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  #41  
Old March 15th 11, 01:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 8:17*am, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 14, 9:48*pm, Tony Raven wrote:

Derek C wrote:
Isn't time also a finite resource? *Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving *at 70 mph.


Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. *Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.


I thought you could read, snooze, watch a movie and eat in a car as
well?


You can if you're not driving. And you can snooze better in the
knowledge that you won't be carried beyond your destination if
oversleep, and there won't be some weirdo staring at you when you
sleep or some git trying to nick your stuff....

If it's OK to want private space at home, why is it suddenly so
awfully selfish and unsustainable to want the same thing on the move?

I saw a cabbie with an ipod propped up on his dashboard watching
cricket the other day and eating and reading are very commonplace as
is falling asleep at the wheel.


Falling asleep at the wheel is "very commonplace"? Ah, that explains
why I'm constantly having to dodge cars as they veer randomly off the
road....
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Old March 15th 11, 02:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Derek C wrote:

And the rail
fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger,
which is not true for a car.


You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? But it
keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything.

Tony

* e.g. http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/special-offers/3plus/
  #43  
Old March 15th 11, 02:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 12:18*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
Falling asleep at the wheel is "very commonplace"? *Ah, that explains
why I'm constantly having to dodge cars as they veer randomly off the
road....


Yes, one clown ended up killing 10 people and 82 people suffered
serious injuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep-deprived_driving

"According to a 1998 survey, 23% of adults have fallen asleep while
driving.[1] According to the United States Department of
Transportation, male drivers admit to have fallen asleep while driving
twice as much as female drivers.[2]

In the United States, 250,000 drivers fall asleep at the wheel
everyday, according to the Division of Sleep Medicine at Harvard
Medical School and in a national poll by the National Sleep
Foundation, 54% of adult drivers said they had driven while drowsy
during the past year with 28% saying they had actually fallen asleep
while driving. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration, drowsy driving is a factor in more than 100,000
crashes, resulting in 1,550 deaths and 40,000 injuries annually"
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  #44  
Old March 15th 11, 03:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:

And the rail
fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger,
which is not true for a car.


You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it
keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything.


Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph?
If so, why?
  #45  
Old March 15th 11, 03:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 2:26*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote:

Derek C wrote:


And the rail
fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger,
which is not true for a car.


You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it
keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything.


Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph?
If so, why?


It wastes fuel and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be
80 + 8 + 3 mph = 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people
are *already* doing.

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  #46  
Old March 15th 11, 04:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:

And the rail
fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger,
which is not true for a car.


You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it
keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything.

Tony

* e.g.http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/special-offers/3plus/


Let me know when you find the Railcard that helps a couple in their
30s with no kids get from the East Midlands to London cheaper than
taking the car.

Colin
  #47  
Old March 15th 11, 06:04 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 14, 9:48 pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:
Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.


Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it
takes to drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a
movie, eat or whatever on the way rather than just sitting there
holding a steering wheel.


I thought you could read, snooze, watch a movie and eat in a car as
well?
I saw a cabbie with an ipod propped up on his dashboard watching
cricket the other day and eating and reading are very commonplace as
is falling asleep at the wheel.


I fell asleep at the wheel last week. What a mess. Clay everywhere.


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Old March 15th 11, 06:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 2:42*pm, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 15, 2:26*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:

On Mar 15, 1:00*pm, Tony Raven wrote:


Derek C wrote:


And the rail
fare costs go up in 100% increments for each additional passenger,
which is not true for a car.


You've not heard of railcards and the various offers* then? *But it
keeps up your tradition of being wrong on everything.


Tony, do you oppose the motorway speed limit being raised to 80mph?
If so, why?


It wastes fuel


Self-regulating. People don't need a speed limit to go slowly if they
want to save fuel. If they don't want to save fuel, and are happy to
pay the extortionate prices for more, that's up to them, as this is a
free, capitalist society, despite some wishing otherwise.

