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On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 11:45:38 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:16:00 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:33:02 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 11:08:19 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message A pH of 7 is neutral Normal rain is 5.5. It probably won't help you but normal rain is acidic. So what point were you supposedly trying to make? Normal rain causes metal to corrode, and mostly due to galvanic action around spots of impurities. Potential differences arise and electrolysis dissociates metal ions. Acid rain (as in sulphur pollution) simply does the same thing more enthusiastically. If rain was pure distilled water, there would be no galvanic potentials and probably hardly any corrosion - a lot less people would bother painting or plating metals. What it means is that I'm sick and tired of some ass throwing around leftist passwords about things that they don't know about. "Acid rain" occurs every single day in many locations of the world from totally natural events such as emissions from volcanoes or geothermal outlets. That coal fired power plants also caused it only means that there is a learning curve and if you aren't willing to take any chances at all you are a idiot. "leftist passwords" are orders of magnitude better than running off at a totally irrelevant tangent that has nothing whatever to do with what's being discussed. You're quite right Ian. This is after all a bicycling TECH group and not a political group. So perhaps I can hold my stupid political prognostications if you can withhold your insults to everyone else and tell us about how etymology would have anything whatsoever to do with the discussions at hand. I'm confused - which of the points you raised have anything to do with politics? Some of the replies were from people so stupid they're a danger to themselves and others - you can't just not bother making them aware of this. If you knew what etymology was - you could find that galvanic effect involves electrical potential differences that promote corrosion. ISTR: it was you that started ranting about leftists. Does your understanding of the etymology of "galvanic corrosion" tell you that it has nothing in particular to do with zinc? Does your etymology tell you that at increased temperatures "pure water" can become acidic enough to promote galvanic corrosion? Any lie will do - its so easy to miss quote me - the point I made that you were too thick to get was; zinc isn't the *ONLY* galvanic protection metal. My understanding is plenty sufficient to see that I considered the whole picture, while you pick out narrow examples that help your opinion. So you were misquoted when I suggested you've been telling everyone that you knew etymology of words and that somehow gives you an increased understanding of physics? |
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On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT.. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld. By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later. So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components? |
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On 5/5/2017 2:04 PM, Ian Field wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). Handling cad plate fasteners is different from breathing burning cad fumes, much as breathing burning zinc fumes is different from using cosmetics with zinc oxide, handling metallic mercury is different from breathing organically reactive mercury compounds, and so on. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 11:45:38 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 1:16:00 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 12:33:02 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 11:08:19 AM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message A pH of 7 is neutral Normal rain is 5.5. It probably won't help you but normal rain is acidic. So what point were you supposedly trying to make? Normal rain causes metal to corrode, and mostly due to galvanic action around spots of impurities. Potential differences arise and electrolysis dissociates metal ions. Acid rain (as in sulphur pollution) simply does the same thing more enthusiastically. If rain was pure distilled water, there would be no galvanic potentials and probably hardly any corrosion - a lot less people would bother painting or plating metals. What it means is that I'm sick and tired of some ass throwing around leftist passwords about things that they don't know about. "Acid rain" occurs every single day in many locations of the world from totally natural events such as emissions from volcanoes or geothermal outlets. That coal fired power plants also caused it only means that there is a learning curve and if you aren't willing to take any chances at all you are a idiot. "leftist passwords" are orders of magnitude better than running off at a totally irrelevant tangent that has nothing whatever to do with what's being discussed. You're quite right Ian. This is after all a bicycling TECH group and not a political group. So perhaps I can hold my stupid political prognostications if you can withhold your insults to everyone else and tell us about how etymology would have anything whatsoever to do with the discussions at hand. I'm confused - which of the points you raised have anything to do with politics? Some of the replies were from people so stupid they're a danger to themselves and others - you can't just not bother making them aware of this. If you knew what etymology was - you could find that galvanic effect involves electrical potential differences that promote corrosion. ISTR: it was you that started ranting about leftists. Does your understanding of the etymology of "galvanic corrosion" tell you that it has nothing in particular to do with zinc? Does your etymology tell you that at increased temperatures "pure water" can become acidic enough to promote galvanic corrosion? Any lie will do - its so easy to miss quote me - the point I made that you were too thick to get was; zinc isn't the *ONLY* galvanic protection metal. My understanding is plenty sufficient to see that I considered the whole picture, while you pick out narrow examples that help your opinion. So you were misquoted when I suggested you've been telling everyone that you knew etymology of words and that somehow gives you an increased understanding of physics? I have no recollection of typing that - they appear to be your words. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld. By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later. So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components? Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good luck with that....................... |
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![]() "AMuzi" wrote in message news ![]() On 5/5/2017 2:04 PM, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). Handling cad plate fasteners is different from breathing burning cad fumes, much as breathing burning zinc fumes is different from using cosmetics with zinc oxide, handling metallic mercury is different from breathing organically reactive mercury compounds, and so on. Those are the specific points that certain people are only focusing on the ones that support their opinion. |
