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Old September 29th 12, 12:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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Old October 5th 12, 10:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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In reality, a 14 mph average is kinda pitiful. I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph
over 100 kilos. I can do a 15K ITT on a flat, out and back course in under 23
minutes. If I make it to 100, certainly I could average around 18 mph on a
flat 100 kilometer course. I can do 18 mph all day long at this time and my
heart rate is running at only 60% of max while doing it.

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Old October 5th 12, 11:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 05/10/2012 10:55 PM, Free Willy wrote:
"atriage" wrote in message
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http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx



In reality, a 14 mph average is kinda pitiful. I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph
over 100 kilos. I can do a 15K ITT on a flat, out and back course in under 23
minutes. If I make it to 100, certainly I could average around 18 mph on a
flat 100 kilometer course. I can do 18 mph all day long at this time and my
heart rate is running at only 60% of max while doing it.

--
Willy Free



What will you achieve when you are 100 years of age, however?

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Old October 5th 12, 11:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 05/10/2012 10:55 PM, Free Willy wrote:
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http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx



In reality, a 14 mph average is kinda pitiful. I'm 65 and I can average 21
mph
over 100 kilos. I can do a 15K ITT on a flat, out and back course in under
23
minutes. If I make it to 100, certainly I could average around 18 mph on a
flat 100 kilometer course. I can do 18 mph all day long at this time and my
heart rate is running at only 60% of max while doing it.


What will you achieve when you are 100 years of age, however?



It's difficult to say. Chances are I won't even make it to 100 but if I do I
should think I could do better than 14.3 mph. I think I give the geezer more
credit for lasting that long and still being able-bodied than anything else.

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Old October 6th 12, 08:00 AM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos.

Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up 8%
gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I know of other
guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know of a single 100 year
old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and ride it for 4 hours at *any*
speed.

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Old October 6th 12, 12:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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atriage a écrit profondement:

| On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote:
| wrote in message
| http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx
|

| I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos.
|
| Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up
| 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I
| know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know
| of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and
| ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed.

Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license
until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds
(Masters - age segmented)

And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there,
but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which
Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will
limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic
heart-rate upper limits.

Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar
course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo,
real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de
Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy
which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette -
it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop
around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many
don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but
thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said
"enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing
he'd had the brains to install a third clanger.

BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of
the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or
rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or
something - to publish it.

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Old October 6th 12, 12:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote:
atriage a écrit profondement:

| On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote:
| wrote in message
| http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx
|

| I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos.
|
| Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up
| 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I
| know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know
| of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and
| ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed.

Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license
until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds
(Masters - age segmented)

And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there,
but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which
Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will
limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic
heart-rate upper limits.

Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar
course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo,
real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de
Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy
which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette -
it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop
around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many
don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but
thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said
"enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing
he'd had the brains to install a third clanger.

BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of
the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or
rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or
something - to publish it.


Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff
20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply

them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it?

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Old October 6th 12, 07:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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"atriage" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote:
atriage a écrit profondement:

| On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote:
| wrote in message
|
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx
|

| I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos.
|
| Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up
| 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I
| know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know
| of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and
| ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed.

Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license
until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds
(Masters - age segmented)

And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there,
but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which
Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will
limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic
heart-rate upper limits.

Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar
course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo,
real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de
Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy
which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette -
it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop
around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many
don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but
thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said
"enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing
he'd had the brains to install a third clanger.

BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of
the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or
rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or
something - to publish it.


Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff
20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply

them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it?



The lungs don't atrophy much provided the rib cage is still capable of maximum
expansion.

We old farts need to do 'special' exercises to keep our lungs in shape. My
technique involves blowing up big, stiff balloons. I hear some of the younger
pros expand their lungs by using something like a SCUBA regulator adjusted so
it will actually lightly pressurize and expand the lungs. As the lungs expand
so does the rib cage stay flexible. Also the diaphragm needs to have ROOM to
expand down into the body cavity so there should be little or no fat on the
body, inside or out. BMI needs to be on the lower side of the normal range.

As for losing bone calcium that's a matter of plenty of vitamin D. Blood
should be tested so your level is around 50-55 (Most American have chronically
low levels of vitamin D). Also some calcium supplements might be indicated.
Also, some impact exercising needs to be done as impacting the bones causes
them to add calcium. Cycling is poor impact exercise. Another thing every
serious senior cyclist should be taking daily is about 400mg of Co-Q10 and
about 400mg of vitamin E and about a thousand mg of DHA and EPA (fish oil). A
couple thousand mg of good ole Vitamin C is also very helpful. These
anti-oxidants are highly necessary for senior athletes who wish to remain
competitive.

