LVM breaks hour record

Dan Connelly writes:

[lotsa stuff snipped]

Jeannie Longo, reigning French national champion,
did about the same as the top rider in the 60-64 age group,
and this is mostly Southern California/Nevada riders,
not national class or international class. There's no categories
in time trials, so I don't have a breakdown on who was Sr3 in
the men's open category. 7 men there broke Longo's time.

Davey shakes his head.

Thinks ''Thank goodness for the Alley Cat Races''

At least in the Pony Express races the wimmin race with the guys.

And the first across the line wins with nobody that is anybody
worrying very much about the times or whether the Toronto
course is faster then Montreal or Vancouver or wherever.

And, at least in Toronto, it improves the bike handling too.

Where else would you find a race where the final klick is
downhill on the busiest street in town at rush hour of a
Friday night; where in addition to having to watch for taxi
jockeys who can't drive, spoilsport cops and outta town
drivers gawkin' at the scenery, you gotta watch out for drunks,
beggars, whores and pick-pockets crossing the street oblivious
to the traffic.

Yeah, and a 90 degree right hander off Yonge onto Temperance
with 30 meters to go.

--
le vent a Dos

Davey Crockett

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
"Andy Coggan" wrote

Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually
something very subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've
just been hooked.)

Dumbass -

Perhaps, but read his other post.

Dumbass,

Dan is trying to troll out how CdA scales with height and mass. He wants
someone to point out that W/kg is different than watts-to-aero drag, and
that the difference in sizes between men and women means that hillclimb
events will have a different pattern of differences between men and women
than TT events. It's a troll because he already knows the answer.

Next, Dan is going to claim that Armstrong is too short to break
Boardman's hour record.

Back around 1980, our club promoted a race at which the 7 Eleven team raced.
Both Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter did the same Cat 1/23 event (there
were only Cat 1-4 then). Carpenter finished in the main field with most of
the Cat 2s and 3s. Perhaps she didn't want to embarrass her true love.

I think it is useless to compare climbing and the hour. Climbing has so
many more variables than an hour of power output on a track. So lets
collect some money from all the rbr denizens and when we hit $1 million,
we'll see who takes up the challenge. :-)


"Dan Connelly" wrote in message
...


Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dumbass -




BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same
with Cat
2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s.

Okay, so I don't have any data for LVV. I do have GJ, however, and she's
clearly a world-class women's time trialists. And I'm not comparing her
to a time trial specialist, just a stage racer who happens to go to the
Tour of Gila. Yet the cat 3 gets within 13 seconds of GJ over 40
minutes....
I think this makes it pretty clear that top women are no better than top
Sr 3's
in a given aspect of racing.

http://tourofthegila.com/2003race/day1womens123.html

WOMEN 1,2,3 T.T. RESULTS
PLACE TIME @ TIME BON-PEN # NAME
SPONSER
HOMETOWN

================================================== ==========================
=======================================
1 0:40:00.68 @ 00:00 234 Jeanson, Genevieve Rona
Esker
Canada --
2 0:41:27.29 @ 01:27 236 Jutras, Manon
Saturn
Cycling Tea Canada --
3 0:41:31.19 @ 01:31 226 Goldstein, Leah
Victory
Brewing-Am Israel --


MEN 3'S T.T. RESULTS
PLACE TIME @ TIME BON-PEN # NAME
SPONSER
HOMETOWN

================================================== ==========================
=======================================
1 0:40:13.59 @ 00:00 476 Reidys, Christian
Ochsner
Los Alamos, NM --
2 0:40:36.87 @ 00:23 493 Stetina, Peter
5280/Subaru Boulder, CO --
3 0:40:49.12 @ 00:36 430 Farrell, Dennis Red
Rocks
Velo Littleton, CO --


=========================================

Here's the SoCal ITT championships:
Women's Open
1 Jeannie Longo (Vitall) 46.04
2 Julia Whiteside (Minute Maid/Dasani/La Grange) 3.00
3 Christen King (unattached) 7.21

Men 60 - 64
1 Butch Richardson (SD Cyclo-Vets) 46.21
2 Dan Wulbert (Excel) 1.53
3 Edward Renger (SD Cyclo-Vets) 9.31

Jeannie Longo, reigning French national champion,
did about the same as the top rider in the 60-64 age group,
and this is mostly Southern California/Nevada riders,
not national class or international class. There's no categories
in time trials, so I don't have a breakdown on who was Sr3 in
the men's open category. 7 men there broke Longo's time.

Dan

From: "B. Lafferty"

Back around 1980, our club promoted a race at which the 7 Eleven team raced.
Both Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter did the same Cat 1/23 event (there
were only Cat 1-4 then). Carpenter finished in the main field with most of
the Cat 2s and 3s.

Did you notice if she turned even one pedal stroke at the front while 7-11
stomped the lokies with one leg tied behind their back? (May I take the hook
out now?) --TP

"Tom Paterson" wrote in message
...
From: "B. Lafferty"

Back around 1980, our club promoted a race at which the 7 Eleven team
raced.
Both Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter did the same Cat 1/23 event
(there
were only Cat 1-4 then). Carpenter finished in the main field with most
of
the Cat 2s and 3s.

