Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 20:22:00 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2020 7:35 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:43:00 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2020 5:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.

Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

No one carries a frame pump _ while racing_.
Lots of us carry frame pumps.

Yes, and I know some guys still riding with "toe cages" and
wooden soled shoes and, believe it or not, some are still
riding around on single speed bicycles. Can you imagine? Not
only no electric shift, but no shift at all :-)

I am one with my machine. Ommmmm.

That's often the way I feel when out on my fixie.

--
Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 5:43:37 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:43:00 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 11/25/2020 5:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Did my 25 mile 1900 feet of climbing ride on the steel bike. Actually couldn't tell any difference between it and the Trek Emonda other than the Di2 was a little maladjusted. Weight difference ready to ride was around 5 lbs. My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump. Also he probably rides with his water bottle empty And then snivels like a little child that isn't allow another cookie when I show the actual weight of these things.

Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still carries a
frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part of the same course
as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike portion was run and it was
noticeable that none of them were carrying a frame pump.



No one carries a frame pump _ while racing_.
Lots of us carry frame pumps.
Yes, and I know some guys still riding with "toe cages" and wooden
soled shoes and, believe it or not, some are still riding around on
single speed bicycles. Can you imagine? Not only no electric shift,
but no shift at all :-)

Must you always prove that you're a moron? Anyone that is touring carries a frame pump and they are a fixture on all long distance bikes with handlebar bags. But you having no riding ability at all shoot your stupid mouth off for the fun of it. When you are stupid stop demonstrating it to so many people.

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:
On 11/25/2020 3:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.
Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

I carry a CO2 inflator, but I still carry a tiny micropump
"just in case," and I've had to use it, too.
Ditto. I use the clown pump when all the C02 cartridges are
gone. CO2 cartridges are wasteful, but they are really
convenient, particularly when you're changing a flat in pouring
rain and don't want to stand around doing 2,000 strokes on the
clown pump.
Pump here, though smallish ones. Most of them can get the tire
close to 100 psi with that number of strokes or less. So far I
haven't used CO2, though I've considered it.
Note, when doing the annual or semi-annual (or whatever) full
service on the bike, remember to lube the clown pump and make
sure all the little parts are screwed on. I've had larger
pumps that just didn't work because something had rattled off,
or the plunger washer/valve gasket was dried out or cracked.
The emergency equipment needs to be looked after, too. For
Joerg, that would mean making sure that the defibrillator is
charged and there is fresh plasma in the pannier. Does anyone
still carry patch glue? There is something that magically
dries up.
Good advice. I carry patch glue, but rarely need it on the road..
When I have a few flat tubes collected, I go through the toolkits
from all my bikes and pull out any open (or old, beat up) glue
tubes to use then--replacing them with newer unopened glue tubes.
With that apprach I've yet to have a tube of glue fail to work on
the road.

Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2 inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher volume

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:
On 11/25/2020 3:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.
Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

I carry a CO2 inflator, but I still carry a tiny micropump
"just in case," and I've had to use it, too.
Ditto. I use the clown pump when all the C02 cartridges are
gone. CO2 cartridges are wasteful, but they are really
convenient, particularly when you're changing a flat in pouring
rain and don't want to stand around doing 2,000 strokes on the
clown pump.
Pump here, though smallish ones. Most of them can get the tire
close to 100 psi with that number of strokes or less. So far I
haven't used CO2, though I've considered it.
Note, when doing the annual or semi-annual (or whatever) full
service on the bike, remember to lube the clown pump and make
sure all the little parts are screwed on. I've had larger
pumps that just didn't work because something had rattled off,
or the plunger washer/valve gasket was dried out or cracked.
The emergency equipment needs to be looked after, too. For
Joerg, that would mean making sure that the defibrillator is
charged and there is fresh plasma in the pannier. Does anyone
still carry patch glue? There is something that magically
dries up.
Good advice. I carry patch glue, but rarely need it on the road..
When I have a few flat tubes collected, I go through the toolkits
from all my bikes and pull out any open (or old, beat up) glue
tubes to use then--replacing them with newer unopened glue tubes.
With that apprach I've yet to have a tube of glue fail to work on
the road.
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2 inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do that but my idea of touring is probably not others.
Deacon Mark

