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Marz wrote:
On Aug 6, 10:34 pm, Doug Taylor wrote: For those who haven't tried flying around single track on a light, stiff bike, climbing while standing, actually picking a line, then what can I say? I love this BS you get from people who claim riding a fully rigid single speed mtb and 'actually picking a line' somehow makes you a better rider over all. I love this BS you get from people who think they can learn to ride properly on an FS without ever needing to learn how to pick a line. F*(king crap, it makes you better rider on a fully rigid single speed mtb and that's it. The lines you take riding rigid could be completely different to the lines you can take riding a full sus and I'm not even saying faster just different. Ahh, but they say there's greater skill required to navigate a rigid bike through rough terrain as opposed to just riding over it with a full sus, more BS. It's just as hard to spot a take off and landing zone over a rock garden at 20mph as it is to pick the smoothest and faster line through the same rock garden at 12mph. So? That smoother and faster line at 12mph will still be smoother and faster at 20 mph. Why beat your bike and body unnecessarily? Frickin' cushy FS apologists crack me up. Greg -- Ticketmaster and Ticketweb suck, but everyone knows that: http://www.ticketmastersucks.org Dethink to survive - Mclusky |
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On Aug 7, 10:26 am, Marz wrote:
It's just as hard to spot a take off and landing zone over a rock garden at 20mph as it is to pick the smoothest and faster line through the same rock garden at 12mph. It's true that suspension allows for more extreme, faster riding. But I don't see very many FS riders launching over rock gardens, outside of downhill races. I see them banging through clumsily, hitting just about everything, and bailed out by their shocks. If you learn to ride that stuff on a rigid you'll be a lot faster and smoother than those who learned to ride with suspension. Robert |
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On Aug 7, 11:39 am, "G.T." wrote:
Marz wrote: On Aug 6, 10:34 pm, Doug Taylor wrote: For those who haven't tried flying around single track on a light, stiff bike, climbing while standing, actually picking a line, then what can I say? I love this BS you get from people who claim riding a fully rigid single speed mtb and 'actually picking a line' somehow makes you a better rider over all. I love this BS you get from people who think they can learn to ride properly on an FS without ever needing to learn how to pick a line. Please define 'to ride properly'. If someone starts out riding a FS and becomes quite skilled at riding a FS are they not riding that bike 'properly'. Why should they need to ride rigid if they're never going to ride a rigid bike. You don't think you need to pick lines while riding a FS? F*(king crap, it makes you better rider on a fully rigid single speed mtb and that's it. The lines you take riding rigid could be completely different to the lines you can take riding a full sus and I'm not even saying faster just different. Ahh, but they say there's greater skill required to navigate a rigid bike through rough terrain as opposed to just riding over it with a full sus, more BS. It's just as hard to spot a take off and landing zone over a rock garden at 20mph as it is to pick the smoothest and faster line through the same rock garden at 12mph. So? That smoother and faster line at 12mph will still be smoother and faster at 20 mph. Why beat your bike and body unnecessarily? So you saying that for any given section of trail you can hit it as hard and fast riding rigid as FS, more BS. And it's riding a rigid bike that's going to beat your bike and body up, not riding a FS. Frickin' cushy FS apologists crack me up. I was sayin' that different bikes suit different riding styles and for the way I like to ride, a rigid would be useless and a SS not as much fun. Maybe I'm negating my 25 years of off roading, going from fully rigid, to hardtail, to FS, but I can't put my finger on any attribute of my riding today that came from riding a rigid bike. In fact I can think of a couple of things I had to unlearn to ride FS, like standing while climbing over rough terrain. Riding a SS track bike did help in developing my sprinting and a high cadence which I now maximise through the use of gears. SS rigid bikes are niche not hardcore, better or faster than other mountain bikes. |
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.com , [...] Get a life, fool. Racing doesn't mean ****. What do you mean? "I went down to the demonstration, To get my fair share of abuse." -- Michael Press |
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.com, JD wrote: On Aug 7, 7:41 am, Doug Taylor wrote: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:41:17 +0930, Michael Warner wrote: On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 02:07:06 -0700, JD wrote: Sounds like you ride with punks and poseurs. No, I ride with A and B-grade vet racers on their training rides, which they say are often tougher than their races. You sound like an idiot, and a fairly slow one. Actually, he's a SS riding mountain biker from amb caught in a cross-posting cultural war with roadies from rbt and rbm. No, just decrying all of the assholes who think that racing and racers are the be all to end all in bicycling. **** them and the EPO drugged horses they rode in on. I think mountain bikers are ready for the big time. Ought to petition to create rec.bicycles.attitude. -- Michael Press The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter. -- Samuel Spade |
