Nice Bike Lane!

The only reason people dislike bicycling infrastructure is when it is
done so badly that using it becomes more hazardous or less convenient
than the already existing roads.

I think that some people dislike bicycling infrastructure because they feel
it treats cyclists as inferior to drivers.

On 2015-06-24 5:03 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg:
True, but I'd be so happy if they had the smarts to do this in
California. For example, there is a huge median on Highway 50..

Maybe I did not watch enough of the video, but I also came away
wondering how they get the riders on and off.... guessing some sort of
bridges at the on/off-ramps.


Probably at under/overpasses. But it can be scary. I have such a section
where there is a very long tunnel. Occasionally some not so desirable
folks hang out there and on such pathways you are essentially captive.
If they want to beat you up there is no escape route. It's ok if there
is sufficient traffic but can get dicey at night.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 25/06/15 10:13, Bertrand wrote:
The only reason people dislike bicycling infrastructure is when it is
done so badly that using it becomes more hazardous or less convenient
than the already existing roads.

I think that some people dislike bicycling infrastructure because they
feel it treats cyclists as inferior to drivers.

That would be if the infrastructure was also inferior. Who would
complain about riding on a road without cars?

--
JS

On 25/06/15 10:16, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-06-24 5:03 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg:
True, but I'd be so happy if they had the smarts to do this in
California. For example, there is a huge median on Highway 50..

Maybe I did not watch enough of the video, but I also came away
wondering how they get the riders on and off.... guessing some sort of
bridges at the on/off-ramps.


Probably at under/overpasses. But it can be scary. I have such a section
where there is a very long tunnel. Occasionally some not so desirable
folks hang out there and on such pathways you are essentially captive.
If they want to beat you up there is no escape route. It's ok if there
is sufficient traffic but can get dicey at night.


You must have laser beam headlights to be safe! Cut the scum in half!

--
JS

On 25/06/2015 01:16, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-06-24 5:03 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg:
True, but I'd be so happy if they had the smarts to do this in
California. For example, there is a huge median on Highway 50..

Maybe I did not watch enough of the video, but I also came away
wondering how they get the riders on and off.... guessing some sort of
bridges at the on/off-ramps.


Probably at under/overpasses. But it can be scary. I have such a section
where there is a very long tunnel. Occasionally some not so desirable
folks hang out there and on such pathways you are essentially captive.
If they want to beat you up there is no escape route. It's ok if there
is sufficient traffic but can get dicey at night.

For pedestrians, city planners are starting to work this out, and rather
than putting the people in a subway or on a bridge, put the motor
traffic in a tunnel. Costs though.

James wrote:
On 25/06/15 10:13, Bertrand wrote:
The only reason people dislike bicycling infrastructure is when it is
done so badly that using it becomes more hazardous or less convenient
than the already existing roads.

I think that some people dislike bicycling infrastructure because they
feel it treats cyclists as inferior to drivers.

That would be if the infrastructure was also inferior. Who would
complain about riding on a road without cars?

I'm sure some would.

--
duane

On 6/24/2015 8:52 PM, Clive George wrote:
On 25/06/2015 01:16, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-06-24 5:03 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg:
True, but I'd be so happy if they had the smarts to do this in
California. For example, there is a huge median on Highway 50..

Maybe I did not watch enough of the video, but I also came away
wondering how they get the riders on and off.... guessing some sort of
bridges at the on/off-ramps.


Probably at under/overpasses. But it can be scary. I have such a section
where there is a very long tunnel. Occasionally some not so desirable
folks hang out there and on such pathways you are essentially captive.
If they want to beat you up there is no escape route. It's ok if there
is sufficient traffic but can get dicey at night.

For pedestrians, city planners are starting to work this out, and rather
than putting the people in a subway or on a bridge, put the motor
traffic in a tunnel. Costs though.

They just did one of those in Boston. Yes, it definitely costs. It
costs an astonishing amount.


--
- Frank Krygowski

sms wrote:
http://expandedconsciousness.com/2015/06/19/solarpanel-bike-lane-inspires/

Certainly beats the one in the Netherlands (I think) where the solar panels
were inlaid into a tempered glass road surface. Incredibly costly per km.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:41:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/24/2015 8:52 PM, Clive George wrote:
On 25/06/2015 01:16, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-06-24 5:03 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Joerg:
True, but I'd be so happy if they had the smarts to do this in
California. For example, there is a huge median on Highway 50..

Maybe I did not watch enough of the video, but I also came away
wondering how they get the riders on and off.... guessing some sort of
bridges at the on/off-ramps.


Probably at under/overpasses. But it can be scary. I have such a section
where there is a very long tunnel. Occasionally some not so desirable
folks hang out there and on such pathways you are essentially captive.
If they want to beat you up there is no escape route. It's ok if there
is sufficient traffic but can get dicey at night.

For pedestrians, city planners are starting to work this out, and rather
than putting the people in a subway or on a bridge, put the motor
traffic in a tunnel. Costs though.

They just did one of those in Boston. Yes, it definitely costs. It
costs an astonishing amount.

But bicyclists, caring greatly about their own safety, would naturally
be interested in proposed new cycling infra-structure.

I should think that a referendum added to the next local election, to
approve a bond issue (and resultant slight increase in local taxes),
to fund this new infrastructure would likely meet the approval of the
cycling world.

The Big Dig, in Boston, was estimated by The Boston Globe to
ultimately cost $22 billion, including interest, and that it will not
be paid off until 2038.
--
cheers,

John B.

On 6/24/2015 5:13 PM, Bertrand wrote:
The only reason people dislike bicycling infrastructure is when it is
done so badly that using it becomes more hazardous or less convenient
than the already existing roads.

I think that some people dislike bicycling infrastructure because they
feel it treats cyclists as inferior to drivers.

Anyone that thinks that way is pretty clueless.