LVM breaks hour record

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
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"TritonRider" wrote in message
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From: Dan Connelly

And I'd take the top Sr3 time trialer in the nation against
LVM any day.

Dan



You really think so? Coming from you, that has some weight. I have a
hard
time believing that a US Cat3 today is the equal of Coppi or Anquitiel.



Dumbass -

I agree.

Cat 3 is not a very high level (unless you ask warren or gwhite).

Taking all of Dan's comments in to consideration, I assume that he is
indicating that there must be a Cat 3 somewhere that could accomplish this
result after going through all of the preparation that she did.

I still disagree.

"benjo maso" wrote in message
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In 1952 Coppi did the climb to Alpe d'Huez in 45'22". That means that
Coppi - in spite of his much heavier bicycle and a road which wasn't
asphalted yet - would have finished in the stage to l'Alpe d'Huez this year
23th, 6'20" after Iban Mayo. Is a UC Cat3 capable of doing that?



No.


There are probably only a few Cat 1s who could do that.

Nick Burns wrote:
Cat 3 is not a very high level (unless you ask warren or gwhite).


Taking all of Dan's comments in to consideration, I assume that he is
indicating that there must be a Cat 3 somewhere that could accomplish this
result after going through all of the preparation that she did.

I still disagree.



Right. The cat 3 needs access to the wind tunnel, and the Mexico track.

This is still a unfair comparison, as one is comparing the best in the
world woman to the best in the US Sr3. But I'd still take the bet.

In other words, announce a $1M prize for a rider who is currently a
cat 3 to break the record within 1 month. I think it would be broken.

It's a time trial. There's a lot of guys out there who can time trial, but
don't race enough to upgrade.

WRT the comparison to Coppi -- as I noted, it was a different time, with
different equipment, without the altitude. I never said Coppi was no better
than a cat 3. WRT his L'Alpe d'Huez time.... that is impressive, I admit.
But do you think Moorsel could climb the Alpe in 45:22? We're talking time
trialing here.

Dan

"TritonRider" wrote in message
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From: Dan Connelly

And I'd take the top Sr3 time trialer in the nation against
LVM any day.

Dan



You really think so? Coming from you, that has some weight. I have a
hard
time believing that a US Cat3 today is the equal of Coppi or Anquitiel.
We've
come a long way, the equipment is much better and lighter, the training
more
efficient, but I still have a hard time with it.
Bill C

Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually something very
subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've just been hooked.)

Andy Coggan

From: "Andy Coggan"

Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually something very
subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've just been hooked.)

Andy Coggan


At least I rose to a well presented Adams on a 6x tippet.
Bill C

"Dan Connelly" wrote in message
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WRT the comparison to Coppi -- as I noted, it was a different time, with
different equipment, without the altitude. I never said Coppi was no
better
than a cat 3. WRT his L'Alpe d'Huez time.... that is impressive, I admit.
But do you think Moorsel could climb the Alpe in 45:22?



Dumbass -

When she was skinny? ya.

BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same with Cat
2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s.

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message
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"TritonRider" wrote in message
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From: Dan Connelly

And I'd take the top Sr3 time trialer in the nation against
LVM any day.

Dan



You really think so? Coming from you, that has some weight. I have a
hard
time believing that a US Cat3 today is the equal of Coppi or Anquitiel.
We've
come a long way, the equipment is much better and lighter, the training
more
efficient, but I still have a hard time with it.
Bill C

Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually something
very
subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've just been hooked.)



Dumbass -

Perhaps, but read his other post.

In article , TritonRider
wrote:

From: "Andy Coggan"

Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually something very
subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've just been hooked.)

Andy Coggan


At least I rose to a well presented Adams on a 6x tippet.

Are you referring to something that is more art than sport or more
sport than art?

-WG

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dumbass -




BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same with Cat
2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s.

Okay, so I don't have any data for LVV. I do have GJ, however, and she's
clearly a world-class women's time trialists. And I'm not comparing her
to a time trial specialist, just a stage racer who happens to go to the
Tour of Gila. Yet the cat 3 gets within 13 seconds of GJ over 40 minutes....
I think this makes it pretty clear that top women are no better than top Sr 3's
in a given aspect of racing.

http://tourofthegila.com/2003race/day1womens123.html

WOMEN 1,2,3 T.T. RESULTS
PLACE TIME @ TIME BON-PEN # NAME SPONSER
HOMETOWN
================================================== ================================================== ===============
1 0:40:00.68 @ 00:00 234 Jeanson, Genevieve Rona Esker
Canada --
2 0:41:27.29 @ 01:27 236 Jutras, Manon Saturn
Cycling Tea Canada --
3 0:41:31.19 @ 01:31 226 Goldstein, Leah Victory
Brewing-Am Israel --


MEN 3'S T.T. RESULTS
PLACE TIME @ TIME BON-PEN # NAME SPONSER
HOMETOWN
================================================== ================================================== ===============
1 0:40:13.59 @ 00:00 476 Reidys, Christian Ochsner
Los Alamos, NM --
2 0:40:36.87 @ 00:23 493 Stetina, Peter
5280/Subaru Boulder, CO --
3 0:40:49.12 @ 00:36 430 Farrell, Dennis Red Rocks
Velo Littleton, CO --


=========================================

Here's the SoCal ITT championships:
Women's Open
1 Jeannie Longo (Vitall) 46.04
2 Julia Whiteside (Minute Maid/Dasani/La Grange) 3.00
3 Christen King (unattached) 7.21

Men 60 - 64
1 Butch Richardson (SD Cyclo-Vets) 46.21
2 Dan Wulbert (Excel) 1.53
3 Edward Renger (SD Cyclo-Vets) 9.31

Jeannie Longo, reigning French national champion,
did about the same as the top rider in the 60-64 age group,
and this is mostly Southern California/Nevada riders,
not national class or international class. There's no categories
in time trials, so I don't have a breakdown on who was Sr3 in
the men's open category. 7 men there broke Longo's time.

Dan

"Dan Connelly" wrote in message
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dumbass -




BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same with
Cat
2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s.

Okay, so I don't have any data for LVV. I do have GJ, however, and she's
clearly a world-class women's time trialists. And I'm not comparing her
to a time trial specialist, just a stage racer who happens to go to the
Tour of Gila. Yet the cat 3 gets within 13 seconds of GJ over 40
minutes....
I think this makes it pretty clear that top women are no better than top Sr
3's
in a given aspect of racing.



Dumbass -

We're talking about going uphill. Women are better at that (relatively) than
flat tt'ing because of their light weight.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/?id=...2/washington02

Mount Washington Hillclimb - NE
New Hampshire, USA, August 24, 2002


Results, 12.3km
(Number in brackets indicates overall position)
Women 20-34

1 Genevieve Jeanson (Can) Rona 54.02 (3)
2 Lyne Bessette (Can) 1.04.31 (19)
3 Susan Duff 1.18.00 (105)

snip

Men 20-34

1 Thomas Danielson (USA) Mercury 49.24 (1)
2 Tim Johnson (USA) Saturn 53.56 (2)
3 Carl Swenson (USA) RLX Polo Sport 54.45 (4)

snip