Mountain Bikers Have the Most Serious Injuries

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:44:11 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"S Curtiss" wrote in message
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:46:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Quote from title post:
"trauma and spine registries of three Vancouver-area trauma centers in
1994-2004. During that time, 399 patients were treated for injuries"
From National Safety Council:
"Most of us like to think of home as a place we can turn to for comfort
and
protection. Yet, home is the very same place where a fatal injury occurs
every sixteen minutes. It is the same place where more than 54,000 people
in
the United States die each year as a result of an accidental injury
(National Safety Council, 2003)."

Wow! 399 MB INJURIES in 10 years...? 54,000 HOME DEATHS in ONE year!
Mountain biking is SAFER than being at HOME!

I see that your powers of reasoning are as bas as your ability to
read. Total numbers are irrelevant. What is important in defining
safety is injuries per person per hour of the activity. It's obvious
that mountain biking is more dangerous than staying at home. Only a
mountain biker (or mountain biker wannabe) could be that stupid.

You continue to add variables as it suits you. Typical.

Playing Mike's own game, the injury RATE of mountain bike operators as
opposed to people getting injured at home has got to be a very small number.
Sitting at home is more dangerous when there are (assuming the same number
of at-home injuries each and every year ending up in hospitals) 540,000
at-home injuries in 10 years vs. 399 mountain bike injuries in the same
period. Alternatively, there are 54,000 at-home injuries in one year (as
reported in the article) vs. 40 mountain bike injuries.

You have to admire Mike's ability to pick and chose minor facts that support
his agenda and ignore major facts that tend to shoot him down. Maybe
"admire" is not the right word ...

Sure. And getting stepped on must be significant, because millions of
ants get stepped on every year. Idiot.
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:44:11 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"S Curtiss" wrote in message
...

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:46:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Quote from title post:
"trauma and spine registries of three Vancouver-area trauma centers in
1994-2004. During that time, 399 patients were treated for injuries"
From National Safety Council:
"Most of us like to think of home as a place we can turn to for comfort
and
protection. Yet, home is the very same place where a fatal injury
occurs
every sixteen minutes. It is the same place where more than 54,000
people
in
the United States die each year as a result of an accidental injury
(National Safety Council, 2003)."

Wow! 399 MB INJURIES in 10 years...? 54,000 HOME DEATHS in ONE year!
Mountain biking is SAFER than being at HOME!

I see that your powers of reasoning are as bas as your ability to
read. Total numbers are irrelevant. What is important in defining
safety is injuries per person per hour of the activity. It's obvious
that mountain biking is more dangerous than staying at home. Only a
mountain biker (or mountain biker wannabe) could be that stupid.

You continue to add variables as it suits you. Typical.

Playing Mike's own game, the injury RATE of mountain bike operators as
opposed to people getting injured at home has got to be a very small
number.
Sitting at home is more dangerous when there are (assuming the same number
of at-home injuries each and every year ending up in hospitals) 540,000
at-home injuries in 10 years vs. 399 mountain bike injuries in the same
period. Alternatively, there are 54,000 at-home injuries in one year (as
reported in the article) vs. 40 mountain bike injuries.

You have to admire Mike's ability to pick and chose minor facts that
support
his agenda and ignore major facts that tend to shoot him down. Maybe
"admire" is not the right word ...

Sure. And getting stepped on must be significant, because millions of
ants get stepped on every year. Idiot.

There are more ants in my house than get stepped on or run over.


You, sir, are an idiot of the highest order -- but I suppose you knew that
already.

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:36:59 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:46:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Quote from title post:
"trauma and spine registries of three Vancouver-area trauma centers in
1994-2004. During that time, 399 patients were treated for injuries"
From National Safety Council:
"Most of us like to think of home as a place we can turn to for comfort
and
protection. Yet, home is the very same place where a fatal injury occurs
every sixteen minutes. It is the same place where more than 54,000
people
in
the United States die each year as a result of an accidental injury
(National Safety Council, 2003)."

Wow! 399 MB INJURIES in 10 years...? 54,000 HOME DEATHS in ONE year!
Mountain biking is SAFER than being at HOME!

I see that your powers of reasoning are as bas as your ability to
read. Total numbers are irrelevant. What is important in defining
safety is injuries per person per hour of the activity. It's obvious
that mountain biking is more dangerous than staying at home. Only a
mountain biker (or mountain biker wannabe) could be that stupid.



