Mountain Bikers LOVE Censorship

On Apr 7, 1:15*pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:06 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
because they can't defend mountain biking. They would rather let
rec.bicycles.off-road DIE, than let me use it to tell the truth about
mountain biking!
Mike
At 12:58 AM 4/5/2010, wrote:
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i've deleted your post because it was neither relevant to the event you'd
posted it on (which takes place on dedicated mtb trails designed and
created
specifically for that purpose) nor the territory it takes place in
(the uk,
where there is a legal right to cycle on bridleways and other rights
of way)
That is just censorship, plain and simple. I put it back, because it
absolutely IS relevant! Do you think that an animal killed by a
mountain biker cares whether mountain biking is "legal" or not?! My
post has nothing to do with whether it is legal or not. Environmental
damage isn't okay, just because it's legal! If everyone agreed on
everything, there would be no need for comments, would there? The
option to comment is there precisely because people DO disagree.
Censorship, under any name, is repugnant.
Like I've been saying Mike, ramming your ideas down
other people's throats does not make you a hero with
them.

How can I do that, liar?

Honey, not vinegar.



*It ****es them off. Soften your approach and
you'll make lots more points.

You mean stop telling the truth? That's exactly what the mountain
bikers would like.

Oh, no! Tell the truth by all means. Just tell
ALL the truth and campaign against ALL wheeled
vehicles on land that won't support them. Don't
single out one group because someone in that
group has caused you some discomfort.



*Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.

It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter, & it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?

Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...



What I want to know is what were the happenstances
which caused you to be so unhappy with one group?
This group doesn't cause any more damage than others
and less than some I can think of. Why all the angst?

What are you, an amateur psychologist? You would instantly go broke,
with that kind of BS.

I'm no psychologist of any kind. I just recognize that
the kinds of attacks that you engage in are probably
pathological in nature because they target one single
group and one single activity, when there are other
groups and other activities which are more damaging
than the group you have targeted.



Who, who rides a mountain bike, hurt you?- Hide quoted text -

I never said I'm "unhappy" with any group. I just tell the truth about
mountain biking. Why don't you like that? More people should start
telling the truth. It would do you some good. All you've proven is
that you can't tell the truth. EVER.

The tone of your attacks say how unhappy you are with
the group called "mountain bikers". You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man, also
patently untrue.

You may have a case. In fact I think you do have a case
but your presentation and gross exaggerations, not to
mention the anger in your presentation pushes people
away from your case in droves.

YOU are doing more to promote damage caused by mountain
biking than any other force on the planet.

There. Now there is a gross exaggeration, which has
enough truth in it to maybe reach even you.

Read it three times before your respond.





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VtSkier, it's hopeless. His severe authoritarianism, masochism and
mania will never allow him to change. The newsgroups are liberally
littered with decades of the detritus of his offputting egomaniancal
utterances and the hatred that follows him. Even hundreds of like-
minded people who should be his friends and allies (me among them) all
think he's an asshole. There will be no end to the damage he has
done.

Save yourself the trouble.

Bruce Jensen

On 4/7/2010 3:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
On Apr 7, 1:15 pm, wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:06 pm, wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
because they can't defend mountain biking. They would rather let
rec.bicycles.off-road DIE, than let me use it to tell the truth about
mountain biking!
Mike
At 12:58 AM 4/5/2010, wrote:
mjvande,
dave_atkinson (http://road.cc/users/dave-atkinson) has sent you a message via
your contact form (http://road.cc/users/mjvande/contact) at road.cc.
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i've deleted your post because it was neither relevant to the event you'd
posted it on (which takes place on dedicated mtb trails designed and
created
specifically for that purpose) nor the territory it takes place in
(the uk,
where there is a legal right to cycle on bridleways and other rights
of way)
That is just censorship, plain and simple. I put it back, because it
absolutely IS relevant! Do you think that an animal killed by a
mountain biker cares whether mountain biking is "legal" or not?! My
post has nothing to do with whether it is legal or not. Environmental
damage isn't okay, just because it's legal! If everyone agreed on
everything, there would be no need for comments, would there? The
option to comment is there precisely because people DO disagree.
Censorship, under any name, is repugnant.
Like I've been saying Mike, ramming your ideas down
other people's throats does not make you a hero with
them.