In any event, speed limits should only be about safety, as that's why
they carry points. The idea of someone being banned from driving for
using fuel inefficiently four times must surely be ludicrous even to
you.

and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be
80 + 8 + 3 mph = 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people
are *already* doing.


Actually the ACPO guidelines are that enforcement starts at 10% +
2mph, not 10% + 3mph. And in answer to your point, so what? What is
so specifically dangerous about 90mph in good conditions, other than
"Oh shock horror, it's a whole 20mph above the current limit"? Why
should the limit be 70mph in particular? Can you answer that without
referring to the fact that it's already 70mph? It seems that you're
effectively saying "The speed limit shouldn't be raised because the
speed limit shouldn't be raised".

The Cumbria "Safety" Camera Partnership currently sends out tickets to
anyone they zap doing 79mph or above on the M6, rain or shine,
deserted or otherwise. What you're saying is not only that that's
right and proper because "the law is the law", but that the law can't
possibly be changed, and that 79mph threshold can't possibly be
raised, because it would just be too dangerous. It's actually
necessary to ticket people doing 79mph, every single time it's
detected, not just because it's illegal, but because it's so fast that
it's unsafe. I'm sorry, that's just barking. Do you think 80mph on
an unrestricted Autobahn is dangerous? You're saying 80mph would be
dangerous even if it were allowed here, so surely it must be dangerous
in Germany as well?

Still, fair play to you, at least you've had a go at explaining why
you oppose an 80mph limit, unlike Squawk and Chapman, who seem to be
really struggling for excuses to support the 70mph restriction with
"think of the cyclists" removed from their arsenal. Ah, the trials
and tribulations of being a car-hater who won't admit to being a car-
hater.

BTW I heard that a judge shoplifted on his way to work this morning.
Oh no, sorry, he was speeding. But I know that for you, it's the same
whichever he did. ;-)
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Old March 15th 11, 07:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mar 15, 5:24*pm, Nuxx Bar wrote:
and would mean the de facto speed limit would really be
80 + 8 + 3 mph = 91mph as opposed to the near 80mph a lot of people
are *already* doing.


Actually the ACPO guidelines are that enforcement starts at 10% +
2mph, not 10% + 3mph. *


Each force has its own guidelines.
+3mph is an average.
Ours is much higher than your example.

"MOTORISTS will be able to travel at speeds of up to 39mph in a 30mph
zone without being fined and given penalty points, the Mail can
reveal.
Humberside Police want more offenders to attend a Speed Awareness
Course (SAC) designed to educate drivers.
Under present rules, drivers travelling at ten per cent over the
limit, plus between two and four miles per hour, are given the
opportunity to pay £75 to attend an SAC, instead of receiving a fine
and points on their licence.
It means that, currently, drivers caught travelling at 37mph and above
in a 30mph zone are prosecuted, while those driving at between 35mph
and 37mph have the option of an SAC. But police intend to increase
the threshold next month to use a 10 per cent plus two to six miles
per hour rule.
The change means drivers caught travelling at speeds up to 39mph in a
built-up area will not necessarily be prosecuted."

So much for the "war on the motorist" and that's in built up areas.

Anyway - it's OT for urc now.


http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...l/article.html

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Old March 15th 11, 07:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 15/03/2011 08:17, Simon Mason wrote:
On Mar 14, 9:48 pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Derek C wrote:
Isn't time also a finite resource? Driving from London to Scotland
takes for ever driving at 70 mph.


Takes a lot less time on the train at 125mph. Less time than it takes to
drive to Manchester. Plus you can read, snooze, watch a movie, eat or
whatever on the way rather than just sitting there holding a steering
wheel.


I thought you could read, snooze, watch a movie and eat in a car as
well?
I saw a cabbie with an ipod propped up on his dashboard watching
cricket the other day and eating and reading are very commonplace as
is falling asleep at the wheel.


My car has a TV in the dash. With tuner. Not sure how it will cope with
the analogue switchoff, and I'm unlikely to find out as I have not even
bothered tuning it in.

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