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Old October 3rd 18, 09:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Radey Shouman
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

AMuzi writes:

On 10/3/2018 2:44 PM, Duane wrote:
On 03/10/2018 2:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4,
jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir
Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be
allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg



-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated
CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red
on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's
supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks.
That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for
bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the
roads.

Cheers

Cheers

Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will
be a test later.

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to
permit recognition and identification under illumination
from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector
combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined

16 CFR §1512.16 in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets
the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and
(n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field
of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally.
Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors.

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an
essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially
colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red
rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire
sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the
spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake
bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of
spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.)
of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall
be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the
reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be
mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with
the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below
the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the
line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector
shall be directed rearward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors
located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The
reflector elements may be either integral with the
construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but
shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the
pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of
the reflector element with a flat surface placed in
contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel
spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or
within the spoke cage such that the angle between the
optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel
shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane
of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any
wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices
shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front
wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount,
and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance
with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the
reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective
tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted
reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the
following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire
such that after the tire has been subjected to a
temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30
minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or
scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to
abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that
when retroreflective material is removed from the
inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle
brush, tire material will be removed along with the
retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties
over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the
retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder
is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the
selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when
the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any
orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are
used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or
retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material
shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim
in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following
requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade,
or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the
tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb
and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull
in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape
material must break before additional separation
(peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in
accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective
rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance
properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If
his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side
reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color
of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law
by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down
by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.

Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers


I don't think there is a U.S.A. law. I think in the states
it's by the state as it's by the province in Canada. That
said, amber is allowed in Quebec in some positions.

232. Every bicycle must carry
(1) one white reflector at the front;
(2) one red reflector at the rear;
(3) one amber or white reflector on each pedal;
(4) on the front wheel, an amber or white reflector
attached to the spokes and visible on both sides of the
bicycle, an amber or white reflective strip attached to each
side of the fork, a tire with reflective sidewalls or a rim
with a continuous reflective strip around the entire
circumference of the wheel on both sides; and
(5) on the back wheel, a red or white reflector attached to
the spokes and visible on both sides of the bicycle, a red
or white reflective strip on each seat stay, a tire with
reflective sidewalls, or a rim with a continuous reflective
strip around the entire circumference of the wheel on both
sides.
Despite the first paragraph, a bicycle need not carry the
reflector required under subparagraph 3 of that paragraph if
the cyclist wears a reflective band around each ankle or
shoes with reflective strips.
Any equipment or object placed on a bicycle that blocks a
prescribed reflector or its substitute must carry a
reflector or a reflective strip.
A trailer towed by a bicycle must carry two red reflectors
at the rear, as far apart as practicable, or a red
reflective strip placed as close to horizontal as possible
across the width of the trailer.
1986, c. 91, s. 232; 2010, c. 34, s. 45; 2018, c. 7, s. 43.



OK I think I found it:
https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manuf...-Requirements/

note link to subsection 1512.16:

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...12_main_02.tpl

Special note to fitness/performance crowd:
"(1) A rider weighing at least 150 pounds must ride a bicycle at least
4 miles with the tires inflated to maximum recommended pressure. The
rider must travel five times at a speed of at least 15 miles per hour
over a 100 foot cleated course."

Which seems to indicate a regulation of cyclists and cycling rather
than actual hardware.


I think you might have meant subsection 1512.18, although the verbiage
in that section is not exactly as in your excerpt. It describes a
testing procedure, not very rigorous, but neither completely ridiculous.

Unless I am mistaken, all of the quoted US law prescribes minimum
standards for bicycles offered for sale. The Canadian laws quoted seem
to prescribe standards for bicycles as they are ridden on public ways.

US states do have similar laws, although I have never lived anywhere
that they are actually enforced.
--
Ads
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Old October 3rd 18, 10:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 10/3/2018 2:44 PM, Duane wrote:
On 03/10/2018 2:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4,
jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir
Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be
allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg



-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated
CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red
on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's
supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks.
That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for
bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the
roads.