THAT'S RICH, Vandeman.

You look at the RATE of occurance when it suits your agenda, but look at
the
TOTAL occurance when the rate is too low be be statistically significant.

You are such a liar.

You wouldn't know " statistically significant" if it bit you in the
ass.

Yes, but I know statsitically insignificant when it bites you in the ass,
and you don't seem to know.






===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:44:11 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"S Curtiss" wrote in message
...

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:46:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Quote from title post:
"trauma and spine registries of three Vancouver-area trauma centers in
1994-2004. During that time, 399 patients were treated for injuries"
From National Safety Council:
"Most of us like to think of home as a place we can turn to for comfort
and
protection. Yet, home is the very same place where a fatal injury
occurs
every sixteen minutes. It is the same place where more than 54,000
people
in
the United States die each year as a result of an accidental injury
(National Safety Council, 2003)."

Wow! 399 MB INJURIES in 10 years...? 54,000 HOME DEATHS in ONE year!
Mountain biking is SAFER than being at HOME!

I see that your powers of reasoning are as bas as your ability to
read. Total numbers are irrelevant. What is important in defining
safety is injuries per person per hour of the activity. It's obvious
that mountain biking is more dangerous than staying at home. Only a
mountain biker (or mountain biker wannabe) could be that stupid.

You continue to add variables as it suits you. Typical.

Playing Mike's own game, the injury RATE of mountain bike operators as
opposed to people getting injured at home has got to be a very small
number.
Sitting at home is more dangerous when there are (assuming the same number
of at-home injuries each and every year ending up in hospitals) 540,000
at-home injuries in 10 years vs. 399 mountain bike injuries in the same
period. Alternatively, there are 54,000 at-home injuries in one year (as
reported in the article) vs. 40 mountain bike injuries.

You have to admire Mike's ability to pick and chose minor facts that
support
his agenda and ignore major facts that tend to shoot him down. Maybe
"admire" is not the right word ...

Sure. And getting stepped on must be significant, because millions of
ants get stepped on every year. Idiot.
Stepped on... by hikers.
Also note a typical MV misdirection.... He completely ignores the numbers
(which HE began with the first post) and makes some inane statement about
ants getting stepped on.
No Mikey, not this time. Explain the numbers! Even given that your 399 is
representatitive of only 3 hospitals in one area, it is over a 10 year
period.
54,000 DEATHS in one year nationwide just from accidents in the home! That's
540,000 in 10 years. Florida has 20 trauma centers. Lets assume every state
has 20 trauma centers. (Does Rhode Island have 20...? I doubt it.) Thats 20
x 50 = 1000.
Now, 540,000 / 1000 = 540. Thats 540 home deaths in 10 years vs 399 mt
biking injuries in 10 years. But wait, thats 399 for 3 trauma centers! 399 /
3 = 133.
Now its 540 home accident deaths to 133 mt biking injuries!
Now... Just what the hell do ants getting trampled by hikers have to do
with the original, and misleading, post you made?

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:36:59 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:46:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Quote from title post:
"trauma and spine registries of three Vancouver-area trauma centers in
1994-2004. During that time, 399 patients were treated for injuries"
From National Safety Council:
"Most of us like to think of home as a place we can turn to for comfort
and
protection. Yet, home is the very same place where a fatal injury occurs
every sixteen minutes. It is the same place where more than 54,000
people
in
the United States die each year as a result of an accidental injury
(National Safety Council, 2003)."

Wow! 399 MB INJURIES in 10 years...? 54,000 HOME DEATHS in ONE year!
Mountain biking is SAFER than being at HOME!

I see that your powers of reasoning are as bas as your ability to
read. Total numbers are irrelevant. What is important in defining
safety is injuries per person per hour of the activity. It's obvious
that mountain biking is more dangerous than staying at home. Only a
mountain biker (or mountain biker wannabe) could be that stupid.



THAT'S RICH, Vandeman.

You look at the RATE of occurance when it suits your agenda, but look at
the
TOTAL occurance when the rate is too low be be statistically significant.

You are such a liar.

You wouldn't know " statistically significant" if it bit you in the
ass.

Your only claim to "statistically significant" is your attempt to manipulate
information to create your statistics. You never offer consistency in your
"statistics". You only make a claim then attempt to justify it with
"statistically significant".
BTW - the term only applies if you calculate ALL the available data. The
mere FACT you are trying to ignore the very real number of home accident
deaths PROVES you have not examined all the available data to form a
conclusion in which to make a "statistically significant" comparison.