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Doug Taylor wrote: On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 18:33:57 -0400, Fred Clydesdale wrote: personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless. You do get that single and fixie are not synonymous? sorry. i should have been more clear. i meant to say: personally, i've never gotten the rationale behind fixies, which are a subset of singlespeed bikes in which the driving gear does not freewheel but is locked to the hub in such a way as to require that the pedals are moving at any time the bike is moving. further, the idea of a singlespeed mtb seems exceedingly impractical, given the wide range of terrain one might encounter on a typical offroad ride. while a singlespeed with a freewheel may be slightly more practical (than a fixed-gear bicycle), it still seems considerably less useful than a modern, multi-gear bicycle. (application of emoticons as required.) |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:47:03 -0700, JD wrote:
On Aug 6, 7:35 pm, wrote: On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:53:04 -0700, JD wrote: On Aug 4, 6:02 pm, Ozark Bicycle wrote: On Aug 4, 7:45 pm, JD wrote: On Aug 4, 3:33 pm, Fred Clydesdale wrote: personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless. We can't all be closed-minded dumbasses. i pass at least 5 fixies a week on the various hills of my weekday ride, never had things happen the other way around. and i'm a CLYDESDALE, for heaven's sake. i'm carrying 3 pounds more bike and 20 pounds more of me up those hills. C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds like it's loaded with punks and poseurs. JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass No one talks smack quite like a SS or fixie freak..... If you think it's unsubstantiated smack, keep kidding yourself. JD Dear JD, Are the single-speed riders in these pictures punks or poseurs? Their successors were much, much faster with derailleurs. They include Lapize, Albini, Thys, Cristophe, Scieur, Buysse, and others, early giants of bicycling who couldn't even ride their single-speeds all the way up the Tour de France passes, much less keep up with contemporary riders who climbed the same passes with derailleurs. http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1910L-Lap... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1910L-Lap... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1910L-Lap... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1912-si-c... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1912-lead... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1913--Des... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1913-6%b0... http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1913-Thys... You can enjoy the details in context he http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...story1910.html *** "Before derailleurs, even the great ones would have to walk their bikes. Here Scieur walks his bike up the Galibier in stage 11." http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t02/1921-11th-... *** "Buysse in Hell. Here he pushes his bike up the Tourmalet." http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t02/1926-Buyss... After the Tour de France allowed derailleurs, single-speeds vanished, and so did pictures of the peloton pushing on foot up the passes. Cheers, Carl Fogel Get a life, fool. Racing doesn't mean ****. JD Dear JD, Are you claiming that you'd pedal your single speed up the passes that routinely defeated the single-speed racers in the early Tour de France, but not the tourists enjoying the outing? Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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Marz wrote:
On Aug 7, 11:39 am, "G.T." wrote: So? That smoother and faster line at 12mph will still be smoother and faster at 20 mph. Why beat your bike and body unnecessarily? So you saying that for any given section of trail you can hit it as hard and fast riding rigid as FS, more BS. No, I'm not saying that at all. If one has learned to pick lines on a rigid bike he will continue to pick those lines on the FS resulting in more comfort and less beating of their bike at greater speeds where a beginner on an FS will pick lines that are only as comfortable as necessary. And it's riding a rigid bike that's going to beat your bike and body up, not riding a FS. No chit. Frickin' cushy FS apologists crack me up. I was sayin' that different bikes suit different riding styles and for the way I like to ride, a rigid would be useless and a SS not as much fun. Maybe I'm negating my 25 years of off roading, Ooooh, your dick is 19% bigger than mine! As an adult I've only been riding off-road bicycles for 21 years. Unless you count the rigid minibike I started on 41 years ago at 3 years old then in that case my dick is way bigger than yours. Greg -- Ticketmaster and Ticketweb suck, but everyone knows that: http://www.ticketmastersucks.org Dethink to survive - Mclusky |
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Dear JD, Are you claiming that you'd pedal your single speed up the passes that routinely defeated the single-speed racers in the early Tour de France, but not the tourists enjoying the outing? Cheers, Carl Fogel Dear Carl, I thought walking steep passes was more efficient than riding them. Cheers, Greg who? -- Ticketmaster and Ticketweb suck, but everyone knows that: http://www.ticketmastersucks.org Dethink to survive - Mclusky |
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