Chaos, death and disaster - several bombs have just exploded in London ;-(

0ld Yank wrote:
snip some crap

Bicycles are for girls.


Someone better tell the Mormons!

--Yankee Viejo



I found this first-hand account of a self-proclaimed Christian
committing murder. Interesting.
http://www.wandea.org.pl/pro-life.htm

Matt

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:45:36 -0700, Mark Hickey wrote:

Where does this impression come from? DYOR, but it's patently not true.

The impression comes from my own personal observations (or more
accurately, lack of observations...), and from similar opinions by
many in the mainstream media (seemingly pretty even across any
ideological divides).

I have seen individual clerics making statements condemning the
violence, but too few, too seldom.

If you've got information to the contrary, I'd really love to see it
(that's not a sarcastic comment - but a genuine request).

There are loads of articles - just Google. This is a pretty good summation
of the Muslim countries that have condemned the atrocity:
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=9140

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:23:43 -0500, "0ld Yank" same@ Isee.net wrote:

(Cross posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.food.cooking-sissy)



"G.T." wrote in message
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"0ld Yank" same@ Isee.net wrote in message
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If Blair said that poverty causes terrorism, he was wrong. He was
prolly
pandering to his socialist base--and it was a silly silly statement.
You
are equally silly for mouthing it here on the newsgroup. I was born in
the
middle of the Great American depression. My dad made $.17 an hour when
he
could get work. My parents were so poor they ate beans and bread for
months. It took them years to recover from their plight. In the
interim,
they never killed anyone, and neither did their equally destitute
neighbors.

Sensible people don't kill because they are in lack. Evil people kill
because they know they can.

As for Fundamental(ist) Christianity being as wrong as Fundemental(ist)
Islam, I also disagree. You are hideously misinformed. There are no
accepted Christian churches preaching terrorism or indiscriminate
killing
of
peoples of other religions.


There have many killings of gays and pro-choice doctors by fundamentalist
Christians in the name of Christ. You're a complete ****ing moron.
That's
terrorism.

Greg


You are not a very good reader, are you? I wrote: "There are no accepted
Christian churches preaching terrorism or indiscriminate killing of peoples
of other religions."

Homosexuality and abortion are repugnant examples of immorality, but there
are no accepted Christian churches preaching the killing of those who
practice those acts.

Seems a rather self-serving statement: if a Christian sect teaches
these things, it isn't "accepted," but if a Moslem sect does the same
it presumably is.

--
Josh

bomba wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 07:45:36 -0700, Mark Hickey wrote:

Where does this impression come from? DYOR, but it's patently not true.

The impression comes from my own personal observations (or more
accurately, lack of observations...), and from similar opinions by
many in the mainstream media (seemingly pretty even across any
ideological divides).

I have seen individual clerics making statements condemning the
violence, but too few, too seldom.

If you've got information to the contrary, I'd really love to see it
(that's not a sarcastic comment - but a genuine request).

There are loads of articles - just Google. This is a pretty good summation
of the Muslim countries that have condemned the atrocity:
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=9140

That's an interesting link - thanks... but it's talking about
polititians condemning the violence, not Muslim clerics. Imagine for
a minute if Timothy McVeigh had claimed that he blew up the Federal
Building in Oklahoma City as part of an action on behalf of the
Baptist Church. Can you imagine how vocal the Baptist leadership
would get? That's what I'd like to see out of the Muslim clerics.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

"G.T." wrote:

There have many killings of gays and pro-choice doctors by fundamentalist
Christians in the name of Christ. You're a complete ****ing moron. That's
terrorism.

The difference being that a) the killers are not "fundamentalists"
(unless you can show me where Jesus suggested killing doctors and gay
people...), and b) that the Christian leadership is extremely vocal in
their opposition to the killings. But I agree, it's terrorism.

There are whackos of every political persuasion - I'm going to rise
above listing some that were on the left side of the spectrum because
that would be equally irrelevant.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
news
"G.T." wrote:

There have many killings of gays and pro-choice doctors by fundamentalist
Christians in the name of Christ. You're a complete ****ing moron.
That's
terrorism.

