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Old March 15th 11, 01:27 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...ks-stretch.htm

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday’s incident occurred when the driver “was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,”
adding “a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...-rage-cyclists

Perhaps there should be a law against deliberate ramming using a cycle
weapon?

Oh. BTW Doug - do you have the figures yet for how many cyclists die
through deliberate ramming - or are you still being a wriggling ******?

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Old March 15th 11, 11:46 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Raven[_3_]
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious
Cambridge flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...ks-stretch.htm



"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday’s incident occurred when the driver “was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud
bang,” adding “a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her
car causing damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist
speed off back along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop
and cycle around her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...-rage-cyclists



The only time I've been knocked off my bike the motorist claimed to the
police and her insurance company that I had "deliberately rammed" her
car and broken her wing mirror.

The only problem for her was there were witnesses (car drivers, not
cyclists) who the police interviewed and who said she clearly drove into
me not the other way round. She was also unable to produce any evidence
of damage or receipts for having damage repaired. So don't believe
everything that one side of the story tells you.

I contacted Cambridge Police at the time over the Garlic Row and crack
down article you linked to. This was their response:

"This incident was reported to us as a crime and as such we are
investigating this alleged offence. By all means, if we are able to
talk to the cyclist involved we would be able to establish both sides of
what happened. It seems just selected details from the alleged incident
were included in the news story.

It was the choice of the paper to seek out a crime involving a cyclist
and not something the police actively sought to highlight. Our campaign
is aimed at encouraging cyclists and drivers to be seen and be safe on
the roads and this is what we wanted to highlight but we have
limited control over how newspapers present this."

So no "police target anti-social bike rage cyclists" then.

On the Hills Road one, the Council put up signs telling motorists to
follow cyclists into and through the road works and not try and overtake
them.


Tony

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Old March 15th 11, 12:41 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Smith
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On Tue, 15 Mar, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...ks-stretch.htm

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday’s incident occurred when the driver “was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,”
adding “a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."


If the only account of the incident is from someone that didn't see
the event, and didn't see the events immediately preceding the event,
how does the spokesman know it was deliberate?

The only explanation I can see is that the spokesman was the cyclist
in question, so presumably the police can simply arrest him, and he'll
plead guilty to criminal damage or assault or something.

regards, Ian SMith
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Old March 15th 11, 01:52 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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On Mar 15, 12:27*am, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

At last, thank you.

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...r-in-clash-at-...

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday s incident occurred when the driver was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,
adding a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...et-anti-social...

Perhaps there should be a law against deliberate ramming using a cycle
weapon?

So what do you think the likelihood of a cyclist killing or injuring
the motorist by this method? Do you have any figures for how many
motorists die or are injured from deliberate ramming by cyclists?

Oh. *BTW Doug - do you have the figures yet for how many cyclists die
through deliberate ramming - or are you still being a wriggling ******?

Why do you requite a precise figure, which is probably unobtainable
anyway, and over what particular time period? It is sufficient surely
that a few die or are seriously injured per year by ramming, according
to a Google search? Probably thousands since the very beginning of car
use in Britain. What useful conclusion would you hope to draw from any
such precise number?

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Old March 15th 11, 02:54 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Raven[_3_]
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Ian Smith wrote:

If the only account of the incident is from someone that didn't see
the event, and didn't see the events immediately preceding the event,
how does the spokesman know it was deliberate?


In the US its known by the acronym SWSS - Single Witness Suicide Swerve
where the driver swears the cyclist suddenly swerved in front of them
and the dead cyclists fails to challenge it.

Tony
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Old March 15th 11, 03:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Nuxx Bar
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Default Deliberate Ramming

On Mar 15, 1:54*pm, Tony Raven wrote:
Ian Smith wrote:

If the only account of the incident is from someone that didn't see
the event, and didn't see the events immediately preceding the event,
*how does the spokesman know it was deliberate?


In the US its known by the acronym SWSS - Single Witness Suicide Swerve
where the driver swears the cyclist suddenly swerved in front of them
and the dead cyclists fails to challenge it.