Cheers

Cheers

Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will
be a test later.

16 CFR 1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to
permit recognition and identification under illumination
from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector
combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined

16 CFR §1512.16 in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets
the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and
(n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field
of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally.
Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors.

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an
essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially
colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red
rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire
sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the
spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake
bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of
spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.)
of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall
be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the
reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be
mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with
the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below
the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the
line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector
shall be directed rearward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors
located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The
reflector elements may be either integral with the
construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but
shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the
pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of
the reflector element with a flat surface placed in
contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel
spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or
within the spoke cage such that the angle between the
optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel
shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane
of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any
wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices
shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front
wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount,
and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance
with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the
reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective
tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted
reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the
following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire
such that after the tire has been subjected to a
temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30
minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or
scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to
abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that
when retroreflective material is removed from the
inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle
brush, tire material will be removed along with the
retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties
over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the
retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder
is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the
selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when
the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any
orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are
used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or
retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material
shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim
in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following
requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade,
or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the
tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb
and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull
in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape
material must break before additional separation
(peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in
accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective
rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance
properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If
his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side
reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color
of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law
by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down
by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.

Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers


I don't think there is a U.S.A. law. I think in the states
it's by the state as it's by the province in Canada. That
said, amber is allowed in Quebec in some positions.

232. Every bicycle must carry
(1) one white reflector at the front;
(2) one red reflector at the rear;
(3) one amber or white reflector on each pedal;
(4) on the front wheel, an amber or white reflector
attached to the spokes and visible on both sides of the
bicycle, an amber or white reflective strip attached to each
side of the fork, a tire with reflective sidewalls or a rim
with a continuous reflective strip around the entire
circumference of the wheel on both sides; and
(5) on the back wheel, a red or white reflector attached to
the spokes and visible on both sides of the bicycle, a red
or white reflective strip on each seat stay, a tire with
reflective sidewalls, or a rim with a continuous reflective
strip around the entire circumference of the wheel on both
sides.
Despite the first paragraph, a bicycle need not carry the
reflector required under subparagraph 3 of that paragraph if
the cyclist wears a reflective band around each ankle or
shoes with reflective strips.
Any equipment or object placed on a bicycle that blocks a
prescribed reflector or its substitute must carry a
reflector or a reflective strip.
A trailer towed by a bicycle must carry two red reflectors
at the rear, as far apart as practicable, or a red
reflective strip placed as close to horizontal as possible
across the width of the trailer.
1986, c. 91, s. 232; 2010, c. 34, s. 45; 2018, c. 7, s. 43.



OK I think I found it:
https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manuf...-Requirements/

note link to subsection 1512.16:

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...12_main_02.tpl

Special note to fitness/performance crowd:
"(1) A rider weighing at least 150 pounds must ride a bicycle at least
4 miles with the tires inflated to maximum recommended pressure. The
rider must travel five times at a speed of at least 15 miles per hour
over a 100 foot cleated course."

Which seems to indicate a regulation of cyclists and cycling rather
than actual hardware.


I think you might have meant subsection 1512.18, although the verbiage
in that section is not exactly as in your excerpt. It describes a
testing procedure, not very rigorous, but neither completely ridiculous.

Unless I am mistaken, all of the quoted US law prescribes minimum
standards for bicycles offered for sale. The Canadian laws quoted seem
to prescribe standards for bicycles as they are ridden on public ways.

US states do have similar laws, although I have never lived anywhere
that they are actually enforced.
--




Yes, this is the Consumer Products Safety Commission's regulation relating to the sale of bicycles. The cite looks good: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/1512.16



The typical UVC (Uniform Vehicle Code) provision states:

12-701-Application of chapter to bicycles
No provision in this chapter shall apply to bicycles nor to
equipment for use on bicycles except as to provisions in this article
or unless a provision has been made specifically applicable to
bicyclists, bicycles or their equipment.

S 12-702-Headlight and taillight required at night
Every bicycle in use at the times described in 12-201 shall be equipped
with a headlight on the front emitting a white light visible from a
distance of at least 500 feet to the front, and a taillight on the rear
emitting a red light visible from a distance of at least 1000 feet to
the rear.

S 12-703-Rear reflector required at all times
Every bicycle shall be equipped with a red reflector of a type
approved by the department which shall be visible for 600 feet to the
rear when directly in front of lawful lower beams of headlights on a
motor vehicle.

S 12-704Side reflector or light required at night
Every bicycle when in use at the times described in S 12-201 shall
be equipped with reflective material of sufficient size and
reflectivity to be visible from both sides for 600 feet when directly
in front of lawful lower beams of head lamps on a motor vehicle, or, in
lieu of such reflective material, with a lighted lamp visible from both
sides from a distance of at least 500 feet.

S 12-705-Additional lights or reflectors authorized
A bicycle or its rider may be equipped with lights or reflectors in
addition to those required by the foregoing sections. These lights
and/or reflectors may be LED or regular, steady or flashing, as long as
they comply with the requirements or limitations of the department.

S 12-706-Brake required
Every bicycle shall be equipped with a brake or brakes which will
enable its driver to stop the bicycle within 15 feet from a speed of 10
miles per hour on dry, level, clean pavement.

S 12-707 Sirens, whistles prohibited
No bicycle may be equipped with a siren or whistle. No person may
use a siren or whistle when operating a bicycle.

Most states have some version of this rule. In Oregon: https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/815.280

I'm pushing for a rule in Oregon requiring fenders with a full rear flap. Rain is returning. And I want to repeal the no-siren rule. How is a cyclist to be truly conspicuous without a siren?

-- Jay Beattie.
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:08:20 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:

I plead TLDR on this. It may or may not be in he

https://www.cpsc.gov/Regulations-Law...ules/Bicycles/

or he
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...s-for-bicycles

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I had no idea this is how the minimum insertion mark on a seatpost is set.

§ 1512.15
Requirements for seat.
(b) Seat post. The seat post shall contain a permanent mark or ring that clearly indicates the minimum insertion depth (maximum seat-height adjustment); the mark shall not affect the structural integrity of the seat post. This mark shall be located no less than two seat-post diameters from the lowest point on the post shaft, and the post strength shall be maintained for at least a length of one shaft diameter below the mark.
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On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 4:09:39 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:


S 12-707 Sirens, whistles prohibited
No bicycle may be equipped with a siren or whistle. No person may
use a siren or whistle when operating a bicycle.

I'm pushing for a rule in Oregon requiring fenders with a full rear flap. Rain is returning. And I want to repeal the no-siren rule. How is a cyclist to be truly conspicuous without a siren?

-- Jay Beattie.


How can they make it illegal to have a siren/horn on a bicycle, yet cars and motorcycles are required to have horns so drivers can blare them at cyclists? I am aware that fair and law are not related.
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

AMuzi wrote:
On 10/3/2018 2:44 PM, Duane wrote:
On 03/10/2018 2:16 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 12:16:07 PM UTC-4,
jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:04:27 PM UTC-7, Sir
Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 2:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 1:09:38 PM UTC-4, AMuzi
wrote:
On 10/2/2018 11:29 AM, jbeattie wrote:
Snipped
StVZO are job-killing regulations. Markets should be
allowed to regulate light output. Die globalists, die!
https://www.brooksengland.com/media/...1638b377e8.jpg



-- Jay Beattie.


Nice try but it's not safe. No Federally mandated
CPSC wheel
reflectors. Anything could happen!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

#1. Is that Joerg's bicycle?

#2. I see a wheel reflector on each wheel.

