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Old September 14th 06, 04:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Steven M. O'Neill
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sfb wrote:
It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
seriously hurt or dies either way.


Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we
have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will
never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt.

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Old September 14th 06, 06:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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People are far more distracted with cell phones, pda s, elaborate sound
systems, ect.,, than they used to be. They had a guy dress up as a gorilla
for a test. They had several drivers drive a pre planned route to see if
they noticed anything unusual. None of them seemed to notice during the test
that a guy in a gorilla costume was walking next to the road. They noticed
that people have selective vision only seeing what is expected. The same
thing happened with native indians when ships would sail in the seas. They
only saw ripples in the water but not the boats because they didn't know
anything like it existed or have ever seen one before. After a period of
time the boats started to appear to them. If I find the article I will post
it otherwise if someone is familiar with it please list the link

Dave
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"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on

the
road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.


That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.

http://rightofway.org/research/cyclists.pdf

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Old September 14th 06, 09:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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Default Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)

Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
the stats.

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
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sfb wrote:
It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
seriously hurt or dies either way.


Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we
have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will
never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt.

--
Steven O'Neill
Brooklyn, NY



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Old September 14th 06, 09:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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Actually, the person that may be most hurt is the driver that takes out the
cyclist when the cyclist wanders out into traffic. The innocent driver has
to live the rest of their life knowing they killed somebody.

"David Kerber" wrote in message
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It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
seriously hurt or dies either way.


Yes, but on a bike it's usually only the drunk who is hurt, and not
innocent bystanders or other drivers.


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Still significantly better than driving while drunk.





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Old September 14th 06, 11:57 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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sfb wrote:
Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
the stats.


If you mean "We don't have stats, but we are sure this behavior is
dangerous," that might be reasonable.

If you mean "The stats show this behavior is safe, but we know it's
really dangerous," that's foolish.

Fortunately, I'm sure you meant the former.

- Frank Krygowski

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Old September 15th 06, 04:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Steven M. O'Neill
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Default Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)

sfb wrote:
"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
sfb wrote:
It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is
significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets
seriously hurt or dies either way.


Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we
have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will
never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt.


Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
the stats.


I'm not being childish; I'm being quite reasonable, and I'm
asking you to be careful about using probabilistic language if
you don't really mean it.

You say that if someone is riding (or driving?) drunk, then
"chances are" there will be casualties. I say that, probably,
there are many, many more people riding drunk that don't get
into accidents than who do (especially if you use the legal
definition of "drunk" in most localities). But we'll never
know, because there's no way to count the total number of people
who are drunk and riding bicycles. at any given time.

(You'll not that I'm not condoning drunk riding, but pointing
out that your statement is indefensible.)

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Brooklyn, NY
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Old September 17th 06, 11:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
the
road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.


That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.

[...]

I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken
drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe
some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just plain
running right over cyclists.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old September 18th 06, 12:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,nyc.bicycles,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Dave
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Givin the fact that with cell phones and all sorts of new added distractions
for drivers add alcohol to the mix and you have one of the most lethal
drivers on the road anyone could ever meet riding a bike.
Dave
http://www.noweldrecumbent.com


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"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
the
road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.


That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.

[...]

I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken
drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe
some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just
plain running right over cyclists.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota




 




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