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:
On 11/25/2020 3:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.
Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

I carry a CO2 inflator, but I still carry a tiny micropump
"just in case," and I've had to use it, too.
Ditto. I use the clown pump when all the C02 cartridges are
gone. CO2 cartridges are wasteful, but they are really
convenient, particularly when you're changing a flat in pouring
rain and don't want to stand around doing 2,000 strokes on the
clown pump.
Pump here, though smallish ones. Most of them can get the tire
close to 100 psi with that number of strokes or less. So far I
haven't used CO2, though I've considered it.
Note, when doing the annual or semi-annual (or whatever) full
service on the bike, remember to lube the clown pump and make
sure all the little parts are screwed on. I've had larger
pumps that just didn't work because something had rattled off,
or the plunger washer/valve gasket was dried out or cracked.
The emergency equipment needs to be looked after, too. For
Joerg, that would mean making sure that the defibrillator is
charged and there is fresh plasma in the pannier. Does anyone
still carry patch glue? There is something that magically
dries up.
Good advice. I carry patch glue, but rarely need it on the road..
When I have a few flat tubes collected, I go through the toolkits
from all my bikes and pull out any open (or old, beat up) glue
tubes to use then--replacing them with newer unopened glue tubes.
With that apprach I've yet to have a tube of glue fail to work on
the road.
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2 inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of a full size frame pump.. I have my touring bike in the back yard and a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do that but my idea of touring is probably not others.
Deacon Mark
The yearly ride to the Great Western Bicycle Rally. We would carry everything and I had a tent in which I could also put my bike in case of rain as well as a kerosene stove which I was used to using on my sailboat. And the occasional ride to San Diego from Oakland. I rode once from Oakland to Lake Tahoe but would never do that again since the roads were not bicycle worthy.

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:
On 11/25/2020 3:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.
Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

I carry a CO2 inflator, but I still carry a tiny micropump
"just in case," and I've had to use it, too.
Ditto. I use the clown pump when all the C02 cartridges are
gone. CO2 cartridges are wasteful, but they are really
convenient, particularly when you're changing a flat in pouring
rain and don't want to stand around doing 2,000 strokes on the
clown pump.
Pump here, though smallish ones. Most of them can get the tire
close to 100 psi with that number of strokes or less. So far I
haven't used CO2, though I've considered it.
Note, when doing the annual or semi-annual (or whatever) full
service on the bike, remember to lube the clown pump and make
sure all the little parts are screwed on. I've had larger
pumps that just didn't work because something had rattled off,
or the plunger washer/valve gasket was dried out or cracked.
The emergency equipment needs to be looked after, too. For
Joerg, that would mean making sure that the defibrillator is
charged and there is fresh plasma in the pannier. Does anyone
still carry patch glue? There is something that magically
dries up.
Good advice. I carry patch glue, but rarely need it on the road..
When I have a few flat tubes collected, I go through the toolkits
from all my bikes and pull out any open (or old, beat up) glue
tubes to use then--replacing them with newer unopened glue tubes.
With that apprach I've yet to have a tube of glue fail to work on
the road.
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2 inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do that but my idea of touring is probably not others.
Deacon Mark
The yearly ride to the Great Western Bicycle Rally. We would carry everything and I had a tent in which I could also put my bike in case of rain as well as a kerosene stove which I was used to using on my sailboat. And the occasional ride to San Diego from Oakland. I rode once from Oakland to Lake Tahoe but would never do that again since the roads were not bicycle worthy.

I never put my bike in a tent, which would mean displacing my wife or (pre-marriage) a girlfriend -- or me, depending on the tent and the tour. My bike got wet, although I moved the panniers into the tent. My bike got wet during the day, too. Bikes get wet.