Cheers


Nice try but they're the old Amber, not the current Safety
White. Danger!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Here they're supposed to be white on the front and red
on the rear. Ditto for the safety reflective tape that's
supposed to be applied to the front and rear forks.
That's according to Ontario, Canada law.

If cops were real sticklers to the requirements for
bicycles there'ld be darn few Legal bicycles here on the
roads.

Cheers

Cheers

Amber or white are acceptable. Memorize this. There will
be a test later.

16 CFR §1512.16 Requirements for reflectors.
Bicycles shall be equipped with reflective devices to
permit recognition and identification under illumination
from motor vehicle headlamps. The use of reflector
combinations off the center plane of the bicycle (defined
in §1512.18(m)(2)) is acceptable if each reflector meets
the requirements of this section and of §1512.18 (m) and
(n) and the combination of reflectors has a clear field
of view of ±10° vertically and ±50° horizontally.
Sidewalk bicycles are not required to have reflectors.

(a) Front, rear, and pedal reflectors. There shall be an
essentially colorless front-facing reflector, essentially
colorless or amber pedal reflectors, and a red
rear-facing reflector.

(b) Side reflectors. There shall be retroreflective tire
sidewalls or, alternatively, reflectors mounted on the
spokes of each wheel, or, for non-caliper rim brake
bicycles, retroreflective wheel rims. The center of
spoke-mounted reflectors shall be within 76 mm (3.0 in.)
of the inside of the rim. Side reflective devices shall
be visible on each side of the wheel.

(c) Front reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The optical axis of the
reflector shall be directed forward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are tracking in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (c) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The front reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(d) Rear reflector. The reflector or mount shall not
contact the ground plane when the bicycle is resting on
that plane in any orientation. The reflector shall be
mounted such that it is to the rear of the seat mast with
the top of the reflector at least 76 mm (3.0 in) below
the point on the seat surface that is intersected by the
line of the seat post. The optical axis of the reflector
shall be directed rearward within 5° of the
horizontal-vertical alignment of the bicycle when the
wheels are traveling in a straight line, as defined in
§1512.18(m)(2). The reflectors and/or mounts shall
incorporate a distinct, preferred assembly method that
shall insure that the reflector meets the optical
requirements of this paragraph (d) when the reflector is
attached to the bicycle. The rear reflector shall be
tested in accordance with the reflector mount and
alignment test, §1512.18(m).

(e) Pedal reflectors. Each pedal shall have reflectors
located on the front and rear surfaces of the pedal. The
reflector elements may be either integral with the
construction of the pedal or mechanically attached, but
shall be sufficiently recessed from the edge of the
pedal, or of the reflector housing, to prevent contact of
the reflector element with a flat surface placed in
contact with the edge of the pedal.

(f) Side reflectors. Reflectors affixed to the wheel
spokes shall be mounted either flat on the spokes or
within the spoke cage such that the angle between the
optical axis and the normal to the plane of the wheel
shall not exceed the angle of the spokes with the plane
of the wheel. The reflectors shall not interfere with any
wheel adjustments. The side-mounted reflector devices
shall be essentially colorless or amber on the front
wheel and essentially colorless or red on the rear wheel.

(g) Reflector tests. The pedal, front-mount, rear-mount,
and side-mount reflectors shall be tested in accordance
with the reflector test, §1512.18(n), to assure the
reflectance values over the angles given in tables 1 and 2.

(h) Retroreflective tire sidewalls. When retroreflective
tire sidewalls are used in lieu of spoke-mounted
reflectors, the reflecting material shall meet the
following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the sidewall.

(2) The retroreflective material shall adhere to the tire
such that after the tire has been subjected to a
temperature of 50° ±3 °C (122° ±5.4 °F) for 30
minutes, the retroreflective material cannot be peeled or
scraped away without removal of tire material.

(3) The retroreflective material shall be as resistant to
abrasion as is the adjacent sidewall material so that
when retroreflective material is removed from the
inflated tire by abrasion with a wet, steel bristle
brush, tire material will be removed along with the
retroreflective material.

