I don't understand - what is this for?

On Aug 7, 1:36 pm, "G.T." wrote:
Marz wrote:
On Aug 7, 11:39 am, "G.T." wrote:

So? That smoother and faster line at 12mph will still be smoother and
faster at 20 mph. Why beat your bike and body unnecessarily?

So you saying that for any given section of trail you can hit it as
hard and fast riding rigid as FS, more BS.

No, I'm not saying that at all. If one has learned to pick lines on a
rigid bike he will continue to pick those lines on the FS resulting in
more comfort and less beating of their bike at greater speeds where a
beginner on an FS will pick lines that are only as comfortable as necessary.

Yes that's the point of riding FS (for me), to take lines that are as
comfortable as necessary to allow a faster transition through a
section of trail. I don't have to restrict how I ride a section of
trail due to the limitations of a rigid bike. But then it's all back
to how different folks get pleasure out of mtbing and what sort of
bike they choose to compliment their style of riding. When I've been
out on group rides I find it great to see how different riders take
different lines through certain sections of the trail based on their
own skill levels, type of bike, riding style and objectives. Even in
racing you don't ever just follow the guy in front, you look for a
line that'll get you past 'em.


Ooooh, your dick is 19% bigger than mine! As an adult I've only been
riding off-road bicycles for 21 years. Unless you count the rigid
minibike I started on 41 years ago at 3 years old then in that case my
dick is way bigger than yours.


That's not a bigger dick that's just saggier balls.

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On Aug 7, 1:36 pm, "G.T." wrote:
Marz wrote:
On Aug 7, 11:39 am, "G.T." wrote:

So? That smoother and faster line at 12mph will still be smoother and
faster at 20 mph. Why beat your bike and body unnecessarily?

So you saying that for any given section of trail you can hit it as
hard and fast riding rigid as FS, more BS.

No, I'm not saying that at all. If one has learned to pick lines on a
rigid bike he will continue to pick those lines on the FS resulting in
more comfort and less beating of their bike at greater speeds where a
beginner on an FS will pick lines that are only as comfortable as
necessary.

Yes that's the point of riding FS (for me), to take lines that are as
comfortable as necessary to allow a faster transition through a
section of trail. I don't have to restrict how I ride a section of
trail due to the limitations of a rigid bike.

I think you're purposely ignoring the point that if you start with a
smoother line, unless it's way out of the way, you're going to go faster and
smoother when on your FS.

But then it's all back
to how different folks get pleasure out of mtbing and what sort of
bike they choose to compliment their style of riding. When I've been
out on group rides I find it great to see how different riders take
different lines through certain sections of the trail based on their
own skill levels, type of bike, riding style and objectives.

Yep, for me the most interesting is seeing the different lines by riding
style given the same skill level and type of bike. It sometimes blows me
away when someone on the same type of bike as me and at the same skill level
takes a line I wouldn't have even noticed.

Greg
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On Aug 7, 1:44 pm, "G.T." wrote:

I think you're purposely ignoring the point that if you start with a
smoother line, unless it's way out of the way, you're going to go faster and
smoother when on your FS.

The smoothest line isn't always the fastest line.

But it's AALLLLWAAAAYYYYS the smoothest.

Robert

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" ""sunsetss0003\"@invalida .com" wrote in
message .. .
See http://www2.trekbikes.com/Bikes/2007/mountain/69er.html.

Is the bigger front wheel to better roll over obstacles, or is it just a
demented fashion statement? Conversely, does the smaller rear wheel
provide any real advantage?

Can't say, but they'd be a bitch on a steep climb...

Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
wrote:

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...he-Buysse-.jpg

This photograph is reversed.


Probably, but it improves the composition no end....

Fred Clydesdale wrote:
In article ,
Doug Taylor wrote:

snip

while a singlespeed with a freewheel
may be slightly more practical (than a fixed-gear bicycle), it
still seems considerably less useful than a modern, multi-gear
bicycle.

(application of emoticons as required.)

You first have to define "useful". If your personal definition starts
with the words "efficient" or "fast", then you are probably correct.
But if it starts with "fun" then it is open to interpretation.
I spend most of my working life either building or designing sailing
boats - not as fast as powerboats, but waaaay more fun.

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
G.T. aka Greg Thomas who? wrote:
Chalo wrote:
JD wrote:
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
JD wrote:
C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds like
it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.
JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass
No one talks smack quite like a SS or fixie freak.....
If you think it's unsubstantiated smack, keep kidding yourself.

If you think you wouldn't go a lot faster with some damn gears, you're
kidding yourself.


Having ridden my multi-geared bikes with the freak on his MTB SS and
on his road fixeds I'd say I doubt that he could go any faster (other
than downhill on the fixed).

Have any professional level MTB races been won on fixed or single-speed
bikes? (Actual, not rhetorical, question)


My friend Jeff is getting top 5 or top 10 in semi pro on his SS pretty
regularly.
With that "training" under his belt, he got second in the Crested Butte
Classic on his geared bike.

My SS team got third overall in the 24 Hours in the Sage last summer
against some pretty good competition.

But that's not really the point. It's fun and changes a given ride to do
it on a SS instead of a geared bike. If you don't like how it changes
the ride then by all means don't ride one. I didn't really get it until
I felt it and now I love that bike. It's strangely addictive.

Now from what I hear, the 69er idea is to let the front wheel stay high
and roll over obstacles more easily, and the rear be lighter, have less
rotational inertia, and "dig" more for traction. Whether it's true or
how noticeable it is is definitely up for debate. But I have two friends
with Trek 69ers and another who built up his own FrankenBike 69er They
all really like theirs. I've only ridden one on pavement, but it does
feel good. I plan on borrowing one soon for a real ride to see what the
hype is about for myself.

Matt (just in from riding my SS - ahhh)

Matt

JD wrote:
On Aug 6, 5:02 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote:
Steve Baker wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote (in part):
I would rather ride my
bikes and argue on Usenet.
Prove it - PLEASE!
Like for, say, a month or so.....
I have proved over and over that I like to argue on Usenet.


Ineffectively, at that!

Go read some more bike racing magazines, it'll make you feel better
about your lame opinions.

Whooosh!!!

What makes you think I have much interest in racing?

P.S. Insults are not effective argument.

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aka Robert who? wrote:
On Aug 7, 1:44 pm, "G.T." wrote:

I think you're purposely ignoring the point that if you start with a
smoother line, unless it's way out of the way, you're going to go faster and
smoother when on your FS.

The smoothest line isn't always the fastest line.

But it's AALLLLWAAAAYYYYS the smoothest.

We have discovered the truism!

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JD wrote:
On Aug 6, 7:35 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:53:04 -0700, JD wrote:
On Aug 4, 6:02 pm, Ozark Bicycle
wrote:
On Aug 4, 7:45 pm, JD wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:33 pm, Fred Clydesdale wrote:
personally, i've never gotten the whole single/fixie thing, and
a singlespeed mtb seems beyond useless.
We can't all be closed-minded dumbasses.
i pass at least 5 fixies
a week on the various hills of my weekday ride, never had things
happen the other way around. and i'm a CLYDESDALE, for heaven's
sake. i'm carrying 3 pounds more bike and 20 pounds more of me
up those hills.
C'mon out and ride with me sometime. I'll show you just how
inefficient singlespeed bikes are. Your weekday ride sounds like it's
loaded with punks and poseurs.
JD 225lbs and can still kick your ass
No one talks smack quite like a SS or fixie freak.....
If you think it's unsubstantiated smack, keep kidding yourself.
JD
Dear JD,

Are the single-speed riders in these pictures punks or poseurs? Their
successors were much, much faster with derailleurs.

They include Lapize, Albini, Thys, Cristophe, Scieur, Buysse, and
others, early giants of bicycling who couldn't even ride their
single-speeds all the way up the Tour de France passes, much less keep
up with contemporary riders who climbed the same passes with
derailleurs.

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1910L-Lap...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1910L-Lap...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1910L-Lap...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1912-si-c...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1912-lead...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1913--Des...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1913-6%b0...

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t011/1913-Thys...

You can enjoy the details in context he

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...story1910.html

***

"Before derailleurs, even the great ones would have to walk their
bikes. Here Scieur walks his bike up the Galibier in stage 11."

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t02/1921-11th-...

***

"Buysse in Hell. Here he pushes his bike up the Tourmalet."

http://www.bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf%...t02/1926-Buyss...

After the Tour de France allowed derailleurs, single-speeds vanished,
and so did pictures of the peloton pushing on foot up the passes.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel


Get a life, fool. Racing doesn't mean ****.

Generally, the racers in the TdF only urinate during the race, so JD has
a point.

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