How can I do that, liar?

Honey, not vinegar.



It ****es them off. Soften your approach and
you'll make lots more points.

You mean stop telling the truth? That's exactly what the mountain
bikers would like.

Oh, no! Tell the truth by all means. Just tell
ALL the truth and campaign against ALL wheeled
vehicles on land that won't support them. Don't
single out one group because someone in that
group has caused you some discomfort.



Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.

It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter,& it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?

Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...



What I want to know is what were the happenstances
which caused you to be so unhappy with one group?
This group doesn't cause any more damage than others
and less than some I can think of. Why all the angst?

What are you, an amateur psychologist? You would instantly go broke,
with that kind of BS.

I'm no psychologist of any kind. I just recognize that
the kinds of attacks that you engage in are probably
pathological in nature because they target one single
group and one single activity, when there are other
groups and other activities which are more damaging
than the group you have targeted.



Who, who rides a mountain bike, hurt you?- Hide quoted text -

I never said I'm "unhappy" with any group. I just tell the truth about
mountain biking. Why don't you like that? More people should start
telling the truth. It would do you some good. All you've proven is
that you can't tell the truth. EVER.

The tone of your attacks say how unhappy you are with
the group called "mountain bikers". You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man, also
patently untrue.

You may have a case. In fact I think you do have a case
but your presentation and gross exaggerations, not to
mention the anger in your presentation pushes people
away from your case in droves.

YOU are doing more to promote damage caused by mountain
biking than any other force on the planet.

There. Now there is a gross exaggeration, which has
enough truth in it to maybe reach even you.

Read it three times before your respond.





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VtSkier, it's hopeless. His severe authoritarianism, masochism and
mania will never allow him to change. The newsgroups are liberally
littered with decades of the detritus of his offputting egomaniancal
utterances and the hatred that follows him. Even hundreds of like-
minded people who should be his friends and allies (me among them) all
think he's an asshole. There will be no end to the damage he has
done.

Save yourself the trouble.

Bruce Jensen

Mikey V. motivates me to get out my old mountain bike and ride some trails.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007

Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
On 4/7/2010 3:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:
On Apr 7, 1:15 pm, wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:06 pm, wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
because they can't defend mountain biking. They would rather let
rec.bicycles.off-road DIE, than let me use it to tell the truth about
mountain biking!
Mike
At 12:58 AM 4/5/2010, wrote:
mjvande,
dave_atkinson (http://road.cc/users/dave-atkinson) has sent you a
message via
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Message:
i've deleted your post because it was neither relevant to the
event you'd
posted it on (which takes place on dedicated mtb trails designed and
created
specifically for that purpose) nor the territory it takes place in
(the uk,
where there is a legal right to cycle on bridleways and other rights
of way)
That is just censorship, plain and simple. I put it back, because it
absolutely IS relevant! Do you think that an animal killed by a
mountain biker cares whether mountain biking is "legal" or not?! My
post has nothing to do with whether it is legal or not. Environmental
damage isn't okay, just because it's legal! If everyone agreed on
everything, there would be no need for comments, would there? The
option to comment is there precisely because people DO disagree.
Censorship, under any name, is repugnant.
Like I've been saying Mike, ramming your ideas down
other people's throats does not make you a hero with
them.

How can I do that, liar?

Honey, not vinegar.



It ****es them off. Soften your approach and
you'll make lots more points.

You mean stop telling the truth? That's exactly what the mountain
bikers would like.

Oh, no! Tell the truth by all means. Just tell
ALL the truth and campaign against ALL wheeled
vehicles on land that won't support them. Don't
single out one group because someone in that
group has caused you some discomfort.



Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.

It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter,& it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?

Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...



What I want to know is what were the happenstances
which caused you to be so unhappy with one group?
This group doesn't cause any more damage than others
and less than some I can think of. Why all the angst?

What are you, an amateur psychologist? You would instantly go broke,
with that kind of BS.

I'm no psychologist of any kind. I just recognize that
the kinds of attacks that you engage in are probably
pathological in nature because they target one single
group and one single activity, when there are other
groups and other activities which are more damaging
than the group you have targeted.



Who, who rides a mountain bike, hurt you?- Hide quoted text -

I never said I'm "unhappy" with any group. I just tell the truth about
mountain biking. Why don't you like that? More people should start
telling the truth. It would do you some good. All you've proven is
that you can't tell the truth. EVER.

