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B. Lafferty wrote:
I cited to three or four physicians/PhDs who have differed publicly and significantly with the opinions you have stated here with regard to doping, doping methods and the efficacy of same in enhancing performance. No, you have not: my position isn't that performance can't be enhanced via undetected doping, but that the scope of plausible *natural* performance is so large that you can't rely on physiological/power data to definitively identify dopers. The only person foolish enough to claim otherwise has been Ashenden. Nowhere have I represented that because any one of these professionals states a position, it as to be absolutely true. It's still an appeal to authority, i.e., you can't successfully argue the merits of your position on your own, so you try to bolster it by (mis)quoting others. Surely they taught you in law school that this was the weakest of debate tactics? On the other hand, some of your assertions have been little more than comical sophistry. For example, puffing (a legal term of art) about the two calls you fielded from coaches at the "highest level of the sport"---Cecchini and Ferrari? :-) Sorry: I don't kiss-and-tell. Andy Coggan |
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B. Lafferty wrote:
I cited to three or four physicians/PhDs who have differed publicly and significantly with the opinions you have stated here with regard to doping, doping methods and the efficacy of same in enhancing performance. No, you have not: my position isn't that performance can't be enhanced via undetected doping, but that the scope of plausible *natural* performance is so large that you can't rely on physiological/power data to definitively identify dopers. The only person foolish enough to claim otherwise has been Ashenden. Nowhere have I represented that because any one of these professionals states a position, it as to be absolutely true. It's still an appeal to authority, i.e., you can't successfully argue the merits of your position on your own, so you try to bolster it by (mis)quoting others. Surely they taught you in law school that this was the weakest of debate tactics? On the other hand, some of your assertions have been little more than comical sophistry. For example, puffing (a legal term of art) about the two calls you fielded from coaches at the "highest level of the sport"---Cecchini and Ferrari? :-) Sorry: I don't kiss-and-tell. Andy Coggan |
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" wrote in
ups.com: wrote: Dumbass, Brian Lafferty and David Walsh, with the assistance of Stephen Swart, have all proven that LANCE - a highly competitive, aggressive, dirty-dog-take-no-prisoners personality - was doped to the gills before cancer (which was also before the EPO test and the 50% hematocrit limit, so the sky was the limit). So by the limited axioms of logic that hold in this thread, doping also doesn't explain why he became a better climber and a GT contender after cancer, either. (Oddly, Coyle's explanation is better, since he actually appears to have measured a change in LA's efficiency, even if his interpretation of why this happened is basically hand-waving.) "Something changed when he came back from cancer, even if his racing weight returned to the same or near the same weight as before cancer". Ya think maybe the weight loss had an effect, after all? No one is mentioned how much better a TT'er he became, either. Some of it from wind tunnel work, I would guess. --D-y Maybe somebody has already come up with this, but I think what happened was that the original Lance Armstrong did die of cancer. However, his body was reanimated by Greg Lemond, who then had his brain inserted into Armstrong's body. Lemond then put Armstrong's brain into his body since it had to go somewhere, but Lance's competitive drive spontaneously restarted his brain, and kept Lemond's body alive too, only now the only thing fueling Lemond/Armstrong was blind hatred of what Armstrong/Lemond had done to him. Armstrong/Lemond, after "recovering from cancer," convinced everyone he had lost weight, doped himself to the gills like Lemond did before he became Armstrong/Lemond (and Armstrong did before he became Lemond/Armstrong for that matter, but don't get me confused here), and won seven straight TdF's. This further filled the hatred Lemond/Armstrong felt for Armstrong/Lemond, explaining the criticisms and snide comments so typical of Armstrong/Lemond (or maybe I mean Lemond/Armstrong, even I don't remember which is which anymore, which is why this plot is so incredibly diabolical). So Armstrong/Lemond was doping when he won the TdF's, but it really wasn't Armstrong, it was Lemond (or Armstrong/Lemond, I think), who got back at Armstrong (or Lemond/Armstrong, maybe?) by not only winning more TdF's than he (Lemond/Armstrong or was that Armstrong/Lemond?) but also besmirching his reputation by doping to do it, something that Lemond/Armstrong would never have done. The only thing for Lemond/Armstrong to do was to ruin Armstrong/Lemond's reputation by making increasingly shrill and irrational accusations against Lemond/Armstrong. -- Bill Asher |
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Donald Munro wrote:
wrote: Down with the Systeme Internationale! Join me in lobbying Congress to rename the centimeter the "freedom inch"! Stu would be lobbying to make the Doughnut the official unit of length. Donuts are a unit of girth. |
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William Asher wrote:
Maybe somebody has already come up with this, but I think what happened was that the original Lance Armstrong did die of cancer. However, his body was reanimated by Greg Lemond, who then had his brain inserted into Armstrong's body. So who invented Finite Element Analysis ? |
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need more sun wrote: wrote: Watch the door if you're really leaving. --D-y Yawn..you are boring me now.. Oh, so you're *not* really leaving... Gosh, "how did I know"? --D-y |
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