The difference being that a) the killers are not "fundamentalists"
(unless you can show me where Jesus suggested killing doctors and gay
people...),

Call them what you will, they're still killing and terrorizing in the name
of Christ. When someone is dead does it really matter if the killer can be
labelled a "fundamentalist"?

and b) that the Christian leadership is extremely vocal in
their opposition to the killings.

BS. I see plenty of conservative Christians dismissing the killings as
God's work.

But I agree, it's terrorism.

There are whackos of every political persuasion - I'm going to rise
above listing some that were on the left side of the spectrum because
that would be equally irrelevant.


I don't see any atheists killing in the name of no-God.

Greg

In article , "G.T."
wrote:

Call them what you will, they're still killing and terrorizing in the name
of Christ. When someone is dead does it really matter if the killer can be
labelled a "fundamentalist"?


Apparently it does to you...


--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the
ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

Call them what you will, they're still killing and terrorizing in the name
of Christ. When someone is dead does it really matter if the killer can
be
labelled a "fundamentalist"?

Sure. You can't libel the dead. You can libel the killers!!


and b) that the Christian leadership is extremely vocal in
their opposition to the killings.

many examples via google...


BS. I see plenty of conservative Christians dismissing the killings as
God's work.

Where are you? in So Cal....I find this hard to believe....(insert sarcasm
here)



But I agree, it's terrorism.

There are whackos of every political persuasion - I'm going to rise
above listing some that were on the left side of the spectrum because
that would be equally irrelevant.


I don't see any atheists killing in the name of no-God.

Greg

you're serious aren't you??

"0ld Yank" same@ Isee.net wrote in message
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wrote in message
oups.com...
0ld Yank wrote:
"Michel Boucher" wrote in message
...
Mark Hickey wrote in
:

I'm suggesting that Webster's is not a dictionary.

... and therefore that Americans shouldn't use an American
"dictionary" when composing email? Then pray tell, what source of
literary accuracy SHOULD us poor colonials refer to when
attempting to craft verbiage that might inadvertently travel
across the big pond?

Should we replace our "z" keys with an extra "u" key, perhaps?

Is this like the UK version of the spelling police?

I'm not in the UK, so the short answer is...no. You can do what you
want but if you quote Webster's as an authority on language, I will
not accept that. You are free to do so, but you may from time to
time encounter opprobrium for your jejune use of local resources.
Personally, I only recognize the Oxford and you, as a websterite,
have the option of consulting the New Oxford American [sic]
Dictionary. So don't tell me you weren't warned.

http://www.oup.com/us/brochure/noad/?view=usa


Lordy lordy®. All this time I thought I was speaking English, and I was
really speaking Websterese. Of course, that's better than those
snooty-tooty people on the big island who speak *Oxfordian*.

But whatever they speak, they need to get their idiotic heads buckled on
right and see this terrorist thing for what it is: A war against
everyone
who doesn't Islamibabble.

Terrorism in the name of religion is just that. Terrorism.
Nothing more, nothing less.
To suggest otherwise shows your complete ignorance of the situation and
indeed the facts.

Mike


You can't read, can you?
You guys need to spend more time in school and less time on those silly
wire-wheelers.

Bicycles are for girls.

--Yankee Viejo

bbbzzzzzttt.Sorry, you're automatically disqualified from being considered
credible.

They're some nice parting gifts backstage. Thanks for playing.

"G.T." wrote:

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
news
"G.T." wrote:

There have many killings of gays and pro-choice doctors by fundamentalist
Christians in the name of Christ. You're a complete ****ing moron.
That's
terrorism.

The difference being that a) the killers are not "fundamentalists"
(unless you can show me where Jesus suggested killing doctors and gay
people...),

Call them what you will, they're still killing and terrorizing in the name
of Christ. When someone is dead does it really matter if the killer can be
labelled a "fundamentalist"?

Only if the label is being applied inaccurately.

and b) that the Christian leadership is extremely vocal in
their opposition to the killings.

BS. I see plenty of conservative Christians dismissing the killings as
God's work.

Name some. I don't know one, and I know quite a few conservative
Christians.

But I agree, it's terrorism.

There are whackos of every political persuasion - I'm going to rise
above listing some that were on the left side of the spectrum because
that would be equally irrelevant.


I don't see any atheists killing in the name of no-God.

Greg, Lenin. Lenin, Greg. Glad you two could finally meet.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame