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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:3LCjg.30022$ZW3.28943@dukeread04... There is not only the question of the impact on trails and wildlife, but the impact on other users. Hikers and equestrians do not seem to conflict as much as hikers and bikers. It is all about mental attitudes and how one views wilderness. Vandeman concentrates on the impact issue with regard to trails and wildlife whereas I am mostly concerned about the mental and spiritual dimensions of how different users view wilderness. Frankly, I would not have such a big issue with mountain bikers if I thought they viewed wilderness with respect. Instead, I see too many who are only into wilderness for fun and games. Wilderness is just a mean of recreation for them, not a pilgrimage of the soul like it is for us hikers. What makes you think you can speak for anybody? "Us hikers"? Give us a break! Your form of "recreation" (make no mistake, hiking is recreation) does not invalidate my choice of recreation. Hiking is not just a recreation like mountain biking is. It is somewhat spiritual and requires wilderness for its' platform. There is so little wilderness left that it is criminal of you to want to deprive us hikers of our last refuge from the dirty rotten scoundrels of the world. The above is nothing but boilerplate by Dolan and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. The above is nothing but pure idiocy by Curtiss and I will no longer bother with such drivel. Is Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota, aka Conan the Librarian, chasing his own tail...? He states he will have nothing more to do with "such drivel" then replies with practically the same message the very next day. How much "drivel" is "such drivel"? How "great" is that? Not so much, methinks... Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota The nationwide cooperative efforts of different groups sharing resources and recognizing the diversity of access validates my choices. (and my opinions, and the "science" and research that supports them with support from the agencies that oversee and enforce the rulings) The above is nothing but boilerplate by Curitss and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"S Curtiss" wrote in message news:fJYjg.16$FR1.7@dukeread05... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:3LCjg.30022$ZW3.28943@dukeread04... There is not only the question of the impact on trails and wildlife, but the impact on other users. Hikers and equestrians do not seem to conflict as much as hikers and bikers. It is all about mental attitudes and how one views wilderness. Vandeman concentrates on the impact issue with regard to trails and wildlife whereas I am mostly concerned about the mental and spiritual dimensions of how different users view wilderness. Frankly, I would not have such a big issue with mountain bikers if I thought they viewed wilderness with respect. Instead, I see too many who are only into wilderness for fun and games. Wilderness is just a mean of recreation for them, not a pilgrimage of the soul like it is for us hikers. What makes you think you can speak for anybody? "Us hikers"? Give us a break! Your form of "recreation" (make no mistake, hiking is recreation) does not invalidate my choice of recreation. Hiking is not just a recreation like mountain biking is. It is somewhat spiritual and requires wilderness for its' platform. There is so little wilderness left that it is criminal of you to want to deprive us hikers of our last refuge from the dirty rotten scoundrels of the world. The above is nothing but boilerplate by Dolan and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. The above is nothing but pure idiocy by Curtiss and I will no longer bother with such drivel. Is Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota, aka Conan the Librarian, chasing his own tail...? He states he will have nothing more to do with "such drivel" then replies with practically the same message the very next day. How much "drivel" is "such drivel"? How "great" is that? Not so much, methinks... Curtiss will never win this kind of game with me because I am just so g.d. Great (besides being a Great Saint) and he is nothing but a pip-squeak. He proves that every time he attempts of answer the great Mike Vandeman. Yes, Vandeman is also great, but of course not so Great as Me. We hikers will stick together because we have souls unlike mountain bikers who are soulless. And we will eternally condemn mountain bikers for their desecration of the wilderness and for their overall all slobbiness and general uncouthness. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation,including hiking."
Edward Dolan wrote:
Curtiss will never win this kind of game with me because I am just so g.d. Great (besides being a Great Saint) and he is nothing but a pip-squeak. He proves that every time he attempts of answer the great Mike Vandeman. Yes, Vandeman is also great, but of course not so Great as Me. We hikers will stick together because we have souls unlike mountain bikers who are soulless. And we will eternally condemn mountain bikers for their desecration of the wilderness and for their overall all slobbiness and general uncouthness. Running out of ideas are you eddie? That was a pretty pathetic response. Normally you little trolls do a bit better, not much but at least your responses are amusing. |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:39:01 -0400, "S Curtiss"
wrote: "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:3LCjg.30022$ZW3.28943@dukeread04... There is not only the question of the impact on trails and wildlife, but the impact on other users. Hikers and equestrians do not seem to conflict as much as hikers and bikers. It is all about mental attitudes and how one views wilderness. Vandeman concentrates on the impact issue with regard to trails and wildlife whereas I am mostly concerned about the mental and spiritual dimensions of how different users view wilderness. Frankly, I would not have such a big issue with mountain bikers if I thought they viewed wilderness with respect. Instead, I see too many who are only into wilderness for fun and games. Wilderness is just a mean of recreation for them, not a pilgrimage of the soul like it is for us hikers. What makes you think you can speak for anybody? "Us hikers"? Give us a break! Your form of "recreation" (make no mistake, hiking is recreation) does not invalidate my choice of recreation. Hiking is not just a recreation like mountain biking is. It is somewhat spiritual and requires wilderness for its' platform. There is so little wilderness left that it is criminal of you to want to deprive us hikers of our last refuge from the dirty rotten scoundrels of the world. The above is nothing but boilerplate by Dolan and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. The above is nothing but pure idiocy by Curtiss and I will no longer bother with such drivel. Is Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota, aka Conan the Librarian, chasing his own tail...? He states he will have nothing more to do with "such drivel" then replies with practically the same message the very next day. How much "drivel" is "such drivel"? How "great" is that? Not so much, methinks... Give up and crawl back into your hole. The worst of all sins is lack of any sense of humor. You are boring all of us to death. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:45:48 GMT, Jason
wrote: Edward Dolan wrote: Curtiss will never win this kind of game with me because I am just so g.d. Great (besides being a Great Saint) and he is nothing but a pip-squeak. He proves that every time he attempts of answer the great Mike Vandeman. Yes, Vandeman is also great, but of course not so Great as Me. We hikers will stick together because we have souls unlike mountain bikers who are soulless. And we will eternally condemn mountain bikers for their desecration of the wilderness and for their overall all slobbiness and general uncouthness. Running out of ideas are you eddie? That was a pretty pathetic response. Normally you little trolls do a bit better, not much but at least your responses are amusing. Sour grapes? Everyone without a sense of humor should give up and go home. Your posts are uniformly less than worthless. They have NEGATIVE worth. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:5PSdnbd_w92K6A3ZnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@prairiewave. com... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:fJYjg.16$FR1.7@dukeread05... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:3LCjg.30022$ZW3.28943@dukeread04... There is not only the question of the impact on trails and wildlife, but the impact on other users. Hikers and equestrians do not seem to conflict as much as hikers and bikers. It is all about mental attitudes and how one views wilderness. Vandeman concentrates on the impact issue with regard to trails and wildlife whereas I am mostly concerned about the mental and spiritual dimensions of how different users view wilderness. Frankly, I would not have such a big issue with mountain bikers if I thought they viewed wilderness with respect. Instead, I see too many who are only into wilderness for fun and games. Wilderness is just a mean of recreation for them, not a pilgrimage of the soul like it is for us hikers. What makes you think you can speak for anybody? "Us hikers"? Give us a break! Your form of "recreation" (make no mistake, hiking is recreation) does not invalidate my choice of recreation. Hiking is not just a recreation like mountain biking is. It is somewhat spiritual and requires wilderness for its' platform. There is so little wilderness left that it is criminal of you to want to deprive us hikers of our last refuge from the dirty rotten scoundrels of the world. The above is nothing but boilerplate by Dolan and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. The above is nothing but pure idiocy by Curtiss and I will no longer bother with such drivel. Is Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota, aka Conan the Librarian, chasing his own tail...? He states he will have nothing more to do with "such drivel" then replies with practically the same message the very next day. How much "drivel" is "such drivel"? How "great" is that? Not so much, methinks... Curtiss will never win this kind of game with me because I am just so g.d. Great (besides being a Great Saint) and he is nothing but a pip-squeak. He proves that every time he attempts of answer the great Mike Vandeman. Yes, Vandeman is also great, but of course not so Great as Me. We hikers will stick together because we have souls unlike mountain bikers who are soulless. And we will eternally condemn mountain bikers for their desecration of the wilderness and for their overall all slobbiness and general uncouthness. Still can't resist a response to "such drivel"...? And... LOL, you "eternally condemn mountain bikers" who are "soulless"...? Another "not so great" response from Conan the Librarian, aka "ed dolan, the not so