Recumbents: extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull,overpriced

On 1 June, 03:26, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote:
Andrew Muzi wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
[...]
So much for the trikes market survey. In summary, there appear to be
only one genuine all-round multifunction bike by Anthrotech, and two
interesting tilting bikes by Tripod and Tripendo. The rest is a
heaving mass of undistinguished sameness.

Here you go:
http://www.tecnoartsurrey.com/sport.html

How will it do being towed at 100+ kph by a lorry?

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

but they're not permitted off the caravan park.

someone, possibly Trevor Jeffrey, wrote:
On 31 May, 23:49, "Clive George" wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message

...

So how come the entire thing is so low that you are stressed out from
fear of being splatted not by a bus but by a common low hatchback
because the driver didn't see you?
I believe you're rather more likely to be noticed on a recumbent trike than
on a bike - ie your fear is misplaced.

3. The technology is probably mature, and the form of the tadpole
recumbent trike has settled into two ali beams at right angles for
chassis and front frame, with a swing arm for the rear suspension. A
dreadful dullness is creeping over the format, with only esoteric
details distinguishing the different brands, and then only to the
obsessed. The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt
nasty.
That'll be experience speaking, will it? When you've actually tried the ride
on one, come back and tell us.

The lower you are on the trike, the faster you can go round corners. That's
an important feature of a high performance machine.

In a head to head race, is a trike faster than a bike on a winding
downhill course?

I believe that this is like comparing a car to a motorcycle. While the
motorcycle likely has greater ultimate grip, unless the rider is VERY
skilled, the car driver can use more of the available grip, since a
slide can be recovered from. This assumes a low-seat tadpole trike with
proper weight distribution and steering geometry.

The trike also has an advantage under braking, since it is limited by
the grip of two front tires, and not the overturning of the bicycle.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Chalo Colina wrote:
Edward Dolan wrote:
Tom Sherman
Chalo wrote:
I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one
had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small
one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite
my days spent trying to make the best of it.
There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since Chalo
is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the manufacturers
are not missing much of a market.
What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla?

Gorillas have short enough legs to ride BMX bikes, which works to
their advantage. I am forced to be more resourceful than that.

I rented a BikeE while I was vacationing in Seattle in early 2001.
The reason I rented it was because it was the only rental bike
available in Seattle that could be adjusted to fit me. For some
reason, Mr. Sherman thinks it was the wrong size for me despite the
BikeE thinking it was the right size.

I believe it was the right size, but wrong in a more fundamental way.
Hence my wife, who's a foot shorter than I am, had no better luck with
it than I did.

If you try to ride a recumbent like an upright it will indeed disagree
with you. I always tell new 'bent riders to hold the grips with just
their fingertips to prevent over-controlling the bicycle.

I found the BikeE a little difficult to ride as a 'bent newbie [1], but
then I am bad as picking up new skills that require overall body
coordination. With much more 'bent riding experience, I find the single
BikeE's very easy to ride.

[1] I had great difficulty learning to ride an upright as a child.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

AMuzi wrote:

Here you go:
http://www.tecnoartsurrey.com/sport.html

You know, with four electric hub motors and all but one seat loaded
with batteries, that wouldn't be half bad. Well, maybe it would be
only approximately half bad.

I rode a bigger one of those with my three sisters in Galveston a long
time ago. It was not nearly as fun as it should have been. Actually,
it was only fun because it was so comically terrible, like a practical
joke played on myself at substantial expense.

Chalo

Chalo Colina wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
Here you go:
http://www.tecnoartsurrey.com/sport.html

You know, with four electric hub motors and all but one seat loaded
with batteries, that wouldn't be half bad. Well, maybe it would be
only approximately half bad.

I rode a bigger one of those with my three sisters in Galveston a long
time ago. It was not nearly as fun as it should have been. Actually,
it was only fun because it was so comically terrible, like a practical
joke played on myself at substantial expense.


Were you the only power source?

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Chalo" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:

Tom Sherman

Chalo wrote:

I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one
had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small
one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite
my days spent trying to make the best of it.

There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since
Chalo
is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the
manufacturers
are not missing much of a market.

What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla?

Gorillas have short enough legs to ride BMX bikes, which works to
their advantage. I am forced to be more resourceful than that.

I rented a BikeE while I was vacationing in Seattle in early 2001.
The reason I rented it was because it was the only rental bike
available in Seattle that could be adjusted to fit me. For some
reason, Mr. Sherman thinks it was the wrong size for me despite the
BikeE thinking it was the right size.

I believe it was the right size, but wrong in a more fundamental way.
Hence my wife, who's a foot shorter than I am, had no better luck with
it than I did.

I hope you were not trying to ride that BikeE up those hills in downtown
Seattle. Hell Bells, I had trouble even walking up those hills. Much of
downtown Seattle seems to built on the side of a mountain.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
...
Chalo wrote:
Clive George wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt nasty.
That'll be experience speaking, will it? When you've actually tried
the ride
on one, come back and tell us.
I've ridden 'bent bikes with 20"/27" and 16"/20" wheels. The big one
had a long floppy frame and gave a shaky but smooth ride. The small
one gave a treacherous and crappy ride that didn't get better despite
my days spent trying to make the best of it.

There is no stock recumbent suitable for someone Chalo's size. Since
Chalo is in the 99.999th percentile in both height and weight, the
manufacturers are not missing much of a market.

What is Chalo, an 800 lb. gorilla?
[...]

Chalo has listed his height at about 6'8" or so, and weight ranging from
about 320 to 370 pounds.

Yes, I can see what the problem is. Almost all recumbents have a maximum
weight recommendation (many as low as 200 lbs.) and a height of 6'8" means
that you will not fit any recumbent except those few sized XL.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On May 31, 7:44*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in ...

Andre Jute wrote:
[...]
So how come the entire thing is so low that you are stressed out from
fear of being splatted not by a bus but by a common low hatchback
because the driver didn't see you?

Drivers notice trikes much more than run of the mill [run-of-the-mill]
bicycles in my experience.

The above is not necessarily true. In any event, if and when you get run
over, the driver will say for sure that he did not notice you.
[...]

Customers are offered virtually nothing but extremes, and at
outrageous prices.

Let us see Mr. Jute build and sell one both at a profit and reasonable
price.

Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a
lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with
a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars
or so.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

http://www.actionbent.com/ - starting around $750.

Tom Sherman wrote:

Chalo Colina wrote:

AMuzi wrote:

Here you go:

http://www.tecnoartsurrey.com/sport.html

You know, with four electric hub motors and all but one seat loaded
with batteries, that wouldn't be half bad. *Well, maybe it would be
only approximately half bad.

I rode a bigger one of those with my three sisters in Galveston a long
time ago. *It was not nearly as fun as it should have been. *Actually,
it was only fun because it was so comically terrible, like a practical
joke played on myself at substantial expense.

Were you the only power source?

No, I would characterize my three sisters as faulty power units in
that situation. Disappointing certainly, but not inert.

Chalo

On May 31, 10:56*pm, Chalo wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

Here you go:
http://www.tecnoartsurrey.com/sport.html

I rode a bigger one of those with my three sisters in Galveston a long
time ago. *It was not nearly as fun as it should have been. *Actually,
it was only fun because it was so comically terrible, like a practical
joke played on myself at substantial expense.

There's something oddly Wagerian about "Chalo and his Sisters ride the
Pedicab." Perhaps it was part of "Der Quadicycle."