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Touring Bike Reminder
I just got back from a short tour in California's gold country. I have a
modified Atala Cyclocross bike that I used as a touring bike. I love this bike but for longer distances you really do need a special purpose bike. While looking around at touring bikes I found that I didn't much care for what I was seeing - which was little more than modified sport bikes that wouldn't hold up to serious touring. Then I remembered Bruce Gordon Cycles. Bruce came by our club one time and gave a talk. Iwas thoroughly impressed with his vast knowledge of touring bikes. Later on he was in all of the magazines (yeah, we used to have several bicycle magazines that actually covered things instead of trying to fit in yet another advertisement) with his Rock and Road. I ran into people several times that were out on the road touring long distances on Bruce's designs. They were all supremely happy with their choices and that stuck with me. Just a couple of minutes ago I started wondering what had happened to Bruce in the intervening years so I did a search and there he was bigger than life at http://www.bgcycles.com/ I'm not in any way affiliated with Bruce or anyone that might work for him. I'm just reminding everyone that Bruce is out there and that his products are some of the best touring bikes that you can get your hands on. If you are thinking of real(tm) touring, think about using the real(tm) touring bike because in the end you'll appreciate your choice. Like when your heels don't hit the pannier. Or the front end isn't so light that the forks oscillate on fast downhills. Or the racks don't break at the welds. Or the back of the rack actually supports the back of the pannier so that they don't sag into the rear spokes at speed and scare hell out of you. Or that the brakes can be disconnected and opened with a load on the bike and fenders installed and the rear wheel removed and a flat repaired without it being a major operation. There are all sorts of reasons to have the real(tm) touring thing(tm) and Bruce has them all covered. |
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There are all sorts of reasons to have the real(tm) touring thing(tm) and
Bruce has them all covered. Tom, I tend to agree with you on the niceness of a bike built for touring (though this shouldn't stop anyone from touring on most anything). I looked briefly at Bruce Gordon, but was dissuaded after reading the following account: http://www.downtheroad.org/Equipment/Bikes/bicycles.htm that described an experience where BG didn't work well for a large (tall/heavy) individual. Over the past 20 years, I've had a sequence of six bicycles for touring, and still been informally looking for number seven: 1) The first touring bike was a no-name 10-speed bike I bought for $42.50 in a garage sale as a teenager. I started touring on this bike in college and made multiple trips from Boston to Cape Cod on the bike. The brakes didn't always work, but as a young invincible male I would just drag my feet. After a long productive life, it was decommisioned... 2) Next bike was a "Lotus Odyssey". It came with triple crank, front and rear racks. This was primary touring bike in college, and worked well. The Lotus eventually went to a roommate in 1997. 3) In fall of 1991, I bought a "Cannondale T1000" touring bike to use in riding across the USA in summer of 1992. Also treated myself after riding 10,000 miles on the Lotus. The Cannondale T1000 was (and still is) a workhorse touring bike. I traveled both Atlantic/Pacific coasts of USA and 1/2 way around Australia on this bike. This one eventually died when the frame cracked while in Northwest Australia near Broome. It has at least 40,000 touring miles when it died... 4) In 1996, I bought a second Cannondale T1000 touring bike, since I liked the first one so much. This is still my workhorse touring bike. For example, I just got back from a ride along the Dalton Highway (Fairbanks to Prudhoe Bay) on this bike. I rode this one the second half of the way around Australia. 5) In 2000, I ordered a custom built "Sakkit" bike from Robert Beckman cycles. This was the bike I was supposed to ride around Australia. However, it didn't arrive in time (despite being ordered 10 months in advance of the trip). Once I did try it, the seat post weld promptly pulled out. Getting that fixed was another multiple month hassle. I've largely written this bike off as an expensive lemon and makes me a little more wary of custom frame bikes. 6) In fall 2003, I got an Easyracer recumbent bike. I've put ~8300 miles on it the past 18 months. Wonderful ride, and nice for some touring. More difficult to fly with and travel with, so I tour with it for variety when I don't ride the Cannondale. So with two solid touring bikes [Cannondale T1000, Easyracer Tour Easy] why I informally looking for another touring bike? I am in early stages of planning another long trip, hopefully across Asia. Hence, I'm looking for something good for "third world touring" Ideally 26" wheels + steel frame. 26" wheels so interchangeable with mountain bike wheels/tyres and steel frame to make it easier to weld. --mev, Mike Vermeulen |
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Tom Kunich wrote:
I just got back from a short tour in California's gold country. I have a modified Atala Cyclocross bike that I used as a touring bike. I love this bike but for longer distances you really do need a special purpose bike. .... If you are thinking of real(tm) touring, think about using the real(tm) touring bike because in the end you'll appreciate your choice. Like when your heels don't hit the pannier. Or the front end isn't so light that the forks oscillate on fast downhills. Or the racks don't break at the welds. Or the back of the rack actually supports the back of the pannier so that they don't sag into the rear spokes at speed and scare hell out of you. Or that the brakes can be disconnected and opened with a load on the bike and fenders installed and the rear wheel removed and a flat repaired without it being a major operation. I understand now why your tour was so short! Pat |
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Mike Vermeulen wrote: There are all sorts of reasons to have the real(tm) touring thing(tm) and Bruce has them all covered. Tom, I tend to agree with you on the niceness of a bike built for touring (though this shouldn't stop anyone from touring on most anything). I looked briefly at Bruce Gordon, but was dissuaded after reading the following account: http://www.downtheroad.org/Equipment/Bikes/bicycles.htm that described an experience where BG didn't work well for a large (tall/heavy) individual. Ahh, come on Mike. Read the full page that you reference. The guy was a class A whiner. He complains that a BG bike is not recommended for his bulk, then whines about the cost of a custom, whines again that Co-Motion did not put stickers indicating steel type, then whines some more when he finds out it was True Temper - and apparently never did the research to find out that True Temper Platinum OX is just as good for building solid TIG welded frames as anything from Reynolds, Columbus, etc. After reading all his whines I dismissed the fool as someone to whom I will not listen. - rick |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:06:41 -0600, Mike Vermeulen
