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news http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx In reality, a 14 mph average is kinda pitiful. I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. I can do a 15K ITT on a flat, out and back course in under 23 minutes. If I make it to 100, certainly I could average around 18 mph on a flat 100 kilometer course. I can do 18 mph all day long at this time and my heart rate is running at only 60% of max while doing it. -- Willy Free |
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On 05/10/2012 10:55 PM, Free Willy wrote:
"atriage" wrote in message news http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx In reality, a 14 mph average is kinda pitiful. I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. I can do a 15K ITT on a flat, out and back course in under 23 minutes. If I make it to 100, certainly I could average around 18 mph on a flat 100 kilometer course. I can do 18 mph all day long at this time and my heart rate is running at only 60% of max while doing it. -- Willy Free What will you achieve when you are 100 years of age, however? -- Chris 'Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months.' (Oscar Wilde.) |
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... On 05/10/2012 10:55 PM, Free Willy wrote: "atriage" wrote in message news http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx In reality, a 14 mph average is kinda pitiful. I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. I can do a 15K ITT on a flat, out and back course in under 23 minutes. If I make it to 100, certainly I could average around 18 mph on a flat 100 kilometer course. I can do 18 mph all day long at this time and my heart rate is running at only 60% of max while doing it. What will you achieve when you are 100 years of age, however? It's difficult to say. Chances are I won't even make it to 100 but if I do I should think I could do better than 14.3 mph. I think I give the geezer more credit for lasting that long and still being able-bodied than anything else. -- Willy Free |
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On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote:
wrote in message http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed. -- |
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atriage a écrit profondement:
| On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote: | wrote in message | http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx | | I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. | | Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up | 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I | know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know | of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and | ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed. Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds (Masters - age segmented) And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there, but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic heart-rate upper limits. Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo, real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette - it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said "enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing he'd had the brains to install a third clanger. BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or something - to publish it. -- Davey Crockett Flying the Flag of the English The Flag of Hengest and Horsa http://azurservers.com/images/whiteDragon.jpg |
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On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote:
atriage a écrit profondement: | On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote: | wrote in message | http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx | | I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. | | Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up | 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I | know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know | of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and | ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed. Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds (Masters - age segmented) And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there, but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic heart-rate upper limits. Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo, real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette - it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said "enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing he'd had the brains to install a third clanger. BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or something - to publish it. Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff 20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it? -- |
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o.uk... On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote: atriage a écrit profondement: | On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote: | wrote in message | http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...rs-of-age.aspx | | I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. | | Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up | 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I | know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know | of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and | ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed. Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds (Masters - age segmented) And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there, but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic heart-rate upper limits. Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo, real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette - it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said "enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing he'd had the brains to install a third clanger. BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or something - to publish it. Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff 20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it? The lungs don't atrophy much provided the rib cage is still capable of maximum expansion. We old farts need to do 'special' exercises to keep our lungs in shape. My technique involves blowing up big, stiff balloons. I hear some of the younger pros expand their lungs by using something like a SCUBA regulator adjusted so it will actually lightly pressurize and expand the lungs. As the lungs expand so does the rib cage stay flexible. Also the diaphragm needs to have ROOM to expand down into the body cavity so there should be little or no fat on the body, inside or out. BMI needs to be on the lower side of the normal range. As for losing bone calcium that's a matter of plenty of vitamin D. Blood should be tested so your level is around 50-55 (Most American have chronically low levels of vitamin D). Also some calcium supplements might be indicated. Also, some impact exercising needs to be done as impacting the bones causes them to add calcium. Cycling is poor impact exercise. Another thing every serious senior cyclist should be taking daily is about 400mg of Co-Q10 and about 400mg of vitamin E and about a thousand mg of DHA and EPA (fish oil). A couple thousand mg of good ole Vitamin C is also very helpful. These anti-oxidants are highly necessary for senior athletes who wish to remain competitive. Then there's the old natural hematocrit count. Mine stays naturally around 45-46 percent so I don't need to do any blood doping like many pros used to get caught doing. In individual time trials I can run my heart on the finish line leg at 95-100% of max (my max HR is 170 bpm). I don't go anaerobic until about 95%, btw. My lungs are very large and efficient. I never feel like I'm out of air. I can inflate a swimming pool, single-wide air mattress in 12-13 breaths. I think my lungs have about half again as much capacity as the average man. My limitation seems to be my legs, not my heart and lungs. At max heart/lung rate my legs just reach a point where they don't produce any more power. I've even trained them to use the burn when I feel the burn. (IOW my muscles metabolize the lactic acid to get the extra oxygen and energy contained therein). I'd be a badass mo-fo on the climbs if I spent some time training in the mountains but since I live and train at sea level that isn't my forte, so to speak. Instead I can beat just about anybody of any age hammering into a stiff headwind on the flats. I train on a TT bike and use the aero position to my advantage over regular roadies who don't seem to have a clue about the importance of aero over the long haul. IOW, I'm BAD! -- Willy Free |
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On 6 Oct, 19:46, "Free Willy" wrote:
"atriage" wrote in message o.uk... On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote: atriage a crit profondement: | On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote: | * wrote in message | http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...00-kilometre-a.... | | *I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. | | Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up | 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I | know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know | of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and | ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed. Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds (Masters - *age segmented) And a few years later, it's all *downhill. The ambition is still there, but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic heart-rate upper limits. Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo, real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette - it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said "enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing he'd had the brains to install a third clanger. BUT doing something like that at 100? Add *that one to the "Exploits of the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or something - to publish it. Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff 20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it? The lungs don't atrophy much provided the rib cage is still capable of maximum expansion. We old farts need to do 'special' exercises to keep our lungs in shape. My technique involves blowing up big, stiff balloons. I hear some of the younger pros expand their lungs by using something like a SCUBA regulator adjusted so it will actually lightly pressurize and expand the lungs. As the lungs expand so does the rib cage stay flexible. Also the diaphragm needs to have ROOM to expand down into the body cavity so there should be little or no fat on the body, inside or out. *BMI needs to be on the lower side of the normal range. Which means lay off protein foods and eat more fruit. As for losing bone calcium that's a matter of plenty of vitamin D. Blood Loss of bone calcium to the muscle tissue is due to acidosis. Slow down, stop eating proteins Eat more fruit and cooked greens. should be tested so your level is around 50-55 (Most American have chronically low levels of vitamin D). Also some calcium supplements might be indicated. Eat cooked greens. Also, some impact exercising needs to be done as impacting the bones causes them to add calcium. Or is it load-bearing exercise or weights aid lymph pumping from exercising fatigued muscle so moving acid deposits (minerals) into the bowel (as long as one is eating fruit and not meat) and the parathyroid hormone puts the calcium back where it belongs. Calcium blocks the transport of stools unless fruit is consumed which dissolves it for absorption directly into the lymphatics and the acid released is then evacuated. I'm not medically trained so all the money grabbing butchers and drug- pushers can shoot me down and speak bollox, as that is what they do beat. I'll still say eat fruit not protein for exercise. Cycling is poor impact exercise. Another thing every serious senior cyclist should be taking daily is about 400mg of Co-Q10 and about 400mg of vitamin E and about a thousand mg of DHA and EPA (fish oil). A couple thousand mg of good ole Vitamin C is also very helpful. These anti-oxidants are highly necessary for senior athletes who wish to remain competitive. Or just eat fruit and get ALL the micro-nutrients. Remember that vegetation also works with cells and ducts, just like man. Then there's the old natural hematocrit count. Mine stays naturally around 45-46 percent so I don't need to do any blood doping like many pros used to get caught doing. In individual time trials I can run my heart on the finish line leg at 95-100% of max (my max HR is 170 bpm). I don't go anaerobic until about 95%, btw. Do your eyes pop? My lungs are very large and efficient. I never feel like I'm out of air. *I can inflate a swimming pool, single-wide air mattress in 12-13 breaths. I think my lungs have about half again as much capacity as the average man. My limitation seems to be my legs, not my heart and lungs. At max Lymph flow. heart/lung rate my legs just reach a point where they don't produce any more power. I've even trained them to use the burn when I feel the burn. (IOW my muscles metabolize the lactic acid to get the extra oxygen and energy contained therein). Eat more fruit and possibly a little sodium bicarbonate and magnesium chloride.. Rub legs and up to waist with castor oil I'd be a badass mo-fo on the climbs if I spent some time training in the mountains but since I live and train at sea level that isn't my forte, so to speak. Instead I can beat just about anybody of any age hammering into a stiff headwind on the flats. I train on a TT bike and use the aero position to my advantage over regular roadies who don't seem to have a clue about the importance of aero over the long haul. IOW, I'm BAD! -- Willy Free |