The tone of your attacks say how unhappy you are with
the group called "mountain bikers". You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man, also
patently untrue.

You may have a case. In fact I think you do have a case
but your presentation and gross exaggerations, not to
mention the anger in your presentation pushes people
away from your case in droves.

YOU are doing more to promote damage caused by mountain
biking than any other force on the planet.

There. Now there is a gross exaggeration, which has
enough truth in it to maybe reach even you.

Read it three times before your respond.





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- Show quoted text -

VtSkier, it's hopeless. His severe authoritarianism, masochism and
mania will never allow him to change. The newsgroups are liberally
littered with decades of the detritus of his offputting egomaniancal
utterances and the hatred that follows him. Even hundreds of like-
minded people who should be his friends and allies (me among them) all
think he's an asshole. There will be no end to the damage he has
done.

Save yourself the trouble.

Bruce Jensen

Mikey V. motivates me to get out my old mountain bike and ride some trails.


Right. Just like I've been telling him. He is the
cause of more environmental damage caused by
mountain biking than anyone else on the planet.

On Apr 7, 1:15*pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:06 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
because they can't defend mountain biking. They would rather let
rec.bicycles.off-road DIE, than let me use it to tell the truth about
mountain biking!
Mike
At 12:58 AM 4/5/2010, wrote:
mjvande,
dave_atkinson (http://road.cc/users/dave-atkinson) has sent you a message via
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i've deleted your post because it was neither relevant to the event you'd
posted it on (which takes place on dedicated mtb trails designed and
created
specifically for that purpose) nor the territory it takes place in
(the uk,
where there is a legal right to cycle on bridleways and other rights
of way)
That is just censorship, plain and simple. I put it back, because it
absolutely IS relevant! Do you think that an animal killed by a
mountain biker cares whether mountain biking is "legal" or not?! My
post has nothing to do with whether it is legal or not. Environmental
damage isn't okay, just because it's legal! If everyone agreed on
everything, there would be no need for comments, would there? The
option to comment is there precisely because people DO disagree.
Censorship, under any name, is repugnant.
Like I've been saying Mike, ramming your ideas down
other people's throats does not make you a hero with
them.

How can I do that, liar?

Honey, not vinegar.

Demonstrate. I don't think you can. You certainly don't practice what
you preach!

*It ****es them off. Soften your approach and
you'll make lots more points.

You mean stop telling the truth? That's exactly what the mountain
bikers would like.

Oh, no! Tell the truth by all means. Just tell
ALL the truth and campaign against ALL wheeled
vehicles on land that won't support them. Don't
single out one group because someone in that
group has caused you some discomfort.

You are an incorrigible LIAR. You FABRICATED what you just said. You
are truly pathetic.

*Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.

It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter, & it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?

Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...

Do your homework before opening your mouth. Ignorance of the truth is
no excuse for lying.

What I want to know is what were the happenstances
which caused you to be so unhappy with one group?
This group doesn't cause any more damage than others
and less than some I can think of. Why all the angst?

What are you, an amateur psychologist? You would instantly go broke,
with that kind of BS.

I'm no psychologist of any kind. I just recognize that
the kinds of attacks that you engage in are probably
pathological in nature because they target one single
group and one single activity, when there are other
groups and other activities which are more damaging
than the group you have targeted.

You obviously haven't bothered to even read my signature, much less my
website. You know NOTHING about me, or you wouldn't make such stupid
statements..

Who, who rides a mountain bike, hurt you?- Hide quoted text -

I never said I'm "unhappy" with any group. I just tell the truth about
mountain biking. Why don't you like that? More people should start
telling the truth. It would do you some good. All you've proven is
that you can't tell the truth. EVER.

The tone of your attacks say how unhappy you are with
the group called "mountain bikers".

No it doesn't. I'm unhappy about mountain BIKING. DUH!

You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man,

Liar. I have never said any such thing. What do you think you are
gaining, by LYING all the time?

also
patently untrue.

You may have a case. In fact I think you do have a case
but your presentation and gross exaggerations, not to
mention the anger in your presentation pushes people
away from your case in droves.

YOU are doing more to promote damage caused by mountain
biking than any other force on the planet.

