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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
On Oct 2, 6:15*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"SebastianW" wrote in message ... [...] The risk of injury is one that every mountain biker understands, and thus undertakes in the sport accordingly. It is unfortunate that this man is injured, but it is not unheard of by any means. Every aspect of our life involves risk, even riding public transportation, something you often advocate, and it is up to the individual to decide what risks to take. No one forces you to ride your bike off of jumps, it is entirely a personal choice. Cyclists who do a lot of mountain biking do indeed know the risks, but most neophytes do not. Their brains are full of all sorts of nonsense about how enjoyable it can be without any awareness of the dangers. Mr. Vandeman performs a valuable service by informing neophytes of the dangers. Mountain bike trails often contain jumps because negotiating them is extremely enjoyable, such that the discipline of riding called Dirt jumping has been created specifically for that purpose. Pictured in the link below is a series of dirt jumps of various sizes. Single track trails for mountain bikers need to constructed especially for them and should not be mingled in any manner with trails for hikers. Abandoned city dumps and gravel pits would be ideal for them. Trails that are multi-use, ie. intended for both hikers and cyclists, will almost never have jumps on them, and if they do they will be easily negotiable, and not feature gaps between the take off and the landing as shown in the picture below. "Multi-use trail" is an oxy-moron. Cyclists need their own trails just as hikers do. Trails that are created for the purpose of cycling on the other hand, are free to have whatever stunts they like, as only cyclists will be attempting them. An example of something built on a mountain biking specific trail that shouldn't be on a multi use trail is the teeter- totter shown in the picture below. "Single track trails for mountain bikers need to constructed especially for them and should not be mingled in any manner with trails for hikers. Abandoned city dumps and gravel pits would be ideal for them." - Ed Dolan I see no issue with stunts like jumps on mountain bike specific trails, for the very reason that they are intended for the use of cyclists only. Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to kill themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist upon posting articles like these about injured riders? |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
"SebastianW" wrote in message
... On Oct 2, 6:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to kill themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours! If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist upon posting articles like these about injured riders? We care about what mountain bikers are doing to the extent that they impact hiking trails and wilderness values. Both Mr. Vandeman and I detest mountain bikers and would like to see them all dead, at least those that like you think it is smart to do jumps in the lap of mother nature. If neophytes can be discouraged from mountain biking by the kind of articles that Mr. Vandeman posts, then so much the better. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
On Oct 3, 1:29*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"SebastianW" wrote in message ... On Oct 2, 6:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to kill themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours! If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist upon posting articles like these about injured riders? We care about what mountain bikers are doing to the extent that they impact hiking trails and wilderness values. Both Mr. Vandeman and I detest mountain bikers and would like to see them all dead, at least those that like you think it is smart to do jumps in the lap of mother nature. If neophytes can be discouraged from mountain biking by the kind of articles that Mr. Vandeman posts, then so much the better. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other - from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are only two. years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess you can say your side has doubled in membership! LOL!!! you have zip - zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer) because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of it all. we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing sport behind us. sucks to be you. and all the while at least there are other groups where we can discuss our sports and the likes of you arent around, so we just keep growing over there. kinda like fighting auto dependency - the wondrous results of which you never seem to share with us - you are just a hamster spinning his wheel....... enjoy your day on the couch. |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
On Oct 3, 5:32*am, charley wrote:
On Oct 3, 1:29*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: "SebastianW" wrote in message .... On Oct 2, 6:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to kill themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours! If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist upon posting articles like these about injured riders? We care about what mountain bikers are doing to the extent that they impact hiking trails and wilderness values. Both Mr. Vandeman and I detest mountain bikers and would like to see them all dead, at least those that like you think it is smart to do jumps in the lap of mother nature. If neophytes can be discouraged from mountain biking by the kind of articles that Mr. Vandeman posts, then so much the better. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. That's what mountain bikers say whenever someone tells the truth about their selfish, disgusting sport. They can't STAND to hear the truth. TOUGH! |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
"charley" wrote in message
... [...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other - from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are only two. years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess you can say your side has doubled in membership! LOL!!! you have zip - zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer) because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of it all. we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing sport behind us. sucks to be you. You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible? The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to be one screwed up *******! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
On Oct 3, 2:52*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"charley" wrote in message ... [...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other - from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are only two. *years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess you can say your side has doubled in membership! *LOL!!! you have zip - zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer) because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of it all. *we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing sport behind us. *sucks to be you. You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible? The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to be one screwed up *******! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Maybe because to the average person they're just recreational activities, and one can enjoy both equally. Regardles, I'm done with this crap. I'm going riding, on a multipurpose trail, and I'm sure as hell not going to go slow. |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
On Oct 3, 8:39*pm, SebastianW wrote:
On Oct 3, 2:52*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: "charley" wrote in message .... [...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other - from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are only two. *years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess you can say your side has doubled in membership! *LOL!!! you have zip - zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer) because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of it all. *we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing sport behind us. *sucks to be you. You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible? The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to be one screwed up *******! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Maybe because to the average person they're just recreational activities, and one can enjoy both equally. Regardles, I'm done with this crap. I'm going riding, on a multipurpose trail, and I'm sure as hell not going to go slow. Good. Break a leg! |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
On Oct 3, 4:52*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"charley" wrote in message ... [...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other - from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are only two. *years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess you can say your side has doubled in membership! *LOL!!! you have zip - zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer) because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of it all. *we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing sport behind us. *sucks to be you. You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible? The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to be one screwed up *******! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota no wonder you cant understand, i am not the least bit surprised. as hard as it is for you to comprehend, i actually support mountain biking where it is allowed and support no mountain biking where it is not allowed - such as national parks. therefore you see i am the perfectly evolved nature conservationist - i can support and practice both activities where they are appropriate. its classic yin and yang - the perfect balance. balance is something your mind can not comprehend, for your mind exhibits classic "unbalanceness". you would be scary if you actually had a brain and were half-way physically fit. |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
"charley" wrote in message
... On Oct 3, 4:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible? The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to be one screwed up *******! no wonder you cant understand, i am not the least bit surprised. as hard as it is for you to comprehend, i actually support mountain biking where it is allowed and support no mountain biking where it is not allowed - such as national parks. therefore you see i am the perfectly evolved nature conservationist - i can support and practice both activities where they are appropriate. its classic yin and yang - the perfect balance. balance is something your mind can not comprehend, for your mind exhibits classic "unbalanceness". you would be scary if you actually had a brain and were half-way physically fit. I don't want any mountain biking on any hiking trail no matter where such a trail is located. If land managers had half a brain they would know that the two modes of recreation are incompatible with one another. That is something you would know too if you weren't such a jackass. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon
"SebastianW" wrote in message ... On Oct 3, 2:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: "charley" wrote in message ... [...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other - from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are only two. years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess you can say your side has doubled in membership! LOL!!! you have zip - zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer) because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of it all. we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing sport behind us. sucks to be you. You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible? The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to be one screwed up *******! Maybe because to the average person they're just recreational activities, and one can enjoy both equally. Regardles, I'm done with this crap. I'm going riding, on a multipurpose trail, and I'm sure as hell not going to go slow. Yes, by all means, go fast, hit an obstacle, go over the handle bars and break your ****ing neck. Then lie around for the rest of your life, paralyzed from the neck down. Well, that is mountain biking for you - healthy to the bitter end! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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