wrote: There are all sorts of reasons to have the real(tm) touring thing(tm) and Bruce has them all covered. Tom, I tend to agree with you on the niceness of a bike built for touring (though this shouldn't stop anyone from touring on most anything). I looked briefly at Bruce Gordon, but was dissuaded after reading the following account: http://www.downtheroad.org/Equipment/Bikes/bicycles.htm that described an experience where BG didn't work well for a large (tall/heavy) individual. If you read down the page, you'll note Bruce didn't recommend his bikes because Tim Travis, the author, was tall, not because of his weight (apparent misstatement up front). FWIW, I'm 1" shorter than Travis, and outweigh him by a fair bit. When I talked to Bruce Gordon, he said nothing about my weight. He did note, however, that I'd have to have a custom bike built for me, because my legs are too long for his production bikes (34" inseam). Wonder if the impending departure date didn't allow Tim to wait for a custom Bruce Gordon bike to be built? Pat Email address works as is. |
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If you read down the page, you'll note Bruce didn't recommend his
bikes because Tim Travis, the author, was tall, not because of his weight (apparent misstatement up front). FWIW, I'm 1" shorter than Travis, and outweigh him by a fair bit. When I talked to Bruce Gordon, he said nothing about my weight. He did note, however, that I'd have to have a custom bike built for me, because my legs are too long for his production bikes (34" inseam). This is good to know. Reading between the lines, this says that Bruce Gordon will do a custom size based on measurements. I'm about 1.5" taller than the original author and the account I read implied to me no custom sizes, so I was probably wrong on that...Looks like it is worth a second look. I have some time before 2007, but trying to get another touring bike in enough time to get some shakedown trips to work everything out as well... --mev, Mike Vermeulen |
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oups.com... Mike Vermeulen wrote: There are all sorts of reasons to have the real(tm) touring thing(tm) and Bruce has them all covered. Tom, I tend to agree with you on the niceness of a bike built for touring (though this shouldn't stop anyone from touring on most anything). I looked briefly at Bruce Gordon, but was dissuaded after reading the following account: http://www.downtheroad.org/Equipment/Bikes/bicycles.htm that described an experience where BG didn't work well for a large (tall/heavy) individual. Ahh, come on Mike. Read the full page that you reference. The guy was a class A whiner. He complains that a BG bike is not recommended for his bulk, then whines about the cost of a custom, whines again that Co-Motion did not put stickers indicating steel type, then whines some more when he finds out it was True Temper - and apparently never did the research to find out that True Temper Platinum OX is just as good for building solid TIG welded frames as anything from Reynolds, Columbus, etc. After reading all his whines I dismissed the fool as someone to whom I will not listen. As I said, Bruce came to our club and gave a talk. In our area we also have Bernie Mikklesen, Chris Kelly and Ed Litton. All of these guys had one thing in common - they didn't have a lot of patience with people. Bruce struck me as: 1) Friendly - he was a nice guy. 2) Knowledgeable - to this extent he would NOT do something that he thought was wrong. If Bruce doesn't want to build a bike exactly the way you want it built up, just buy the frame and fork and do it yourself - after all Bruce is primarily a framebuilder and not a bike mechanic. 3) Experienced - he didn't come up with these ideas out of thin air but from his own experience. So while I appreciate that this guy didn't get along with Bruce Gordon I think that there's more to the story than what you're reading there. And I'm not criticizing the guy who wrote that. I'm just saying that you don't get along with everyone you meet and neither do I. |
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"Mike Vermeulen" wrote in message
... If you read down the page, you'll note Bruce didn't recommend his bikes because Tim Travis, the author, was tall, not because of his weight (apparent misstatement up front). FWIW, I'm 1" shorter than Travis, and outweigh him by a fair bit. When I talked to Bruce Gordon, he said nothing about my weight. He did note, however, that I'd have to have a custom bike built for me, because my legs are too long for his production bikes (34" inseam). This is good to know. Reading between the lines, this says that Bruce Gordon will do a custom size based on measurements. I'm about 1.5" taller than the original author and the account I read implied to me no custom sizes, so I was probably wrong on that...Looks like it is worth a second look. I have some time before 2007, but trying to get another touring bike in enough time to get some shakedown trips to work everything out as well... When Bruce came to give his talk he brought a couple of frames. They impressed me and I've been to quite a few framebuilders shops and I also built (and raced) custom racing motorcycles for several years. I also met a guy on the road pulling a trailer on his BG and he LOVED it. His intent was to ride down to Panama, then to ride back along the Gulf and eventually hit New York and fly to Europe for the next leg of his tour. I often wonder what became of him. I do know that I could just BARELY stay with him on the climbs and I was on a road racer and weighed a good deal less than him and I had only 50 miles in so far while he was over 80 for the day and his trailer weighed in at something like 100 lbs. I'm 6'4" and 200 lbs. 34" inseam. I've had a Schwinn Voyager (nice bike but tended to wobble when loaded), a Bottecchia (again a VERY nice bike but also didn't like a full load) and the Atala which is an excellent bike (actually just short of perfect (sic)) but the wheelbase is just a little lacking and my heels hit the pannier if I'm not careful to mount them all the way aft. I've never had much trouble with toe overlap though. And in any case Bruce Gordon makes the best racks I've seen since they are designed to really support the bags. |
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