There. Now there is a gross exaggeration, which has
enough truth in it to maybe reach even you.

No, it's the same as all your other lies.

Read it three times before your respond.

It really isn't worth reading even ONCE. It is a total waste of time
to talk with a LIAR.

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 7, 1:15 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:06 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
because they can't defend mountain biking. They would rather let
rec.bicycles.off-road DIE, than let me use it to tell the truth about
mountain biking!
Mike
At 12:58 AM 4/5/2010, wrote:
mjvande,
dave_atkinson (http://road.cc/users/dave-atkinson) has sent you a message via
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i've deleted your post because it was neither relevant to the event you'd
posted it on (which takes place on dedicated mtb trails designed and
created
specifically for that purpose) nor the territory it takes place in
(the uk,
where there is a legal right to cycle on bridleways and other rights
of way)
That is just censorship, plain and simple. I put it back, because it
absolutely IS relevant! Do you think that an animal killed by a
mountain biker cares whether mountain biking is "legal" or not?! My
post has nothing to do with whether it is legal or not. Environmental
damage isn't okay, just because it's legal! If everyone agreed on
everything, there would be no need for comments, would there? The
option to comment is there precisely because people DO disagree.
Censorship, under any name, is repugnant.
Like I've been saying Mike, ramming your ideas down
other people's throats does not make you a hero with
them.
How can I do that, liar?
Honey, not vinegar.

Demonstrate. I don't think you can. You certainly don't practice what
you preach!

Sure I do. I don't call you stupid, or a liar with
everything you write, even though I have ample cause
to do just that, oh, not the stupid part because
clearly you aren't stupid. You do lie, exaggerate,
present one side of an argument and make straw man
comparisons however.

I engage in reasoned discourse without the use of
ad-homs to make a point or to **** you off so that
maybe you'll go away if I insult you bad enough.


It ****es them off. Soften your approach and
you'll make lots more points.
You mean stop telling the truth? That's exactly what the mountain
bikers would like.
Oh, no! Tell the truth by all means. Just tell
ALL the truth and campaign against ALL wheeled
vehicles on land that won't support them. Don't
single out one group because someone in that
group has caused you some discomfort.

You are an incorrigible LIAR. You FABRICATED what you just said. You
are truly pathetic.

I have no proof that someone who is a mountain
biker hurt you. In that I did fabricate. The rest
of what I said is clear for all to read, I just
drew an inference from that based on the degree
of anger shown by you against one single group.


Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.
It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter, & it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?
Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...

Do your homework before opening your mouth. Ignorance of the truth is
no excuse for lying.

I'm doing my homework by asking you WTF. I suppose
I could go back to the earlier post to find out what
kind of forum it was. I suspect it will be a private
list like a Yahoo group which has the ability to
remove posts that the membership and moderator don't
like and are contrary to their charter.


What I want to know is what were the happenstances
which caused you to be so unhappy with one group?
This group doesn't cause any more damage than others
and less than some I can think of. Why all the angst?
What are you, an amateur psychologist? You would instantly go broke,
with that kind of BS.
I'm no psychologist of any kind. I just recognize that
the kinds of attacks that you engage in are probably
pathological in nature because they target one single
group and one single activity, when there are other
groups and other activities which are more damaging
than the group you have targeted.

You obviously haven't bothered to even read my signature, much less my
website. You know NOTHING about me, or you wouldn't make such stupid
statements..

I have read your screeds on mountain biking and I've
read your proposal for "pure wilderness".

I don't really want to read them again.

The pure wilderness thing is a nice romantic idea, but
there is no land anywhere on the globe short of
Antarctica and the Greenland ice cap that haven't in
some way felt the hand of humans. Humans are a part
of the environment. Live with it.


Who, who rides a mountain bike, hurt you?- Hide quoted text -
I never said I'm "unhappy" with any group. I just tell the truth about
mountain biking. Why don't you like that? More people should start
telling the truth. It would do you some good. All you've proven is
that you can't tell the truth. EVER.
The tone of your attacks say how unhappy you are with
the group called "mountain bikers".

No it doesn't. I'm unhappy about mountain BIKING. DUH!

You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man,

Liar. I have never said any such thing. What do you think you are
gaining, by LYING all the time?

