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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:04:59 -0000
"Scion" wrote: I fell asleep at the wheel last week. What a mess. Clay everywhere. I manage that when I'm awake. :-) |
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Government Could Raise Speed Limit
"Judith" wrote in message
... Bit of course cyclists will still be able to ignore such a limit. Yes, cyclists travelling at over 20mph are a huge problem in this country. If they were forced to limit their speed to 20mph then of course that would be perfectly acceptable. -- Bartc |
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Hash: SHA1 On 15/03/2011 22:54, BartC wrote: "Judith" wrote in message ... Bit of course cyclists will still be able to ignore such a limit. Yes, cyclists travelling at over 20mph are a huge problem in this country. If they were forced to limit their speed to 20mph then of course that would be perfectly acceptable. Sadly Judith will not recognise that this comment was ironic. She thinks that cyclists riding fast are a massive problem (in that they may actually be enjoying cycling, which she apparently believes should be a capital offence). - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNf/ANAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/pG0IAIm4YwfMilepjBZOIUrbrcGw /tuqkuU2UMNG8s8mwChtt88E3+i12V+cWQ8iPfW/7Y6X9fed+65q3HbY2h/E87GK YpQyYGqXUr/RkYct5cV9Rk16BjM6/Sd3fcii1DgOj90jsgKrprwZ3r7VvZuPZz5O uNrLn6SL2XcuVq1Ih+dUGUVJpaKppNLPv0v//3cl4VuVVcqACGNoPMEuSrXaXZ0E 7o+pA4j9SoW3Ylf9Jg+JtN2ObRNfz8x6H3s7KgCOFX1Sk297C8 XXwv6wwmUqidLJ kmeLswSE1mzczIvOCeR7eImzBkICDbSRKgZTxjXKEa9CfnBj0M vm/gVC4ukLsJM= =SvsS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Sadly Guy will not recognise that this comment is ironic. He thinks that
motorists riding fast are a massive problem (in that they may actually be enjoying driving, which he apparently believes should be a capital offence). |
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Hash: SHA1 On 15/03/2011 23:15, Adrian wrote: Sadly Guy will not recognise that this comment is ironic. He thinks that motorists riding fast are a massive problem (in that they may actually be enjoying driving, which he apparently believes should be a capital offence). You appear to have fallen for Nuxx's repeatedly restated delusional nonsense. I had thought better of you. - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNf/lNAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/dncIAK751a3kvdoj4V9d1sVprg1j hHRNK53RpA7pfg4UNsPGXvU9xpQpM5TVu9vJihCz89cEdGjRA5 9L0rtGxr9umb9J 8H80CsGXSI1cMKOXWaDtnolg8l2reVkbOBM50R5xG2dD0B4Meo xrcTnOA1XhYDSA trXrnzD1KnBYHHFvOXtEDv9cf2UYTWoxhgGFNXWe20TPlCAWGO KcytmC/dE1pXQ2 V5Fxn0Pe6NjbMj+73TQx9ma/isjYwrhGwcJzYAIv4Wi5L3aah0fdyyxdvNX/QUyX dWEnCMAkeRfervKkrKV/25R7wTdMVwi+YgiGMSqc3Muf18d5XlbIFEnqyGHbmVg= =hNYi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Hash: SHA1 On 15/03/2011 23:46, Phil W Lee wrote: Seems to me that most drivers could do with some practice at keeping the speed under 20mph. It should be the default in built up areas (where most pedestrians and cyclists can be expected). It would be easily the most effective way of reducing road casualties available, and would be virtually free to implement, if you went about it the right way. It's remarkable how often I find myself doing around 20mph in such areas, just because there is so much information to process, not because of any posted limit. Time-dependent limits would be good too. It's easy to do but might need primary legislation for this purpose. The M25 VSLs seem to work very well. - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNf/wAAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/uK0H/0wobAlLG0hP2O6hT6ZJqtCZ i8VkIuB96viZ0dg5RecsSCmVEJ7ycKslQt/HxT/2vUSa9pVXWKToyIkwrIr+T75k sKcJfSNGzv9qU9EaMAgbxPFsLFlzCrE4obMkUcwj6uLfZMBDor RHuVkx62bo3RYW P6WTpo32s3MWncILGVuz0ujgCYfTz7Ea0EZ97HzDDIZIjSKc6o Jb/8eSm/IAOoJ8 UjIaBdyZy4Vo4kilkiIL1vXNMdirrOaEMeFehhtStPNxpelQyZ Gw4jjToLY8z4Dx 8zgtmqSRntS8tnvMJJrfL8HwY3ejZQw5HHBX6jpBxIXA5h61vy iQECIjHWZ7s0g= =QuN0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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"Clive George" wrote in message o.uk... On 14/03/2011 16:44, Jethro wrote: Transport secretary Philip Hammond is considering raising the motorway speed limit to 80mph in order to shorten journey times and boost the economy. Is it just me, or is this gesture politics of the cynical kind ? Not just you. Nice easy way for the minister to get some positive coverage, and he doesn't have to actually do anything - I rather doubt he'll go ahead and do it. Why not introduce