(4) The retroreflective material shall be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
test, §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance properties
over the angles given in table 3. When a portion of the
retroreflective material is selected (and the remainder
is masked as specified in §1512.18(o)(2)(i)), the
selected portion shall not contact the ground plane when
the assembled bicycle is resting on that plane in any
orientation.

(i) Retroreflective rims. When retroreflective rims are
used in lieu of spoke-mounted reflectors or
retroreflective tire sidewalls, the reflecting material
shall meet the following requirements:

(1) The retroreflective material shall form a continuous
circle on the rim.

(2) If the retroreflective material is applied to the rim
in the form of a self-adhesive tape, the following
requirement must be met: Use a sharp knife, razor blade,
or similar instrument to carefully release an end of the
tape material sufficient to be grasped between the thumb
and finger. Grasp the freed tape end and gradually pull
in a direction 90° to the plane of the rim. The tape
material must break before additional separation
(peeling) from the rim is observed.

(3) After the retroreflective material is abraded in
accordance with the abrasion test for retroreflective
rims at §1512.18(r), the rim must then be tested for
performance in accordance with the retroreflective tire
and rim test at §1512.18(o), to assure the reflectance
properties over the angles given in table 3.


Question One:

Johnny is riding down the sidewalk on his bicycle. If
his bicycle is is festooned with wheel-mounted side
reflectors in accordance with the law, what is the color
of the reflector in his front wheel?

a. Amber

b. Essentially Colorless

c. Either a or b

d. Neither a or b because Johnny is on a sidewalk bicycle

e. None of the above because Johnny is breaking the law
by riding his bicycle on the sidewalk and was taken down
by the police.


-- Jay Beattie.

Is all that U.S.A. law or Ontario, Canada law?

Cheers


I don't think there is a U.S.A. law. I think in the states
it's by the state as it's by the province in Canada. That
said, amber is allowed in Quebec in some positions.

232. Every bicycle must carry
(1) one white reflector at the front;
(2) one red reflector at the rear;
(3) one amber or white reflector on each pedal;
(4) on the front wheel, an amber or white reflector
attached to the spokes and visible on both sides of the
bicycle, an amber or white reflective strip attached to each
side of the fork, a tire with reflective sidewalls or a rim
with a continuous reflective strip around the entire
circumference of the wheel on both sides; and
(5) on the back wheel, a red or white reflector attached to
the spokes and visible on both sides of the bicycle, a red
or white reflective strip on each seat stay, a tire with
reflective sidewalls, or a rim with a continuous reflective
strip around the entire circumference of the wheel on both
sides.
Despite the first paragraph, a bicycle need not carry the
reflector required under subparagraph 3 of that paragraph if
the cyclist wears a reflective band around each ankle or
shoes with reflective strips.
Any equipment or object placed on a bicycle that blocks a
prescribed reflector or its substitute must carry a
reflector or a reflective strip.
A trailer towed by a bicycle must carry two red reflectors
at the rear, as far apart as practicable, or a red
reflective strip placed as close to horizontal as possible
across the width of the trailer.
1986, c. 91, s. 232; 2010, c. 34, s. 45; 2018, c. 7, s. 43.


I plead TLDR on this. It may or may not be in he

https://www.cpsc.gov/Regulations-Law...ules/Bicycles/

or he
https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...s-for-bicycles

The tubular tire section is hilarious.


Thanks. I thought it was by state.

--
duane
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:00:11 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/3/2018 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 4:09:39 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:


S 12-707 Sirens, whistles prohibited
No bicycle may be equipped with a siren or whistle. No person may
use a siren or whistle when operating a bicycle.

I'm pushing for a rule in Oregon requiring fenders with a full rear flap. Rain is returning. And I want to repeal the no-siren rule. How is a cyclist to be truly conspicuous without a siren?

-- Jay Beattie.


How can they make it illegal to have a siren/horn on a bicycle, yet cars and motorcycles are required to have horns so drivers can blare them at cyclists? I am aware that fair and law are not related.