Your anger, intensity and emphasis say it for you.


also
patently untrue.

You may have a case. In fact I think you do have a case
but your presentation and gross exaggerations, not to
mention the anger in your presentation pushes people
away from your case in droves.

YOU are doing more to promote damage caused by mountain
biking than any other force on the planet.

There. Now there is a gross exaggeration, which has
enough truth in it to maybe reach even you.

No, it's the same as all your other lies.

I have no other lies. Read it again, then take
a poll on the MB sites that you cross-post to
and see what they all say. You may be surprised
at how truthful I really am.


Read it three times before your respond.

It really isn't worth reading even ONCE. It is a total waste of time
to talk with a LIAR.

It's becoming clearer that talking with you may
be a waste of time. Is it?

Honey, not vinegar.

Demonstrate. I don't think you can. You certainly don't practice what
you preach!

Sure I do. I don't call you stupid, or a liar

I just tell the TRUTH. "Liar" is exactly what you are! What's wrong
with telling the truth?!

with
everything you write, even though I have ample cause
to do just that, oh, not the stupid part because
clearly you aren't stupid. You do lie,

No, I don't. Unless you can produce proof, your statement is
worthless, like the rest of what you write.

exaggerate,
present one side of an argument and make straw man
comparisons however.

I engage in reasoned discourse without the use of
ad-homs to make a point or to **** you off so that
maybe you'll go away if I insult you bad enough.

You LIE and fabricate BS about me. You call that "honey"?

You are an incorrigible LIAR. You FABRICATED what you just said. You
are truly pathetic.

I have no proof that someone who is a mountain
biker hurt you. In that I did fabricate.

That's exactly my point! Why do you think that LYING benefits you, or
anyone else????

The rest
of what I said is clear for all to read, I just
drew an inference from that based on the degree
of anger shown by you against one single group.

1. You have no evidence of "anger".
2. You have no evidence that I'm concerned about only one group.
3. You fabricate, because you really have no idea what you are talking
about, and you haven't bothered to do your homework.
4. That makes your messages exactly WORTHLESS.

Do your homework before opening your mouth. Ignorance of the truth is
no excuse for lying.

I'm doing my homework by asking you WTF.

You should have read my website. It would answer all your questions.
But you are too LAZY to do so. I actually WROTE it all. See the
difference?

I suppose
I could go back to the earlier post to find out what
kind of forum it was. I suspect it will be a private
list like a Yahoo group which has the ability to
remove posts that the membership and moderator don't
like and are contrary to their charter.

If you actually CARED about the truth, you would. But you only care
about trying to discredit me, which you can't possibly do, even if you
DO do your homework.

You obviously haven't bothered to even read my signature, much less my
website. You know NOTHING about me, or you wouldn't make such stupid
statements..

I have read your screeds on mountain biking and I've
read your proposal for "pure wilderness".

Then you obviously didn't understand them. By the way, I don't write
"screeds". I write scientific articles, which get accepted for
presentation at scientific conferences and/or publication in
scientific works, multiple times.

I don't really want to read them again.

The pure wilderness thing is a nice romantic idea,

It's not a romantic idea. It is a scientific and biological necessity.

but
there is no land anywhere on the globe short of
Antarctica and the Greenland ice cap that haven't in
some way felt the hand of humans.

So what??????

Humans are a part
of the environment. Live with it.

Humans are the most DESTRUCTIVE part of the environment. An invasive
exotic species native to PART of Africa.

*You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man,

Liar. I have never said any such thing. What do you think you are
gaining, by LYING all the time?

Your anger, intensity and emphasis say it for you.

BS. You are simply and plainly a LIAR. Answer my question!

I have no other lies. Read it again, then take
a poll on the MB sites that you cross-post to
and see what they all say. You may be surprised
at how truthful I really am.

I see now: as an inveterate LIAR, you don't understand the value of
telling the truth. You think it implies some kind of psychological
problem (anger or revenge).

It really isn't worth reading even ONCE. It is a total waste of time
to talk with a LIAR.

It's becoming clearer that talking with you may
be a waste of time. Is it?

Not at all, IF you are open to learning something. There is absolutely
NOTHING anyone can learn from a LIAR, except perhaps that the opposite
of what you say is closer to the truth.

