Do bicycles and cars mix?

"Jym Dyer" wrote in message
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By far the most expensive maintenance of underground
utilities is in Manhattan, due to underground congestion.

It's a U-shaped curve where moderate density is the sweet
spot.

=v= That certainly makes sense.

Sunny Ladd's study found this for overall taxes too.

=v= So we're all in agreement then: moderate density. Not
Manhattan, not suburban sprawl.

=v= In other words, precisely what New Urbanism/Smart Growth
is advocating.
_Jym_

The New Urbanism is an elitist program to keep single-family housing for
the well-to-do, and apartments for the rest of the population. It is a
social movement by rich whites.

"Jym Dyer" wrote in message
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George Conklin on the Sierra Club:

It is all the same rap, Jym. It is just that the
anti-immigrant anti-growth movement was too open.

=v= You really have no clue what you're talking about. The
organizers of the Sierra Club's campaign against sprawl are
excellent people, one of whom I know personally. That means
nothing to you, of course, so I'll their work speak for itself:

http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/


They are elitists who are do not want the next generation to have what
they already have. We have population concentration in the USA, not sprawl.
They have it backwards.

=v= There has been a concerted effort by the anti-immigration
crowd to get the Club membership to support their goals. When
put on the ballot, the membership has voted it down. They made
an effort to climb onto the coattails of the popular campaign
against sprawl and were rebuffed there, too.
_Jym_

Just barely was it voted down, because it would tip the hands of the
others, who support zero population growth anyway.

"Jym Dyer" sez:

George Conklin on the Sierra Club:

It is all the same rap, Jym. It is just that the
anti-immigrant anti-growth movement was too open.

=v= You really have no clue what you're talking about. The
organizers of the Sierra Club's campaign against sprawl are
excellent people, one of whom I know personally.snip

I know a lot of them personally too based upon my many decades of supporting
my choice of public lands recreation - backcountry motorcycle riding.

My general opinion of them is that they are a bunch of elitist, naive,
bigoted jerks and that George knows exactly what he's talking about.

VLJ
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Brent P wrote:
First, you are wrong, not all materials fail at some point.

What about when the sun turns into a red giant?

--
Steven O'Neill
www.bridgetolls.org

In article , Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
Brent P wrote:
First, you are wrong, not all materials fail at some point.

What about when the sun turns into a red giant?

That's not fatigue. I think I am still covered for that on my car
insurance. The policy changes only mention radiation and fungi damage
not being covered. Melting from the sun is probably still technically
covered.

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
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Brent P wrote:
First, you are wrong, not all materials fail at some point.

What about when the sun turns into a red giant?


Brent just likes to post from inexperience.

"vlj" wrote in message
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"Jym Dyer" sez:

George Conklin on the Sierra Club:

It is all the same rap, Jym. It is just that the
anti-immigrant anti-growth movement was too open.

=v= You really have no clue what you're talking about. The
organizers of the Sierra Club's campaign against sprawl are
excellent people, one of whom I know personally.snip

I know a lot of them personally too based upon my many decades of
supporting
my choice of public lands recreation - backcountry motorcycle riding.

My general opinion of them is that they are a bunch of elitist, naive,
bigoted jerks and that George knows exactly what he's talking about.

VLJ
--



The Sierra Club does not like people using backcountry areas. They
support animals, not human animals.

In article . net, George Conklin wrote:

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
...
Brent P wrote:
First, you are wrong, not all materials fail at some point.

What about when the sun turns into a red giant?


Brent just likes to post from inexperience.

At least I learn from experience, unlike you.

In article , Jym Dyer wrote:
By far the most expensive maintenance of underground
utilities is in Manhattan, due to underground congestion.

It's a U-shaped curve where moderate density is the sweet
spot.

=v= That certainly makes sense.

Sunny Ladd's study found this for overall taxes too.

=v= So we're all in agreement then: moderate density. Not
Manhattan, not suburban sprawl.

What you call "suburban sprawl" _is_ moderate density.

=v= In other words, precisely what New Urbanism/Smart Growth
is advocating.

Nope. New Urbanism/Smart Growth says to cram as many people as
possible within existing urban boundaries (preventing development
outside), resulting in ever-increasing density.

--
Matthew T. Russotto
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

Matthew Russotto wrote:
In article , Jym Dyer wrote:
By far the most expensive maintenance of underground
utilities is in Manhattan, due to underground congestion.

It's a U-shaped curve where moderate density is the sweet
spot.

=v= That certainly makes sense.

Sunny Ladd's study found this for overall taxes too.

=v= So we're all in agreement then: moderate density. Not
Manhattan, not suburban sprawl.

What you call "suburban sprawl" _is_ moderate density.

Queens is moderate density.

--
Steven O'Neill
www.bridgetolls.org