I have no idea.
The usual scenario is that some major vendor of sirens or
whatnot refuses to pay up during 'rulemaking'. I don't think
such a vendor exists for bicycle sirens, so one guess is as
good as another.


And I should have said "law" and not "rule." CPSC makes rules. Legislatures pass traffic laws like the UVC. In either case, BIG SIREN is lurking in the background, manipulating legislators and administrators -- waiting to propose its mandatory siren rule to the CPSC and a multi-state model law for sirens on bicycles. Soon, sirens will be mandatory!

BTW, regulation created some of the greatest of (former) American companies like Portland-based Freighliner. Those snub-nosed cab-over tractors were invented to maximize cargo space under the ICC/DOT regulations limiting tractor/trailer LOA. Every regulation creates a business opportunity. Regulations are job creators!

-- Jay Beattie.

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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:

BTW, regulation created some of the greatest of (former) American companies like Portland-based Freighliner. Those snub-nosed cab-over tractors were invented to maximize cargo space under the ICC/DOT regulations limiting tractor/trailer LOA. Every regulation creates a business opportunity. Regulations are job creators!

-- Jay Beattie.


I can see that. Use a longer trailer, haul more stuff, if you use a short cabover truck/engine. Only problem is you would then have different length trailers for cabover and engine in front trucks. Trailer manufacturers would not like that. They want uniformity. And all the shippers loading material into the trailers would have to adjust to loading a different volume in each trailer.
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Default SIX thousand and FIVE hundred lumens !!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:

BTW, regulation created some of the greatest of (former) American companies like Portland-based Freighliner. Those snub-nosed cab-over tractors were invented to maximize cargo space under the ICC/DOT regulations limiting tractor/trailer LOA. Every regulation creates a business opportunity. Regulations are job creators!

-- Jay Beattie.


I can see that. Use a longer trailer, haul more stuff, if you use a short cabover truck/engine. Only problem is you would then have different length trailers for cabover and engine in front trucks. Trailer manufacturers would not like that. They want uniformity. And all the shippers loading material into the trailers would have to adjust to loading a different volume in each trailer.


I think that in the U.S. trailer makers must produce trailers in
varying lengths already as the overall length of the tractor - trailer
unit varies considerable from state to state with New Hampshire and S.
Carolina limiting overall length to 53 feet while Wyoming allows an 85
foot overall length.
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Cheers,

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John B. Slocomb wrote:
:On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

:On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
:
: BTW, regulation created some of the greatest of (former) American companies like Portland-based Freighliner. Those snub-nosed cab-over tractors were invented to maximize cargo space under the ICC/DOT regulations limiting tractor/trailer LOA. Every regulation creates a business opportunity. Regulations are job creators!
:
: -- Jay Beattie.
:
:I can see that. Use a longer trailer, haul more stuff, if you use a short cabover truck/engine. Only problem is you would then have different length trailers for cabover and engine in front trucks. Trailer manufacturers would not like that. They want uniformity. And all the shippers loading material into the trailers would have to adjust to loading a different volume in each trailer.

:I think that in the U.S. trailer makers must produce trailers in
:varying lengths already as the overall length of the tractor - trailer
:unit varies considerable from state to state with New Hampshire and S.
:Carolina limiting overall length to 53 feet while Wyoming allows an 85
:foot overall length.

53 foot is a standard single trailer. Combination trailers use
shorter trailers, typically 28 feet, six inches long, with some
variation. Trucking companies like combination vehicles for a variety
of reasons, not least it lets one tractor pull more stuff. But also
the individual pups are more flexible, if you are delivering or
picking up multiple at the same location, each one can be put its own
dock door, and loaded or unloaded in parallel; a single pup can be
used for urban delivery service, and it makes cross country routing a
bit easier.

That's van trucks. other stuff follows their own rules, some of it
highly specialized.

--
Movable type was evidently a fad. --Amanda Walker
 




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