On Apr 8, 3:32*am, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote:
On 4/7/2010 3:58 PM, Bruce Jensen wrote:





On Apr 7, 1:15 pm, *wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 6, 1:06 pm, *wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
because they can't defend mountain biking. They would rather let
rec.bicycles.off-road DIE, than let me use it to tell the truth about
mountain biking!
Mike
At 12:58 AM 4/5/2010, wrote:
mjvande,
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Message:
i've deleted your post because it was neither relevant to the event you'd
posted it on (which takes place on dedicated mtb trails designed and
created
specifically for that purpose) nor the territory it takes place in
(the uk,
where there is a legal right to cycle on bridleways and other rights
of way)
That is just censorship, plain and simple. I put it back, because it
absolutely IS relevant! Do you think that an animal killed by a
mountain biker cares whether mountain biking is "legal" or not?! My
post has nothing to do with whether it is legal or not. Environmental
damage isn't okay, just because it's legal! If everyone agreed on
everything, there would be no need for comments, would there? The
option to comment is there precisely because people DO disagree.
Censorship, under any name, is repugnant.
Like I've been saying Mike, ramming your ideas down
other people's throats does not make you a hero with
them.

How can I do that, liar?

Honey, not vinegar.

* It ****es them off. Soften your approach and
you'll make lots more points.

You mean stop telling the truth? That's exactly what the mountain
bikers would like.

Oh, no! Tell the truth by all means. Just tell
ALL the truth and campaign against ALL wheeled
vehicles on land that won't support them. Don't
single out one group because someone in that
group has caused you some discomfort.

* Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.

It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter,& *it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?

Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...

What I want to know is what were the happenstances
which caused you to be so unhappy with one group?
This group doesn't cause any more damage than others
and less than some I can think of. Why all the angst?

What are you, an amateur psychologist? You would instantly go broke,
with that kind of BS.

I'm no psychologist of any kind. I just recognize that
the kinds of attacks that you engage in are probably
pathological in nature because they target one single
group and one single activity, when there are other
groups and other activities which are more damaging
than the group you have targeted.

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I never said I'm "unhappy" with any group. I just tell the truth about
mountain biking. Why don't you like that? More people should start
telling the truth. It would do you some good. All you've proven is
that you can't tell the truth. EVER.

The tone of your attacks say how unhappy you are with
the group called "mountain bikers". You go to great
lengths to show how allegedly dishonest MBers are. How
anybody who rides a mountain bike is a dishonest
mountain biker (which I've shown you to be patently
untrue) and that MBing allegedly causes more environmental
damage than any other activity known to man, also
patently untrue.

You may have a case. In fact I think you do have a case
but your presentation and gross exaggerations, not to
mention the anger in your presentation pushes people
away from your case in droves.

YOU are doing more to promote damage caused by mountain
biking than any other force on the planet.

There. Now there is a gross exaggeration, which has
enough truth in it to maybe reach even you.

Read it three times before your respond.

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VtSkier, it's hopeless. *His severe authoritarianism, masochism and
mania will never allow him to change. *The newsgroups are liberally
littered with decades of the detritus of his offputting egomaniancal
utterances and the hatred that follows him. *Even hundreds of like-
minded people who should be his friends and allies (me among them) all
think he's an asshole. *There will be no end to the damage he has
done.

Save yourself the trouble.

Bruce Jensen

Mikey V. motivates me to get out my old mountain bike and ride some trails.

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Knock yourself out!

On Apr 10, 1:42*am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Apr 7, 1:15*pm, VtSkier wrote:

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*Your post apparently
was off-topic, inappropriate and not in accordance
with the charter of the newsgroup.

It's not a newsgroup, there's no charter, & it wasn't off-topic. Do
you EVER do your homework before opening your mouth?

Now there you go. Framing your response in a pejorative
way. You could have simply told me that the forum was
not a newsgroup. If that's the case, what was it? Was
it a private forum like a Yahoo group? Does the list have
rules? Did you break them? And on and on...

Do your homework before opening your mouth. Ignorance of the truth is
no excuse for lying.

Ever hear of something called a "hypothesis" during your archaic
academic training?

I don't expect you to see the parallel between that and the ridiculous
statement directly above it; so I'll just leave it with, "You write
the darndest things, Dr. Vandeman."