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:09:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:44:11 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"S Curtiss" wrote in message
...

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 13:46:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:

Quote from title post:
"trauma and spine registries of three Vancouver-area trauma centers in
1994-2004. During that time, 399 patients were treated for injuries"
From National Safety Council:
"Most of us like to think of home as a place we can turn to for comfort
and
protection. Yet, home is the very same place where a fatal injury
occurs
every sixteen minutes. It is the same place where more than 54,000
people
in
the United States die each year as a result of an accidental injury
(National Safety Council, 2003)."

Wow! 399 MB INJURIES in 10 years...? 54,000 HOME DEATHS in ONE year!
Mountain biking is SAFER than being at HOME!

I see that your powers of reasoning are as bas as your ability to
read. Total numbers are irrelevant. What is important in defining
safety is injuries per person per hour of the activity. It's obvious
that mountain biking is more dangerous than staying at home. Only a
mountain biker (or mountain biker wannabe) could be that stupid.

You continue to add variables as it suits you. Typical.

Playing Mike's own game, the injury RATE of mountain bike operators as
opposed to people getting injured at home has got to be a very small
number.
Sitting at home is more dangerous when there are (assuming the same number
of at-home injuries each and every year ending up in hospitals) 540,000
at-home injuries in 10 years vs. 399 mountain bike injuries in the same
period. Alternatively, there are 54,000 at-home injuries in one year (as
reported in the article) vs. 40 mountain bike injuries.

You have to admire Mike's ability to pick and chose minor facts that
support
his agenda and ignore major facts that tend to shoot him down. Maybe
"admire" is not the right word ...

Sure. And getting stepped on must be significant, because millions of
ants get stepped on every year. Idiot.
Stepped on... by hikers.
Also note a typical MV misdirection.... He completely ignores the numbers
(which HE began with the first post) and makes some inane statement about
ants getting stepped on.
No Mikey, not this time. Explain the numbers! Even given that your 399 is
representatitive of only 3 hospitals in one area, it is over a 10 year
period.
54,000 DEATHS in one year nationwide just from accidents in the home! That's
540,000 in 10 years. Florida has 20 trauma centers. Lets assume every state
has 20 trauma centers. (Does Rhode Island have 20...? I doubt it.) Thats 20
x 50 = 1000.
Now, 540,000 / 1000 = 540. Thats 540 home deaths in 10 years vs 399 mt
biking injuries in 10 years. But wait, thats 399 for 3 trauma centers! 399 /
3 = 133.
Now its 540 home accident deaths to 133 mt biking injuries!
Now... Just what the hell do ants getting trampled by hikers have to do
with the original, and misleading, post you made?


Yawn.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 22:09:51 -0500, "S Curtiss"
wrote:


You have to admire Mike's ability to pick and chose minor facts that
support
his agenda and ignore major facts that tend to shoot him down. Maybe
"admire" is not the right word ...

Sure. And getting stepped on must be significant, because millions of
ants get stepped on every year. Idiot.
Stepped on... by hikers.
Also note a typical MV misdirection.... He completely ignores the numbers
(which HE began with the first post) and makes some inane statement about
ants getting stepped on.
No Mikey, not this time. Explain the numbers! Even given that your 399 is
representatitive of only 3 hospitals in one area, it is over a 10 year
period.
54,000 DEATHS in one year nationwide just from accidents in the home!
That's
540,000 in 10 years. Florida has 20 trauma centers. Lets assume every
state
has 20 trauma centers. (Does Rhode Island have 20...? I doubt it.) Thats
20
x 50 = 1000.
Now, 540,000 / 1000 = 540. Thats 540 home deaths in 10 years vs 399 mt
biking injuries in 10 years. But wait, thats 399 for 3 trauma centers! 399
/
3 = 133.
Now its 540 home accident deaths to 133 mt biking injuries!
Now... Just what the hell do ants getting trampled by hikers have to do
with the original, and misleading, post you made?


Yawn.
===
Typical and predictable. You can not support YOUR OWN statements when REAL
information is placed in front of you. Instead you duck and run away leaving
your trademark "yawn" or "did you say something?" rather than acknowledge
the truth as it actually is.
Every "yawn" you post simply signifies another victory for off-road cyclists
and their cooperative efforts with others as well as highlighting the
cowardly behavior of a liar when confronted with actual information that was
originally distorted.