Cyclist, hill, pothole, over the handlebars

Squashme wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:09 pm, M Wicks wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:59 am, Squashme wrote:

On Mar 18, 8:06 am, Dave - Cyclists VOHR
wrote:

On 18/03/2013 07:07, nik.morgan wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Why do cyclists travel so fast that they cannot avoid potholes, they know
that they will be thrown over the bars if they hit one.

We have been told that is impossible to be thrown over the bars therefore
they probably don't feel at risk.

Unless they are wearing a helmet, in which case they will take more
risks :-)

You motorists need to pay more for the damage that you cause and
injuries which you inflict.

Why are you mentioning motorists again? Why can you never talk about
cycling without immediately having a go at drivers? Is it because you
don't actually cycle at all and are merely anti-car? Are you ashamed
of that?

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.
--
ennemm

"Squashme" wrote in message
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On Mar 18, 1:09 pm, M Wicks wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:59 am, Squashme wrote:

On Mar 18, 8:06 am, Dave - Cyclists VOHR
wrote:

On 18/03/2013 07:07, nik.morgan wrote: "Mrcheerful"
wrote:
Why do cyclists travel so fast that they cannot avoid potholes,
they know
that they will be thrown over the bars if they hit one.

We have been told that is impossible to be thrown over the bars
therefore
they probably don't feel at risk.

Unless they are wearing a helmet, in which case they will take more
risks :-)

You motorists need to pay more for the damage that you cause and
injuries which you inflict.

Why are you mentioning motorists again? Why can you never talk about
cycling without immediately having a go at drivers? Is it because you
don't actually cycle at all and are merely anti-car? Are you ashamed
of that?

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Then that's a very good reason *not* to keep bringing it up in a cycling NG.

On 18/03/2013 13:35, nik.morgan wrote:

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.

Pot holes are usually made by lorries. Take away the heavy vehicles, and
the effect of the ice on the surface is significantly smaller.

On 18/03/2013 17:08, Clive George wrote:

On 18/03/2013 13:35, nik.morgan wrote:

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.

Pot holes are usually made by lorries. Take away the heavy vehicles, and
the effect of the ice on the surface is significantly smaller.

Take away the heavy vehicles and the government's revenue falls through
the floor for a multiplicity of reasons.

Everything you want (and a great number of other things) are brought to
you in lorries. Not by the fairies or by Doug pulling a bike-trailer.

It's cheaper to just fix the potholes when they get bad enough to need it.

On Mar 18, 5:34*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 18/03/2013 17:08, Clive George wrote:

On 18/03/2013 13:35, nik.morgan wrote:

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.

Pot holes are usually made by lorries. Take away the heavy vehicles, and
the effect of the ice on the surface is significantly smaller.

Take away the heavy vehicles and the government's revenue falls through
the floor for a multiplicity of reasons.

Everything you want (and a great number of other things) are brought to
you in lorries. Not by the fairies or by Doug pulling a bike-trailer.

It's cheaper to just fix the potholes when they get bad enough to need it..

Pay more tax then.

On Mar 18, 5:08*pm, Clive George wrote:
On 18/03/2013 13:35, nik.morgan wrote:

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.

Pot holes are usually made by lorries. Take away the heavy vehicles, and
the effect of the ice on the surface is significantly smaller.

That's annoying for Squashme, who wages a holy crusade against private
cars, but not buses, and not really lorries either. (Buses are public
transport and therefore OK. And he grudgingly accepts lorries
currently, since he likes being able to buy things.)

It's a problem: lorries and buses are to blame for potholes, but as
ever Squashme wants to find a way to blame cars. He knows he won't get
away with saying it's *just* cars, since (frustratingly for him
whenever he's trying to show how destructive they are) they're lighter
than buses/lorries. So he says "motorists" (most of whom drive cars)
and hopes no-one will notice what he's done.

It's one of many "tricks" he uses to *always* deliberately exaggerate
the adverse impact that cars have. This is because he dislikes cars
and their anti-nannying, capitalist implications. He thinks a
proportionate response to that is to constantly try to stop everyone
driving cars, by telling great big lies about every aspect of the
supposed danger and environmental damage they cause.