Did you notice if she turned even one pedal stroke at the front while 7-11
stomped the lokies with one leg tied behind their back? (May I take the
hook
out now?) --TP

IIRC, she did a few turns at the front before Davis and a couple of locals
got away with Davis taking the sprint, very, very easily. BTW, I think one
of the locals in that break was a veteran (what we would now call a Master)
named Arnie Urlass, who was a double Olympian in cycling and speed skating
in the 1950s or early 1960s.

From: "B. Lafferty"

BTW, I think one
of the locals in that break was a veteran (what we would now call a Master)
named Arnie Urlass, who was a double Olympian in cycling and speed skating
in the 1950s or early 1960s.

I at least know the name... Hey, I yelled at Mel Bradley (Jeff and Jackie's
--sp--? dad) once in 1980-1 after he moved over to see if I'd yell at him for
moving over on me in the IV/Vets/Women/whateverfieldfiller event. I think Jeff
won the 1,2, 3 that day (Sterling Il.)

As you know, with no travel and a sort of "home field" advantage, DP also won
that 'Merican bike race where all the Euro pros came over in '83. Baltimore,
don't think it was quite so easy but at least if you got beat by him it was by
one of the best (even if he was only using one leg).
--TP

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
"Dan Connelly" wrote in message
...


Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dumbass -





BTW, by definition Cat 3s suck. If they didn't, they'd move up. Same with

Cat

2s. People not good enough to be Cat 1s.

Okay, so I don't have any data for LVV. I do have GJ, however, and she's
clearly a world-class women's time trialists. And I'm not comparing her
to a time trial specialist, just a stage racer who happens to go to the
Tour of Gila. Yet the cat 3 gets within 13 seconds of GJ over 40

minutes....

I think this makes it pretty clear that top women are no better than top Sr

3's

in a given aspect of racing.




Dumbass -

We're talking about going uphill. Women are better at that (relatively) than
flat tt'ing because of their light weight.


There's a lot of uphill on the track -- all that banking and stuff.


No -- I'm talking about the hour record.

Dan

Okay -- I'll talk about climbing.

Mt Washington is a fundraiser. The entry fees are extremely high,
and it isn't even USCF sanctioned. Let's use Mt Evans, which has
deeper entry lists.

SMP1/2
Place Name Club Time @Time
1 Vaughters, Jonathan Prime Alliance 1:49:29 0:00:00
2 Miller, Drew Trek VW 1:49:34 0:00:05
3 Gullickson, Marc Excel Sports 1:52:05 0:02:36



SM3
Place Name Club Time @Time
1 Zirbel, Tom Unattached 1:58:25 0:00:00
2 Hagman, Alex Fort Frames / Hagman Architects 1:58:57 0:00:32
3 Stetina, Peter 5280/Subaru 1:59:04 0:00:39


The top Sr 3 finished within 9% of the top male, who set the record up
Mt Ventoux. Meanwhile, Antequil was 15% off Mayo's time.

Is Vaughters in the class of Anquetil? Maybe not. But I don't expect Tom
Zirbil is necessarily the best climbing Sr3 in the world, either.

In your race, GJ finished 10% slower than Danielson. This is normal --
women are about 11% slower, more or less. Sr3 are about 10% slower,
more or less.

Dan


Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

Dumbass -

We're talking about going uphill. Women are better at that (relatively) than
flat tt'ing because of their light weight.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/?id=...2/washington02

Mount Washington Hillclimb - NE
New Hampshire, USA, August 24, 2002


Results, 12.3km
(Number in brackets indicates overall position)
Women 20-34

1 Genevieve Jeanson (Can) Rona 54.02 (3)
2 Lyne Bessette (Can) 1.04.31 (19)
3 Susan Duff 1.18.00 (105)

snip

Men 20-34

1 Thomas Danielson (USA) Mercury 49.24 (1)
2 Tim Johnson (USA) Saturn 53.56 (2)
3 Carl Swenson (USA) RLX Polo Sport 54.45 (4)

snip

Robert Chung wrote:
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote

Dan doesn't troll very often, but when he does, it is usually
something very subtle and dry - like his comment above. (IOW, you've
just been hooked.)

Dumbass -

Perhaps, but read his other post.


Dumbass,

Dan is trying to troll out how CdA scales with height and mass. He wants
someone to point out that W/kg is different than watts-to-aero drag, and
that the difference in sizes between men and women means that hillclimb
events will have a different pattern of differences between men and women
than TT events. It's a troll because he already knows the answer.

Next, Dan is going to claim that Armstrong is too short to break
Boardman's hour record.



I still don't buy that Cd ~ mass argument .

Dan

Last man that attempted the our record and rode for an hour
was Jean Nuttli. He only managed 47.093, and he's a pro and
TT specialist.

LVM record is only 7% slower than Boardman's. In the first
Vuelta TT this year there were only 20 guys within 7% of
Nozal's time, and it only grew to 30 in the 2nd TT (ok, not
everyone was trying, but they were some who tried and failed).
Do you think cat3 riders could rank as high?

Jenko


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