great", "faint edward the grating - order of the curly fries" |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:39:01 -0400, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:3LCjg.30022$ZW3.28943@dukeread04... There is not only the question of the impact on trails and wildlife, but the impact on other users. Hikers and equestrians do not seem to conflict as much as hikers and bikers. It is all about mental attitudes and how one views wilderness. Vandeman concentrates on the impact issue with regard to trails and wildlife whereas I am mostly concerned about the mental and spiritual dimensions of how different users view wilderness. Frankly, I would not have such a big issue with mountain bikers if I thought they viewed wilderness with respect. Instead, I see too many who are only into wilderness for fun and games. Wilderness is just a mean of recreation for them, not a pilgrimage of the soul like it is for us hikers. What makes you think you can speak for anybody? "Us hikers"? Give us a break! Your form of "recreation" (make no mistake, hiking is recreation) does not invalidate my choice of recreation. Hiking is not just a recreation like mountain biking is. It is somewhat spiritual and requires wilderness for its' platform. There is so little wilderness left that it is criminal of you to want to deprive us hikers of our last refuge from the dirty rotten scoundrels of the world. The above is nothing but boilerplate by Dolan and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. The above is nothing but pure idiocy by Curtiss and I will no longer bother with such drivel. Is Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota, aka Conan the Librarian, chasing his own tail...? He states he will have nothing more to do with "such drivel" then replies with practically the same message the very next day. How much "drivel" is "such drivel"? How "great" is that? Not so much, methinks... Give up and crawl back into your hole. The worst of all sins is lack of any sense of humor. You are boring all of us to death. === Made you look! ROFLMAO You may be right be right about my sense of humor, Mikey... After all, the funniest website on the net is: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/ You've got "funny" all wrapped up! |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation,including hiking."
Mike Vandeman wrote:
Sour grapes? Everyone without a sense of humor should give up and go home. Your posts are uniformly less than worthless. They have NEGATIVE worth. Funny, that's what we think about you and your posts. How ironic. |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation,including hiking."
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:39:01 -0400, "S Curtiss" wrote: "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:3LCjg.30022$ZW3.28943@dukeread04... There is not only the question of the impact on trails and wildlife, but the impact on other users. Hikers and equestrians do not seem to conflict as much as hikers and bikers. It is all about mental attitudes and how one views wilderness. Vandeman concentrates on the impact issue with regard to trails and wildlife whereas I am mostly concerned about the mental and spiritual dimensions of how different users view wilderness. Frankly, I would not have such a big issue with mountain bikers if I thought they viewed wilderness with respect. Instead, I see too many who are only into wilderness for fun and games. Wilderness is just a mean of recreation for them, not a pilgrimage of the soul like it is for us hikers. What makes you think you can speak for anybody? "Us hikers"? Give us a break! Your form of "recreation" (make no mistake, hiking is recreation) does not invalidate my choice of recreation. Hiking is not just a recreation like mountain biking is. It is somewhat spiritual and requires wilderness for its' platform. There is so little wilderness left that it is criminal of you to want to deprive us hikers of our last refuge from the dirty rotten scoundrels of the world. The above is nothing but boilerplate by Dolan and has by now become meaningless. I will no longer pay any attention to such drivel. The above is nothing but pure idiocy by Curtiss and I will no longer bother with such drivel. Is Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota, aka Conan the Librarian, chasing his own tail...? He states he will have nothing more to do with "such drivel" then replies with practically the same message the very next day. How much "drivel" is "such drivel"? How "great" is that? Not so much, methinks... Give up and crawl back into your hole. The worst of all sins is lack of any sense of humor. You are boring all of us to death. Says who? Sorry if your opinion here doesn't mean a goddamned thing, Mike, but as you are quite aware, the remainder of the NG, wih the possible exception of Ed, wishes you would fall off the planet . .. |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation,including hiking."
S Curtiss wrote:
Sure - No worried! Since your OPINIONS have been ignored, and you offer no corroboration from review or comment on your opinions by accredited persons, and cooperation has prevailed state to state and by federal agencies, and mountain biking continues to grow, and you continue to present to a handful of other "presenters" at conferences you don't even reference until they are over, and you insist on your definitions and generalizations... No worries at all for those of us who live in reality! That's the bottom line. Since no study has ever shown that mountain biking is any more damaging than hiking, people like MV have to resort to the type of lies that they have become infamous for. He still has never produced any citations or references for his position, because none exits. At this point, everyone basically agrees that mountain biking and hiking are about equal in trail and wildlife impact. Despite this, many hikers still would prefer that they have exclusive use to trails and to the back country, and it's understandable why. But they should be honest about the reasons, rather than trying to use false rationalizations like MV and ED. No one would think any worse of them if they would simply say, "we find it annoying to have to share trails with other users," and it would be a breath of fresh air from a pathological liar like MV. |
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