ARGH!!!! Roof racks!

On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:20:16 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 23 May 2016 10:12:30 UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 23.05.2016 06:33, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 18:36:45 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 15:01:30 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
Correct, the electrons move around within solid substances.

Unless at the impossible absolute zero, ALL atoms are moving in
everything all the time.

Actually, at absolute zero, atoms still have a zero point quantum energy.

Correct.
At zero uncertainty of momentum (which it would be if the electron were
not moving) its uncertainty of position would be infinite. A practical
impossibility.


And who says it's impossible to get to absolute zero? It's just not
possible by any means we know of (eg simple cooling by contact with a
colder substance).

You would have to violate or break Plank's law and the Heisenberg
uncertainty Principle to get right to absolute zero.

I shall adjust my sentence above: "Correct, the electrons move around
(with a use required by the device's function) within solid substances."

Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

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On Monday, 23 May 2016 10:12:30 UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 23.05.2016 06:33, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 18:36:45 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 15:01:30 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
Correct, the electrons move around within solid substances.

Unless at the impossible absolute zero, ALL atoms are moving in
everything all the time.

Actually, at absolute zero, atoms still have a zero point quantum energy.

Correct.
At zero uncertainty of momentum (which it would be if the electron were
not moving) its uncertainty of position would be infinite. A practical
impossibility.

And who says it's impossible to get to absolute zero? It's just not
possible by any means we know of (eg simple cooling by contact with a
colder substance).

You would have to violate or break Plank's law and the Heisenberg
uncertainty Principle to get right to absolute zero.

I simply do not believe you can't get to absolute zero.

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On Monday, 23 May 2016 15:41:16 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:


Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

It is no joke.
The background radiation temperature in space is 3 Kelvin (Big Bang remnant), but the lowest lab temperature obtained here on Earth is 0.0000000001K.

On Mon, 23 May 2016 16:08:49 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 23 May 2016 15:41:16 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:


Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

It is no joke.
The background radiation temperature in space is 3 Kelvin (Big Bang remnant), but the lowest lab temperature obtained here on Earth is 0.0000000001K.

Oh. I thought you were talking about naturally occurring temperatures, not labs.

So they have got pretty much to 0K.

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On Monday, 23 May 2016 16:22:11 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 16:08:49 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 23 May 2016 15:41:16 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:


Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

It is no joke.
The background radiation temperature in space is 3 Kelvin (Big Bang remnant), but the lowest lab temperature obtained here on Earth is 0.0000000001K.

Oh. I thought you were talking about naturally occurring temperatures, not labs.

So they have got pretty much to 0K.

It's a bit like the speed of light - you can get a particle to 99.999999% of it in theory, but not 100%.

On 23/05/2016 15:41, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:20:16 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 23 May 2016 10:12:30 UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 23.05.2016 06:33, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 18:36:45 +0100, Alycidon
wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 15:01:30 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
Correct, the electrons move around within solid substances.

Unless at the impossible absolute zero, ALL atoms are moving in
everything all the time.

Actually, at absolute zero, atoms still have a zero point quantum
energy.

Correct.
At zero uncertainty of momentum (which it would be if the electron were
not moving) its uncertainty of position would be infinite. A practical
impossibility.


And who says it's impossible to get to absolute zero? It's just not
possible by any means we know of (eg simple cooling by contact with a
colder substance).

You would have to violate or break Plank's law and the Heisenberg
uncertainty Principle to get right to absolute zero.

I shall adjust my sentence above: "Correct, the electrons move around
(with a use required by the device's function) within solid
substances."

Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

If it is a joke, then I don't get it either because in space it can get
down to minus 270.45 Celsius.


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Bod

On Mon, 23 May 2016 17:50:24 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 23/05/2016 15:41, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:20:16 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 23 May 2016 10:12:30 UTC+1, Peter Keller wrote:
On 23.05.2016 06:33, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2016 18:36:45 +0100, Alycidon
wrote:

On Sunday, 22 May 2016 15:01:30 UTC+1, Mr Macaw wrote:
Correct, the electrons move around within solid substances.

Unless at the impossible absolute zero, ALL atoms are moving in
everything all the time.

Actually, at absolute zero, atoms still have a zero point quantum
energy.

Correct.
At zero uncertainty of momentum (which it would be if the electron were
not moving) its uncertainty of position would be infinite. A practical
impossibility.


And who says it's impossible to get to absolute zero? It's just not
possible by any means we know of (eg simple cooling by contact with a
colder substance).

You would have to violate or break Plank's law and the Heisenberg
uncertainty Principle to get right to absolute zero.

I shall adjust my sentence above: "Correct, the electrons move around
(with a use required by the device's function) within solid
substances."

Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

If it is a joke, then I don't get it either because in space it can get
down to minus 270.45 Celsius.

I thought it was very evenly 3K everywhere in space other than on planets or stars etc.

ROFL at RANDOM sig below!

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On Monday, 23 May 2016 17:50:23 UTC+1, Bod wrote:

Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

If it is a joke, then I don't get it either because in space it can get
down to minus 270.45 Celsius.

Yes, but here on Earth we can get down to 0.0000000001K in labs. 3K colder than deep space.

On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:27:06 +0100, Alycidon wrote:

On Monday, 23 May 2016 17:50:23 UTC+1, Bod wrote:

Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

If it is a joke, then I don't get it either because in space it can get
down to minus 270.45 Celsius.

Yes, but here on Earth we can get down to 0.0000000001K in labs. 3K colder than deep space.

You deliberately left out "in a lab" in your original statement. You'd make a terrible lawyer.

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On 23/05/2016 18:27, Alycidon wrote:
On Monday, 23 May 2016 17:50:23 UTC+1, Bod wrote:

Actually the coldest place in the known universe is here on Earth.

Is this an attempt at a joke Simon?

If it is a joke, then I don't get it either because in space it can get
down to minus 270.45 Celsius.

Yes, but here on Earth we can get down to 0.0000000001K in labs. 3K colder than deep space.

Ah! in Labs, maybe.

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Bod