On 18/03/2013 18:16, Squashme wrote:
On Mar 18, 5:34 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 18/03/2013 17:08, Clive George wrote:

On 18/03/2013 13:35, nik.morgan wrote:

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.

Pot holes are usually made by lorries. Take away the heavy vehicles, and
the effect of the ice on the surface is significantly smaller.

Take away the heavy vehicles and the government's revenue falls through
the floor for a multiplicity of reasons.

Everything you want (and a great number of other things) are brought to
you in lorries. Not by the fairies or by Doug pulling a bike-trailer.

It's cheaper to just fix the potholes when they get bad enough to need it.

Pay more tax then.

We pay more than enough taxation to build, maintain and repair roads.
Shortage of money ought not to be a problem.

Besides, small potholes aren't all that important because:

(a) Motor vehicles don't even notice most of them, and

(b) cyclists can cycle around them (assuming the change of direction
does not take them into someone else's path - in such circumstances they
can stop and weight - or take their chances with the pothole).

On 18/03/2013 19:02, JNugent wrote:
On 18/03/2013 18:16, Squashme wrote:
On Mar 18, 5:34 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 18/03/2013 17:08, Clive George wrote:

On 18/03/2013 13:35, nik.morgan wrote:

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Pot holes are usually made by the weather, ice principally.

Pot holes are usually made by lorries. Take away the heavy vehicles,
and
the effect of the ice on the surface is significantly smaller.

Take away the heavy vehicles and the government's revenue falls through
the floor for a multiplicity of reasons.

Everything you want (and a great number of other things) are brought to
you in lorries. Not by the fairies or by Doug pulling a bike-trailer.

It's cheaper to just fix the potholes when they get bad enough to
need it.

Pay more tax then.

We pay more than enough taxation to build, maintain and repair roads.
Shortage of money ought not to be a problem.

Besides, small potholes aren't all that important because:

(a) Motor vehicles don't even notice most of them, and

(b) cyclists can cycle around them (assuming the change of direction
does not take them into someone else's path - in such circumstances they
can stop and weight - or take their chances with the pothole).

Spellchecker alert...

How on Earth did "wait" (or an attempt at typing it) turn into "weight"?

On 18/03/2013 08:59, Squashme wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:06 am, Dave - Cyclists VOHR
wrote:
On 18/03/2013 07:07, nik.morgan wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Why do cyclists travel so fast that they cannot avoid potholes, they know
that they will be thrown over the bars if they hit one.

We have been told that is impossible to be thrown over the bars therefore
they probably don't feel at risk.

Unless they are wearing a helmet, in which case they will take more
risks :-)


You motorists need to pay more for the damage that you cause and
injuries which you inflict.

We cause very little damage & an infinitesimal amount of casualties.

They could take it out of the £35 billion over taxation anyway.

--
Dave-Cyclists VORT
Motorists pay £45 billion a year in extra taxes, specifically so they
can use the roads.
Only £10 billion of this is spent on roads.

On 18/03/2013 13:26, Squashme wrote:
On Mar 18, 1:09 pm, M Wicks wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:59 am, Squashme wrote:

On Mar 18, 8:06 am, Dave - Cyclists VOHR
wrote:

On 18/03/2013 07:07, nik.morgan wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Why do cyclists travel so fast that they cannot avoid potholes, they know
that they will be thrown over the bars if they hit one.

We have been told that is impossible to be thrown over the bars therefore
they probably don't feel at risk.

Unless they are wearing a helmet, in which case they will take more
risks :-)

You motorists need to pay more for the damage that you cause and
injuries which you inflict.

Why are you mentioning motorists again? Why can you never talk about
cycling without immediately having a go at drivers? Is it because you
don't actually cycle at all and are merely anti-car? Are you ashamed
of that?

Potholes are made by motorists. Not cyclists. We need to talk about
the source of the problems, not side-effects.

Motorists pay £45 billion a year in extra taxes, specifically so they
can use the roads. Only £10 billion of this is spent on roads.

Blame the Guvmint.

--
Dave-Cyclists VORT
Motorists pay £45 billion a year in extra taxes, specifically so they
can use the roads.
Only £10 billion of this is spent on roads.