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On 06/10/2012 21:30, thirty-six wrote:
On 6 Oct, 19:46, "Free wrote: wrote in message o.uk... On 06/10/2012 12:10, Davey Crockett wrote: atriage a crit profondement: | On 05/10/2012 22:55, Free Willy wrote: | wrote in message | http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/12...00-kilometre-a... | | I'm 65 and I can average 21 mph over 100 kilos. | | Well whoopy-doo I'm the same age and can do that too, I can also go up | 8% gradients at much the same speed as 24 year old club cyclists. I | know of other guys my age who are faster than me, however I don't know | of a single 100 year old in the UK or USA who can get on a bicycle and | ride it for 4 hours at *any* speed. Davey was reasonably competitive until 65 too and held a pro license until he was 45 and a few years ago finished well placed in the Worlds (Masters - age segmented) And a few years later, it's all downhill. The ambition is still there, but the loss of muscle and bone mass, even with illegal drugs which Davey didn't practice for 40 years now and mega Calcium intake, will limit your performance. As will diminished lung capacity and realistic heart-rate upper limits. Last year I tackled a sportif in Italy. I'd done the same or similar course several times and knew what to expect. Official Start in Cuneo, real start in Vinadio then the Lombardy, Bonnette and Maddlelena (Col de Larche in Froggyspeak) and it was really tough going on the Lombardy which in reality isn't too bad, but I damn near died on the Bonnette - it's not the ascent proper that gets you, it's that punishing loop around the top of the mountain, even when you know it's coming and many don't. Davey almost looked for the voiture balai at that point but thought better of it since he's never ever put his foot down and said "enough", and took it real easy in the crawler on the Maddelena, wishing he'd had the brains to install a third clanger. BUT doing something like that at 100? Add that one to the "Exploits of the SuperFlahut" and get wassisname, that guy that plagiarizes or rewrites just about everything he's ever cranked out - Fotheringham or something - to publish it. Yeah, as you say the lungs and the heart get you, going up super steep stuff 20% my legs are OK but I have real problems sucking enough air in to supply them, that 'nearly dying' feeling is magic isn't it? The lungs don't atrophy much provided the rib cage is still capable of maximum expansion. We old farts need to do 'special' exercises to keep our lungs in shape. My technique involves blowing up big, stiff balloons. I hear some of the younger pros expand their lungs by using something like a SCUBA regulator adjusted so it will actually lightly pressurize and expand the lungs. As the lungs expand so does the rib cage stay flexible. Also the diaphragm needs to have ROOM to expand down into the body cavity so there should be little or no fat on the body, inside or out. BMI needs to be on the lower side of the normal range. Which means lay off protein foods and eat more fruit. As for losing bone calcium that's a matter of plenty of vitamin D. Blood Loss of bone calcium to the muscle tissue is due to acidosis. Slow down, stop eating proteins Eat more fruit and cooked greens. should be tested so your level is around 50-55 (Most American have chronically low levels of vitamin D). Also some calcium supplements might be indicated. Eat cooked greens. Also, some impact exercising needs to be done as impacting the bones causes them to add calcium. Or is it load-bearing exercise or weights aid lymph pumping from exercising fatigued muscle so moving acid deposits (minerals) into the bowel (as long as one is eating fruit and not meat) and the parathyroid hormone puts the calcium back where it belongs. Calcium blocks the transport of stools unless fruit is consumed which dissolves it for absorption directly into the lymphatics and the acid released is then evacuated. I'm not medically trained so all the money grabbing butchers and drug- pushers can shoot me down and speak bollox, as that is what they do beat. I'll still say eat fruit not protein for exercise. Cycling is poor impact exercise. Another thing every serious senior cyclist should be taking daily is about 400mg of Co-Q10 and about 400mg of vitamin E and about a thousand mg of DHA and EPA (fish oil). A couple thousand mg of good ole Vitamin C is also very helpful. These anti-oxidants are highly necessary for senior athletes who wish to remain competitive. Or just eat fruit and get ALL the micro-nutrients. Remember that vegetation also works with cells and ducts, just like man. Then there's the old natural hematocrit count. Mine stays naturally around 45-46 percent so I don't need to do any blood doping like many pros used to get caught doing. In individual time trials I can run my heart on the finish line leg at 95-100% of max (my max HR is 170 bpm). I don't go anaerobic until about 95%, btw. Do your eyes pop? My lungs are very large and efficient. I never feel like I'm out of air. I can inflate a swimming pool, single-wide air mattress in 12-13 breaths. I think my lungs have about half again as much capacity as the average man. My limitation seems to be my legs, not my heart and lungs. At max Lymph flow. heart/lung rate my legs just reach a point where they don't produce any more power. I've even trained them to use the burn when I feel the burn. (IOW my muscles metabolize the lactic acid to get the extra oxygen and energy contained therein). Eat more fruit and possibly a little sodium bicarbonate and magnesium chloride.. Rub legs and up to waist with castor oil All of this stuff is all very well but as Gotam said 'Decay is inherent in all compound things'. No matter what you do by the age of 100 *nobody* is gonna be riding a road bike for four or more hours which is why Marchand's achievement is so utterly exceptional. You, me, Free Willy and Davy could drink ****ing fish oil till the cows come home but we still ain't gonna be riding bikes at 100 for the simple reason that the overwhelming probability is that we're all gonna be pushing up daisies by then. In the meantime I agree that riding bicycles is an outstanding way to keep fit in older age and is also a lot of fun, specially if it involves whupping the arses of forty year younger riders. However whist riding up a hill near Boulogne in France recently I was overtaken by a guy who looked like he'd just stepped out of the sixties peleton (steel bike, frame shifters, cloth cap, at least seventy years old) and to my horror I found that I was unable to get on his wheel so it works both ways. At least he had the decency to say bonjour politely to me as he went by...****! -- |
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