Then there's the old natural hematocrit count. Mine stays naturally around
45-46 percent so I don't need to do any blood doping like many pros used to
get caught doing. In individual time trials I can run my heart on the finish
line leg at 95-100% of max (my max HR is 170 bpm). I don't go anaerobic until
about 95%, btw. My lungs are very large and efficient. I never feel like I'm
out of air. I can inflate a swimming pool, single-wide air mattress in 12-13
breaths. I think my lungs have about half again as much capacity as the
average man. My limitation seems to be my legs, not my heart and lungs. At max
heart/lung rate my legs just reach a point where they don't produce any more
power. I've even trained them to use the burn when I feel the burn. (IOW my
muscles metabolize the lactic acid to get the extra oxygen and energy
contained therein). I'd be a badass mo-fo on the climbs if I spent some time
training in the mountains but since I live and train at sea level that isn't
my forte, so to speak. Instead I can beat just about anybody of any age
hammering into a stiff headwind on the flats. I train on a TT bike and use the
aero position to my advantage over regular roadies who don't seem to have a
clue about the importance of aero over the long haul.

IOW, I'm BAD!

--
Willy Free


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Old October 6th 12, 09:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 6 Oct, 19:46, "Free Willy" wrote:
"atriage" wrote in message

o.uk...









On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote:
atriage a crit profondement:


| On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote:
| * wrote in message
|
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...00-kilometre-a....
|


| *I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos.
|
| Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up
| 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I
| know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know
| of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and
| ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed.


Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license
until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds
(Masters - *age segmented)


And a few years later, it's all *downhill. The ambition is still there,
but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which
Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will
limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic
heart-rate upper limits.


Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar
course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo,
real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de
Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy
which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette -
it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop
around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many
don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but
thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said
"enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing
he'd had the brains to install a third clanger.


BUT doing something like that at 100? Add *that one to the "Exploits of
the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or
rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or
something - to publish it.


Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff
20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply

them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it?


The lungs don't atrophy much provided the rib cage is still capable of maximum
expansion.

We old farts need to do 'special' exercises to keep our lungs in shape. My
technique involves blowing up big, stiff balloons. I hear some of the younger
pros expand their lungs by using something like a SCUBA regulator adjusted so
it will actually lightly pressurize and expand the lungs. As the lungs expand
so does the rib cage stay flexible. Also the diaphragm needs to have ROOM to
expand down into the body cavity so there should be little or no fat on the
body, inside or out. *BMI needs to be on the lower side of the normal range.


Which means lay off protein foods and eat more fruit.


As for losing bone calcium that's a matter of plenty of vitamin D. Blood


Loss of bone calcium to the muscle tissue is due to acidosis. Slow
down, stop eating proteins Eat more fruit and cooked greens.

should be tested so your level is around 50-55 (Most American have chronically
low levels of vitamin D). Also some calcium supplements might be indicated.


Eat cooked greens.

Also, some impact exercising needs to be done as impacting the bones causes
them to add calcium.


Or is it load-bearing exercise or weights aid lymph pumping from
exercising fatigued muscle so moving acid deposits (minerals) into the
bowel (as long as one is eating fruit and not meat) and the
parathyroid hormone puts the calcium back where it belongs. Calcium
blocks the transport of stools unless fruit is consumed which
dissolves it for absorption directly into the lymphatics and the acid
released is then evacuated.

I'm not medically trained so all the money grabbing butchers and drug-
pushers can shoot me down and speak bollox, as that is what they do
beat.

I'll still say eat fruit not protein for exercise.

Cycling is poor impact exercise. Another thing every
serious senior cyclist should be taking daily is about 400mg of Co-Q10 and
about 400mg of vitamin E and about a thousand mg of DHA and EPA (fish oil). A
couple thousand mg of good ole Vitamin C is also very helpful. These
anti-oxidants are highly necessary for senior athletes who wish to remain
competitive.


Or just eat fruit and get ALL the micro-nutrients. Remember that
vegetation also works with cells and ducts, just like man.

Then there's the old natural hematocrit count. Mine stays naturally around
45-46 percent so I don't need to do any blood doping like many pros used to
get caught doing. In individual time trials I can run my heart on the finish
line leg at 95-100% of max (my max HR is 170 bpm). I don't go anaerobic until
about 95%, btw.



Do your eyes pop?

My lungs are very large and efficient. I never feel like I'm
out of air. *I can inflate a swimming pool, single-wide air mattress in 12-13
breaths. I think my lungs have about half again as much capacity as the
average man. My limitation seems to be my legs, not my heart and lungs. At max


Lymph flow.

heart/lung rate my legs just reach a point where they don't produce any more
power. I've even trained them to use the burn when I feel the burn. (IOW my
muscles metabolize the lactic acid to get the extra oxygen and energy
contained therein).


Eat more fruit and possibly a little sodium bicarbonate and magnesium
chloride.. Rub legs and up to waist with castor oil

I'd be a badass mo-fo on the climbs if I spent some time
training in the mountains but since I live and train at sea level that isn't
my forte, so to speak. Instead I can beat just about anybody of any age
hammering into a stiff headwind on the flats. I train on a TT bike and use the
aero position to my advantage over regular roadies who don't seem to have a
clue about the importance of aero over the long haul.

