run me over or
a lickup thereof with snubbers ), Vail....Vail and Baldwin owned lotta
land where I grew thru HS. Vail had a 'cottage' above a mill/pond
below Jockey Hollow bottom of Speedwell Ave touted as a birthplace of
the Industrial Revo here. But Case ?

E's not one of the nuts associated with electric trains ?


http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/w/...rsity?rec=2483


Leonard Case, unrelated.

BTW the "Around Astabula to About Akron" region was owned by Connecticut
from the 1600s. It was the state's Western Reserve.

Yep. It was also owned by Virginia, depending how you read the
colonies' charters. Apparently, the various kings of England were less
than precise when granting charters to colonies, so there were
"debatable lands."

The solution for the brand new country was to turn most of those lands
over to the new Federal government, with rules for using them to
generate new states. Like Ohio, for example. But Connecticut wanted to
reserve a bit of its western land, either to pay back folks whose homes
had been destroyed in the Revolutionary War, or to sell to investors to
help finance Connecticut schools.

I live in the Connecticut Western Reserve area of Ohio. Many of the
small towns feature New England style architecture and village greens in
their old centers, brought in by settlers from Connecticut. Kinda charming.

--
- Frank Krygowski