And of course only a car-hater would automatically jump to the
conclusion that the driver was lying. Maybe the cyclist swerved to
avoid a pothole or an animal running out? Maybe they suddenly got a
puncture? Maybe they had a fit? But no, the evil motorist shouldn't
be driving in the first place, so must take the blame for all
collisions regardless of actual fault.
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Old March 15th 11, 03:39 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_2_]
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"Doug" wrote in message
...
On Mar 15, 12:27 am, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

At last, thank you.

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...r-in-clash-at-...

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday s incident occurred when the driver was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,
adding a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...et-anti-social...

Perhaps there should be a law against deliberate ramming using a cycle
weapon?

So what do you think the likelihood of a cyclist killing or injuring
the motorist by this method? Do you have any figures for how many
motorists die or are injured from deliberate ramming by cyclists?

Oh. BTW Doug - do you have the figures yet for how many cyclists die
through deliberate ramming - or are you still being a wriggling ******?

Why do you requite a precise figure, which is probably unobtainable
anyway, and over what particular time period? It is sufficient surely
that a few die or are seriously injured per year by ramming, according
to a Google search? Probably thousands since the very beginning of car
use in Britain. What useful conclusion would you hope to draw from any
such precise number?

you want a new law to cover it, so what is your evidence that it occurs
often enough to justify a new law.?


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Old March 15th 11, 07:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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On 15/03/2011 12:52, Doug wrote:
On Mar 15, 12:27 am, The Medway
wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

At last, thank you.

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...r-in-clash-at-...

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday s incident occurred when the driver was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,
adding a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...et-anti-social...

Perhaps there should be a law against deliberate ramming using a cycle
weapon?

So what do you think the likelihood of a cyclist killing or injuring
the motorist by this method? Do you have any figures for how many
motorists die or are injured from deliberate ramming by cyclists?


No. Have you got the figures about cyclists killed by deliberate
ramming yet you wriggling ******?

Oh. BTW Doug - do you have the figures yet for how many cyclists die
through deliberate ramming - or are you still being a wriggling ******?

Why do you requite a precise figure, which is probably unobtainable
anyway, and over what particular time period? It is sufficient surely
that a few die or are seriously injured per year by ramming, according
to a Google search? Probably thousands since the very beginning of car
use in Britain. What useful conclusion would you hope to draw from any
such precise number?


If the figure is unobtainable why do you claim the action is 'commonplace'?

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Old March 15th 11, 08:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Graham Nye
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On 15/03/2011 00:27, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...ks-stretch.htm

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday’s incident occurred when the driver “was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,”
adding “a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...-rage-cyclists


Note that these are accounts of two separate incidents, in 2010 and 2009.
In both cases we only have the drivers' claims of what happened.

Perhaps there should be a law against deliberate ramming using a cycle
weapon?


Why? I expect existing legislation would cover any such incidents; if
there was any independent proof that they ever happened.


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Old March 15th 11, 08:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
JNugent[_7_]
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On 15/03/2011 19:02, Graham Nye wrote:
On 15/03/2011 00:27, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Seems the Doug **** was right - deliberate ramming does happen;

"A road rage cyclist rammed his bike into a car at a notorious Cambridge
flashpoint between riders and motorists".

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...ks-stretch.htm

"The newspaper quoted a police spokesperson who said that last
Wednesday’s incident occurred when the driver “was going to turn left
but had to stop to give way to other cars when she heard a loud bang,”
adding “a cyclist had deliberately rammed his bike into her car causing
damage. She looked in her mirror and saw the cyclist speed off back
along Garlic Row. He was angry because he had to stop and cycle around
her car."

http://road.cc/content/news/10482-ca...-rage-cyclists


Note that these are accounts of two separate incidents, in 2010 and 2009.
In both cases we only have the drivers' claims of what happened.

Perhaps there should be a law against deliberate ramming using a cycle
weapon?


Why? I expect existing legislation would cover any such incidents; if
there was any independent proof that they ever happened.


That's a definite "whoosh".
 




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