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On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld. By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later. So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components? Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good luck with that....................... We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous and not as you get infected with HIV. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld. By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later. So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components? Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good luck with that....................... We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous and not as you get infected with HIV. ISTR: HIV arrived here from the US. Inbred Hillbillies were probably the only one's not spreading it around. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 1:09:01 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld. By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later. So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components? Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good luck with that....................... We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous and not as you get infected with HIV. ISTR: HIV arrived here from the US. Inbred Hillbillies were probably the only one's not spreading it around. As one of the people that worked on the discovery and identification of HIV I could tell you anything you need to know. It was a homosexual disease since it is almost impossible to catch with any other way than anal intercourse. They didn't know where it was coming from and AID's symptoms are all over the board so no one was sure if they were talking about one or a dozen different diseases. Now I can sit back and watch you show everyone how stupid you are. There is no doubt that the disease can be passed between heterosexual partners. Its possible to catch it from infected blood left laying around - if you're that unlucky. |
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On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 12:13:31 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, May 7, 2017 at 1:09:01 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 12:04:23 PM UTC-7, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 3:32:42 PM UTC+1, wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote: On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 8:54:59 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 5/3/2017 2:18 PM, Ian Field wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 2 May 2017 19:12:39 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: "John B Slocomb" wrote in message ... On Mon, 1 May 2017 19:49:36 +0100, "Ian Field" wrote: a great deal deleted know of cadmium plating being very dangerous. You will only weld or braze galvanized steel in a poorly ventilated space ONCE unless you are REALLY stupid. I have never become aware of the dire consequences of welding zinc plated that are being spouted here. "galvanised" can be plated with *ANY* metal that has a higher galvanic affinity than the host metal. Including cadmium and various other toxic heavy metals. I can only assume that you are not from a country where English is the common language as the definition of "galvanized" in the U.S. (and likely in other English speaking countries) is, and I quote, "Covered with Zinc". I'm in an English speaking country that's heard of etymology. You mayb be an etymologist and a Brit, but you have little or no technical knowlege from what you keep saying. You kooks are hilarious, but you do get tedious quite quickly. Feel free to go away. -- - Frank Krygowski Yo, Franki-boy, feel free not to read any posts whose senders make you uncomfortable by not agreeing that you know everything. However, don't feel free to decide who can come to RBT. You've already been burned once for that crime (what happened to your dream of being "a spokesman for bicycles"?), and I'll burn you for it again any time I see you attack anybody's freedom of speech. We have enough scum in erstwhile good universities trying to shut up and exclude people for whom they don't have answers, so we don't need tenth-rate superannuated ******s like you attempting the same slimy suppression of free speech on RBT. Andre Jute I may not agree with Ian Field, but I'll stomp you for denying his right to be wrong as persistently as he cares to be. I don't mind his being wrong so much as purposely being so for no other reason than to be provocative. This isn't free speech - it's starting a fight. And I for one would give it to him in a second were he not protected by distance. I already said earlier that on cadmium Field is just stupid. I pointed out that cadmium is toxic, if you think that's stupid - good luck with that................... Inhalation is the most efficient route for cadmium poisoning, so my comments about welding cad plated steel were exactly correct. If you think its less dangerous than zinc - good luck with that............... There's no immediate effects to warn you of the danger - but just you wait till the osteoporosis sets in. Cadmium ingestion is less dangerous - researchers reportedly fed small amounts of it to laboratory rodents and observed much less toxic effect than expected - but I still wouldn't bother trying it (this is left as a project for the student). The most dangerous source of cadmium is not welding on cadmium plating which would have been ground off anyway in order to get a clean weld. By far the most dangerous source of cadmium is tobacco. The signs of cadmium poisoning are failing liver and kidney functions which are far more common among smokers than cancer or emphysema. And these usually only show up after a lifetime of smoking around the age of 65 or later. So why are you attempting to make cadmium plating some source of danger? What in the hell would EVER lead you to tell us that human lives are at risk by simply handling cadmium plated components? Its a toxic heavy metal, if you're too stupid to handle it correctly - good luck with that....................... We're always pleased to see you girly-men telling us what is dangerous and not as you get infected with HIV. ISTR: HIV arrived here from the US. Inbred Hillbillies were probably the only one's not spreading it around. As one of the people that worked on the discovery and identification of HIV I could tell you anything you need to know. It was a homosexual disease since it is almost impossible to catch with any other way than anal intercourse. They didn't know where it was coming from and AID's symptoms are all over the board so no one was sure if they were talking about one or a dozen different diseases. Now I can sit back and watch you show everyone how stupid you are. There is no doubt that the disease can be passed between heterosexual partners. Its possible to catch it from infected blood left laying around - if you're that unlucky. Ian, please don't look stupid. The disease is almost entirely spread by homosexual sex. The manner in which it is spread is plainly shown in the statistics. I didn't work in the background on this project. I automated the PCR mechanism itself. I programmed it. Dr. Mullis received a Nobel Prize in Chemistry because I could demonstrate his work. What is "blood left laying around"? Do you commonly leave blood laying about? The HIV virus rapidly decays with the lost of fluid density. And in any case it would require direct blood to blood contact. The chances of a heterosexual transference is so long that it probably is only from anal intercourse anyway. People will not speak openly about their sexual practices or at least at that time they wouldn't. Perhaps you have no problems with it. You speak as a possible victim of this. You cannot use some stupid excuse other than your own sexual contacts and in that case they were not heterosexual since I don't remember a single case of woman to man transference. |
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