I didn't think the ride to Tahoe was that perilous. I always went via HWY 4/88/89 and didn't hit HWY 50 until Meyers. HWY 50 to South Lake Tahoe wasn't that bad. HWY 50 west of Myers was scary in a car let alone a bike. I know from Joerg that bikes aren't allowed on parts of that.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:21:53 p.m. UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:
On 11/25/2020 3:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.
Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

I carry a CO2 inflator, but I still carry a tiny micropump
"just in case," and I've had to use it, too.
Ditto. I use the clown pump when all the C02 cartridges are
gone. CO2 cartridges are wasteful, but they are really
convenient, particularly when you're changing a flat in pouring
rain and don't want to stand around doing 2,000 strokes on the
clown pump.
Pump here, though smallish ones. Most of them can get the tire
close to 100 psi with that number of strokes or less. So far I
haven't used CO2, though I've considered it.
Note, when doing the annual or semi-annual (or whatever) full
service on the bike, remember to lube the clown pump and make
sure all the little parts are screwed on. I've had larger
pumps that just didn't work because something had rattled off,
or the plunger washer/valve gasket was dried out or cracked.
The emergency equipment needs to be looked after, too. For
Joerg, that would mean making sure that the defibrillator is
charged and there is fresh plasma in the pannier. Does anyone
still carry patch glue? There is something that magically
dries up.
Good advice. I carry patch glue, but rarely need it on the road..
When I have a few flat tubes collected, I go through the toolkits
from all my bikes and pull out any open (or old, beat up) glue
tubes to use then--replacing them with newer unopened glue tubes.
With that apprach I've yet to have a tube of glue fail to work on
the road.
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2 inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do that but my idea of touring is probably not others.
Deacon Mark
The yearly ride to the Great Western Bicycle Rally. We would carry everything and I had a tent in which I could also put my bike in case of rain as well as a kerosene stove which I was used to using on my sailboat. And the occasional ride to San Diego from Oakland. I rode once from Oakland to Lake Tahoe but would never do that again since the roads were not bicycle worthy.
I never put my bike in a tent, which would mean displacing my wife or (pre-marriage) a girlfriend -- or me, depending on the tent and the tour. My bike got wet, although I moved the panniers into the tent. My bike got wet during the day, too. Bikes get wet.

I didn't think the ride to Tahoe was that perilous. I always went via HWY 4/88/89 and didn't hit HWY 50 until Meyers. HWY 50 to South Lake Tahoe wasn't that bad. HWY 50 west of Myers was scary in a car let alone a bike. I know from Joerg that bikes aren't allowed on parts of that.

-- Jay Beattie.

My hearing is pretty bad. therefore I put my bicycle inside the tent with me whenever I'm camped near other people. I have a low-rider front rack on it and I remove the front wheel and let the bicycle rest on the low-rider. It's very stable and I've never had it fall over. Doing that allows me to rest much better since I know the bicycle is safe.

Cheers

On 11/25/2020 7:43 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/25/2020 5:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Did my 25 mile 1900 feet of climbing ride on the steel bike. Actually
couldn't tell any difference between it and the Trek Emonda other
than the Di2 was a little maladjusted. Weight difference ready to
ride was around 5 lbs. My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit.
Frank will tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump. Also he
probably rides with his water bottle empty And then snivels like a
little child that isn't allow another cookie when I show the actual
weight of these things.

Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still carries a
frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part of the same course
as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike portion was run and it was
noticeable that none of them were carrying a frame pump.



No one carries a frame pump _ while racing_.
Lots of us carry frame pumps.

I have a frame pump on every normal bike. My folding bikes have smaller
pumps, but not true mini pumps.

On one club ride just a few years ago, my Zefal saved the day when
defective spare tubes and bad technique caused the crew's CO2 supply to
be wasted.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Tom Kunich writes:

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 5:43:37 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:43:00 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 11/25/2020 5:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

Did my 25 mile 1900 feet of climbing ride on the steel
bike. Actually couldn't tell any difference between it and the
Trek Emonda other than the Di2 was a little maladjusted. Weight
difference ready to ride was around 5 lbs. My look is 16 lbs
before bottle and flat kit. Frank will tell us that a flat kit
shouldn't weigh more than a couple of ounces but of course he
doesn't count his frame pump. Also he probably rides with his
water bottle empty And then snivels like a little child that
isn't allow another cookie when I show the actual weight of
these things.

Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still carries a
frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part of the same course
as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike portion was run and it was
noticeable that none of them were carrying a frame pump.



No one carries a frame pump _ while racing_.
Lots of us carry frame pumps.
Yes, and I know some guys still riding with "toe cages" and wooden
soled shoes and, believe it or not, some are still riding around on
single speed bicycles. Can you imagine? Not only no electric shift,
but no shift at all :-)

Must you always prove that you're a moron? Anyone that is touring
carries a frame pump and they are a fixture on all long distance bikes
with handlebar bags. But you having no riding ability at all shoot
your stupid mouth off for the fun of it. When you are stupid stop
demonstrating it to so many people.

I took a "frame pump" to mean something like a Zefal HP, a pump a person
could use to credibly threaten a beagle or raccoon (never mind a
rottweiler or mountain lion), not a twee thing clipped to a bottle cage
or lost in a jersey pocket. The latter sort seem more popular these
days, maybe because the frames have changed.

On 11/26/2020 3:11 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:21:53 p.m. UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 6:45:46 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 17:03:58 -0800 (PST),
jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 4:45:41 PM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:
On 11/25/2020 3:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

My look is 16 lbs before bottle and flat kit. Frank will
tell us that a flat kit shouldn't weigh more than a couple
of ounces but of course he doesn't count his frame pump.
Tommy, I hate to tell you but nobody who is anybody still
carries a frame pump. A couple of years ago I rode over part
of the same course as the Laguna Phuket Triathlon bike
portion was run and it was noticeable that none of them were
carrying a frame pump.

I carry a CO2 inflator, but I still carry a tiny micropump
"just in case," and I've had to use it, too.
Ditto. I use the clown pump when all the C02 cartridges are
gone. CO2 cartridges are wasteful, but they are really
convenient, particularly when you're changing a flat in pouring
rain and don't want to stand around doing 2,000 strokes on the
clown pump.
Pump here, though smallish ones. Most of them can get the tire
close to 100 psi with that number of strokes or less. So far I
haven't used CO2, though I've considered it.
Note, when doing the annual or semi-annual (or whatever) full
service on the bike, remember to lube the clown pump and make
sure all the little parts are screwed on. I've had larger
pumps that just didn't work because something had rattled off,
or the plunger washer/valve gasket was dried out or cracked.
The emergency equipment needs to be looked after, too. For
Joerg, that would mean making sure that the defibrillator is
charged and there is fresh plasma in the pannier. Does anyone
still carry patch glue? There is something that magically
dries up.
Good advice. I carry patch glue, but rarely need it on the road..
When I have a few flat tubes collected, I go through the toolkits
from all my bikes and pull out any open (or old, beat up) glue
tubes to use then--replacing them with newer unopened glue tubes.
With that apprach I've yet to have a tube of glue fail to work on
the road.
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2 inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do that but my idea of touring is probably not others.
Deacon Mark
The yearly ride to the Great Western Bicycle Rally. We would carry everything and I had a tent in which I could also put my bike in case of rain as well as a kerosene stove which I was used to using on my sailboat. And the occasional ride to San Diego from Oakland. I rode once from Oakland to Lake Tahoe but would never do that again since the roads were not bicycle worthy.
I never put my bike in a tent, which would mean displacing my wife or (pre-marriage) a girlfriend -- or me, depending on the tent and the tour. My bike got wet, although I moved the panniers into the tent. My bike got wet during the day, too. Bikes get wet.

I didn't think the ride to Tahoe was that perilous. I always went via HWY 4/88/89 and didn't hit HWY 50 until Meyers. HWY 50 to South Lake Tahoe wasn't that bad. HWY 50 west of Myers was scary in a car let alone a bike. I know from Joerg that bikes aren't allowed on parts of that.

-- Jay Beattie.

My hearing is pretty bad. therefore I put my bicycle inside the tent with me whenever I'm camped near other people. I have a low-rider front rack on it and I remove the front wheel and let the bicycle rest on the low-rider. It's very stable and I've never had it fall over. Doing that allows me to rest much better since I know the bicycle is safe.

When camping by bike, I've sometimes bungeed or otherwise hooked the
bike to a tent pole, figuring I'd be sure to notice any disturbance. But
it's never proven necessary.

When camping around others, the only complaint has been noisy parties in
other campsites. We've never suffered any theft.

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- Frank Krygowski