IOW, I'm BAD!

--
Willy Free


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Old October 6th 12, 10:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On 06/10/2012 21:30, thirty-six wrote:
On 6 Oct, 19:46, "Free wrote:
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o.uk...









On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote:
atriage a crit profondement:


| On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote:
| wrote in message
|
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...00-kilometre-a...
|


| I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos.
|
| Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up
| 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I
| know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know
| of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and
| ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed.


Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license
until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds
(Masters - age segmented)


And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there,
but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which
Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will
limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic
heart-rate upper limits.


Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar
course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo,
real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de
Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy
which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette -
it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop
around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many
don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but
thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said
"enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing
he'd had the brains to install a third clanger.


BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of
the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or
rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or
something - to publish it.


Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff
20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply
them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it?


The lungs don't atrophy much provided the rib cage is still capable of maximum
expansion.

We old farts need to do 'special' exercises to keep our lungs in shape. My
technique involves blowing up big, stiff balloons. I hear some of the younger
pros expand their lungs by using something like a SCUBA regulator adjusted so
it will actually lightly pressurize and expand the lungs. As the lungs expand
so does the rib cage stay flexible. Also the diaphragm needs to have ROOM to
expand down into the body cavity so there should be little or no fat on the
body, inside or out. BMI needs to be on the lower side of the normal range.


Which means lay off protein foods and eat more fruit.


As for losing bone calcium that's a matter of plenty of vitamin D. Blood


Loss of bone calcium to the muscle tissue is due to acidosis. Slow
down, stop eating proteins Eat more fruit and cooked greens.

should be tested so your level is around 50-55 (Most American have chronically
low levels of vitamin D). Also some calcium supplements might be indicated.


Eat cooked greens.

Also, some impact exercising needs to be done as impacting the bones causes
them to add calcium.


Or is it load-bearing exercise or weights aid lymph pumping from
exercising fatigued muscle so moving acid deposits (minerals) into the
bowel (as long as one is eating fruit and not meat) and the
parathyroid hormone puts the calcium back where it belongs. Calcium
blocks the transport of stools unless fruit is consumed which
dissolves it for absorption directly into the lymphatics and the acid
released is then evacuated.

I'm not medically trained so all the money grabbing butchers and drug-
pushers can shoot me down and speak bollox, as that is what they do
beat.

I'll still say eat fruit not protein for exercise.

Cycling is poor impact exercise. Another thing every
serious senior cyclist should be taking daily is about 400mg of Co-Q10 and
about 400mg of vitamin E and about a thousand mg of DHA and EPA (fish oil). A
couple thousand mg of good ole Vitamin C is also very helpful. These
anti-oxidants are highly necessary for senior athletes who wish to remain
competitive.


Or just eat fruit and get ALL the micro-nutrients. Remember that
vegetation also works with cells and ducts, just like man.

Then there's the old natural hematocrit count. Mine stays naturally around
45-46 percent so I don't need to do any blood doping like many pros used to
get caught doing. In individual time trials I can run my heart on the finish
line leg at 95-100% of max (my max HR is 170 bpm). I don't go anaerobic until
about 95%, btw.



Do your eyes pop?

My lungs are very large and efficient. I never feel like I'm
out of air. I can inflate a swimming pool, single-wide air mattress in 12-13
breaths. I think my lungs have about half again as much capacity as the
average man. My limitation seems to be my legs, not my heart and lungs. At max


Lymph flow.

heart/lung rate my legs just reach a point where they don't produce any more
power. I've even trained them to use the burn when I feel the burn. (IOW my
muscles metabolize the lactic acid to get the extra oxygen and energy
contained therein).


Eat more fruit and possibly a little sodium bicarbonate and magnesium
chloride.. Rub legs and up to waist with castor oil



All of this stuff is all very well but as Gotam said 'Decay is inherent in all
compound things'. No matter what you do by the age of 100 *nobody* is gonna be
riding a road bike for four or more hours which is why Marchand's achievement is
so utterly exceptional. You, me, Free Willy and Davy could drink ****ing fish
oil till the cows come home but we still ain't gonna be riding bikes at 100 for
the simple reason that the overwhelming probability is that we're all gonna be
pushing up daisies by then. In the meantime I agree that riding bicycles is an
outstanding way to keep fit in older age and is also a lot of fun, specially if
it involves whupping the arses of forty year younger riders. However whist
riding up a hill near Boulogne in France recently I was overtaken by a guy who
looked like he'd just stepped out of the sixties peleton (steel bike, frame
shifters, cloth cap, at least seventy years old) and to my horror I found that I
was unable to get on his wheel so it works both ways. At least he had the
decency to say bonjour politely to me as he went by...****!


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