something radical, such as speed limits that end in "5"? (For speeds above 20mph anyway) That means that many roads in town, which are not quite safe enough for 40mph, can have 35mph limits instead of 30mph (and getting a ticket for 36mph). And other roads can be 25mph instead of having to drop all the way to 20. Otherwise, one can only assume that many speed limits are more-or-less arbitrary: why exactly 40mph rather than 33, or 38? (But not 44, which has to be rounded up to 50). While in Europe that 40mph limit would be 37mph (60kph) or 43mph (70kph). (Having limits which are a multiple of 10kph already allows Europe to have more finely tuned limits than we do. And if we still used leagues, then our speed limits could only be 30mph or 60mph!) -- Bartc |
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On Mar 15, 11:42*pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15/03/2011 23:15, Adrian wrote: Sadly Guy will not recognise that this comment is ironic. He thinks that motorists riding fast are a massive problem (in that they may actually be enjoying driving, which he apparently believes should be a capital offence). You appear to have fallen for Nuxx's repeatedly restated delusional nonsense. I had thought better of you. ROFL! Is that the best you can do? You really think Adrian's going to retract what he said just because you've said "Nuxx thinks the same thing"? Pathetic, even for you, ol' Chapstick. That really is straight out of the playground. Most normal adults, unlike you and Ian Jackson, do not consider agreeing with someone to be the same thing as liking them. Even you and I agree on some things (e.g. homeopathy). You're *really* scraping the barrel with what you've said there, even if it is a pretty Chapmanesque thing to say. How about proving that you don't hate cars instead? Oh, of course, you can't, because you can't think of any anti-car measure that you don't support, because you *do* hate cars. If only you could say "Look, I oppose speed cameras, so I can't be anti-car", or "Look, I'm happy with an 80mph motorway limit", or "I oppose bus lanes which are almost always empty", but mysteriously enough, you can't truthfully say any of those things, can you? (I wonder why?) So the desperate, facile effort above is the only way you can think of of attempting to counter the "Chapman hates cars" allegation. You've had *years* and that's all you've been able to come up with. It's not going to cut it, Guy, so why not end this silly charade that you're not anti-car once and for all (and while you're at it, admit that you read my posts, and that you enjoy keeping things on the boil far more than anyone else does)? |
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On Mar 15, 11:46*pm, Phil W Lee wrote:
FrengaX considered Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:35:06 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: As long as such 20mph limits are only in force during school hours, e.g. indicated by flashing lights. There's nothing more ridiculous than having to crawl past a school at 20mph at 3am, or in the middle of the summer holidays (provided there are no extra-curricular activities going on at the time). Seems to me that most drivers could do with some practice at keeping the speed under 20mph. *It should be the default in built up areas (where most pedestrians and cyclists can be expected). It would be easily the most effective way of reducing road casualties available, and would be virtually free to implement, if you went about it the right way. So there we have it. Phil Lee wants drivers to be prosecuted for travelling at 24mph at 3am in all built-up areas. That's on top of wanting to frame anecdotally "dangerous" taxi drivers for kiddie- fiddling. There's a lot of competition but I think Phil Knee may just be *the* most anti-car poster on uk.*. |
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On 15/03/2011 23:53, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15/03/2011 23:46, Phil W Lee wrote: Seems to me that most drivers could do with some practice at keeping the speed under 20mph. It should be the default in built up areas (where most pedestrians and cyclists can be expected). It would be easily the most effective way of reducing road casualties available, and would be virtually free to implement, if you went about it the right way. It's remarkable how often I find myself doing around 20mph in such areas, just because there is so much information to process, not because of any posted limit. Oh, bad luck. You could always take some extra driving lessons. Passplus, perhaps? |
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