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Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
sfb wrote:
It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets seriously hurt or dies either way. Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt. -- Steven O'Neill Brooklyn, NY |
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Riding a bicycle in traffic
People are far more distracted with cell phones, pda s, elaborate sound
systems, ect.,, than they used to be. They had a guy dress up as a gorilla for a test. They had several drivers drive a pre planned route to see if they noticed anything unusual. None of them seemed to notice during the test that a guy in a gorilla costume was walking next to the road. They noticed that people have selective vision only seeing what is expected. The same thing happened with native indians when ships would sail in the seas. They only saw ripples in the water but not the boats because they didn't know anything like it existed or have ever seen one before. After a period of time the boats started to appear to them. If I find the article I will post it otherwise if someone is familiar with it please list the link Dave http://www.noweldrecumbent.com "Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks. That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities. http://rightofway.org/research/cyclists.pdf -- Steven O'Neill Brooklyn, NY |
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Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of
the stats. "Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message ... sfb wrote: It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets seriously hurt or dies either way. Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt. -- Steven O'Neill Brooklyn, NY |
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Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
Actually, the person that may be most hurt is the driver that takes out the
cyclist when the cyclist wanders out into traffic. The innocent driver has to live the rest of their life knowing they killed somebody. "David Kerber" wrote in message t... In article , says... It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets seriously hurt or dies either way. Yes, but on a bike it's usually only the drunk who is hurt, and not innocent bystanders or other drivers. "dgk" wrote in message ... Still significantly better than driving while drunk. -- Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the newsgroups if possible). |
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Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
sfb wrote: Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of the stats. If you mean "We don't have stats, but we are sure this behavior is dangerous," that might be reasonable. If you mean "The stats show this behavior is safe, but we know it's really dangerous," that's foolish. Fortunately, I'm sure you meant the former. - Frank Krygowski |
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Cycling while drinking (was: Riding a bicycle in traffic)
sfb wrote:
"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message sfb wrote: It takes a pretty warped sense of values to think riding while drunk is significantly better than driving while drunk. Chances are somebody gets seriously hurt or dies either way. Can we get a cite for this? Actually, no we can't, because we have no idea how many cyclists cycle drunk, and therefore will never know at what rate "someone" is seriously hurt. Stop being childish. Dangerous behavior is dangerous behavior regardless of the stats. I'm not being childish; I'm being quite reasonable, and I'm asking you to be careful about using probabilistic language if you don't really mean it. You say that if someone is riding (or driving?) drunk, then "chances are" there will be casualties. I say that, probably, there are many, many more people riding drunk that don't get into accidents than who do (especially if you use the legal definition of "drunk" in most localities). But we'll never know, because there's no way to count the total number of people who are drunk and riding bicycles. at any given time. (You'll not that I'm not condoning drunk riding, but pointing out that your statement is indefensible.) -- Steven O'Neill Brooklyn, NY |
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"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks. That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities. [...] I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just plain running right over cyclists. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Givin the fact that with cell phones and all sorts of new added distractions
for drivers add alcohol to the mix and you have one of the most lethal drivers on the road anyone could ever meet riding a bike. Dave http://www.noweldrecumbent.com "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:0LKdnVvZaMCBTZDYnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@prairiewave. com... "Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks. That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities. [...] I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just plain running right over cyclists. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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