ANOTHER Injured Mtn. Biker Rescued West of Bend, Oregon

On Oct 2, 6:15*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"SebastianW" wrote in message

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[...] The risk of injury is one that every mountain biker understands, and

thus undertakes in the sport accordingly. It is unfortunate that this
man is injured, but it is not unheard of by any means. Every aspect of
our life involves risk, even riding public transportation, something
you often advocate, and it is up to the individual to decide what
risks to take. No one forces you to ride your bike off of jumps, it is
entirely a personal choice.

Cyclists who do a lot of mountain biking do indeed know the risks, but most
neophytes do not. Their brains are full of all sorts of nonsense about how
enjoyable it can be without any awareness of the dangers. Mr. Vandeman
performs a valuable service by informing neophytes of the dangers.

Mountain bike trails often contain jumps because negotiating them is

extremely enjoyable, such that the discipline of riding called Dirt
jumping has been created specifically for that purpose. Pictured in
the link below is a series of dirt jumps of various sizes.

Single track trails for mountain bikers need to constructed especially for
them and should not be mingled in any manner with trails for hikers.
Abandoned city dumps and gravel pits would be ideal for them.

Trails that are multi-use, ie. intended for both hikers and cyclists,

will almost never have jumps on them, and if they do they will be
easily negotiable, and not feature gaps between the take off and the
landing as shown in the picture below.

"Multi-use trail" is an oxy-moron. Cyclists need their own trails just as
hikers do.

Trails that are created for the purpose of cycling on the other hand,

are free to have whatever stunts they like, as only cyclists will be
attempting them. An example of something built on a mountain biking
specific trail that shouldn't be on a multi use trail is the teeter-
totter shown in the picture below.

"Single track trails for mountain bikers need to constructed especially for
them and should not be mingled in any manner with trails for hikers.
Abandoned city dumps and gravel pits would be ideal for them." - Ed Dolan

I see no issue with stunts like jumps on mountain bike specific

trails, for the very reason that they are intended for the use of
cyclists only.

Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to kill
themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere
near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist
upon posting articles like these about injured riders?

"SebastianW" wrote in message
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On Oct 2, 6:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to
kill
themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere
near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours!

If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist
upon posting articles like these about injured riders?

We care about what mountain bikers are doing to the extent that they impact
hiking trails and wilderness values. Both Mr. Vandeman and I detest mountain
bikers and would like to see them all dead, at least those that like you
think it is smart to do jumps in the lap of mother nature. If neophytes can
be discouraged from mountain biking by the kind of articles that Mr.
Vandeman posts, then so much the better.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Oct 3, 1:29*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"SebastianW" wrote in message

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On Oct 2, 6:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]

Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to
kill
themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere
near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours!
If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist

upon posting articles like these about injured riders?

We care about what mountain bikers are doing to the extent that they impact
hiking trails and wilderness values. Both Mr. Vandeman and I detest mountain
bikers and would like to see them all dead, at least those that like you
think it is smart to do jumps in the lap of mother nature. If neophytes can
be discouraged from mountain biking by the kind of articles that Mr.
Vandeman posts, then so much the better.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have
not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other -
from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are
only two. years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess
you can say your side has doubled in membership! LOL!!! you have zip
- zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and
there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a
backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer)
because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of
it all. we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing
sport behind us. sucks to be you.

and all the while at least there are other groups where we can discuss
our sports and the likes of you arent around, so we just keep growing
over there. kinda like fighting auto dependency - the wondrous results
of which you never seem to share with us - you are just a hamster
spinning his wheel.......

enjoy your day on the couch.

On Oct 3, 5:32*am, charley wrote:
On Oct 3, 1:29*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:





"SebastianW" wrote in message

....
On Oct 2, 6:15 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]

Neither Mr. Vandeman nor I care in the least if mountain bikers want to
kill
themselves doing dumb things. However, we do not want these fools anywhere
near trails for hikers. Get your own trails and stay off of ours!
If he doesn't care what mountain bikers are doing, why does he insist

upon posting articles like these about injured riders?

We care about what mountain bikers are doing to the extent that they impact
hiking trails and wilderness values. Both Mr. Vandeman and I detest mountain
bikers and would like to see them all dead, at least those that like you
think it is smart to do jumps in the lap of mother nature. If neophytes can
be discouraged from mountain biking by the kind of articles that Mr.
Vandeman posts, then so much the better.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group.

That's what mountain bikers say whenever someone tells the truth about
their selfish, disgusting sport. They can't STAND to hear the truth.
TOUGH!

"charley" wrote in message
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[...]
all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have
not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other -
from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are
only two. years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess
you can say your side has doubled in membership! LOL!!! you have zip
- zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and
there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a
backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer)
because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of
it all. we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing
sport behind us. sucks to be you.

You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible?
The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to
be one screwed up *******!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Oct 3, 2:52*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"charley" wrote in message

...
[...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have

not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other -
from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are
only two. *years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess
you can say your side has doubled in membership! *LOL!!! you have zip
- zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and
there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a
backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer)
because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of
it all. *we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing
sport behind us. *sucks to be you.

You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible?
The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to
be one screwed up *******!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Maybe because to the average person they're just recreational
activities, and one can enjoy both equally. Regardles, I'm done with
this crap. I'm going riding, on a multipurpose trail, and I'm sure as
hell not going to go slow.

On Oct 3, 8:39*pm, SebastianW wrote:
On Oct 3, 2:52*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:





"charley" wrote in message

....
[...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have

not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other -
from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are
only two. *years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess
you can say your side has doubled in membership! *LOL!!! you have zip
- zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and
there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a
backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer)
because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of
it all. *we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing
sport behind us. *sucks to be you.

You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible?
The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to
be one screwed up *******!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Maybe because to the average person they're just recreational
activities, and one can enjoy both equally. Regardles, I'm done with
this crap. I'm going riding, on a multipurpose trail, and I'm sure as
hell not going to go slow.

Good. Break a leg!

On Oct 3, 4:52*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"charley" wrote in message

...
[...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you have

not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other -
from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are
only two. *years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess
you can say your side has doubled in membership! *LOL!!! you have zip
- zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and
there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a
backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer)
because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of
it all. *we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing
sport behind us. *sucks to be you.

You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible?
The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got to
be one screwed up *******!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

no wonder you cant understand, i am not the least bit surprised. as
hard as it is for you to comprehend, i actually support mountain
biking where it is allowed and support no mountain biking where it is
not allowed - such as national parks. therefore you see i am the
perfectly evolved nature conservationist - i can support and practice
both activities where they are appropriate. its classic yin and yang
- the perfect balance. balance is something your mind can not
comprehend, for your mind exhibits classic "unbalanceness". you would
be scary if you actually had a brain and were half-way physically fit.

"charley" wrote in message
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On Oct 3, 4:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
[...]
You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible?
The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got
to
be one screwed up *******!

no wonder you cant understand, i am not the least bit surprised. as
hard as it is for you to comprehend, i actually support mountain
biking where it is allowed and support no mountain biking where it is
not allowed - such as national parks. therefore you see i am the
perfectly evolved nature conservationist - i can support and practice
both activities where they are appropriate. its classic yin and yang
- the perfect balance. balance is something your mind can not
comprehend, for your mind exhibits classic "unbalanceness". you would
be scary if you actually had a brain and were half-way physically fit.

I don't want any mountain biking on any hiking trail no matter where such a
trail is located. If land managers had half a brain they would know that the
two modes of recreation are incompatible with one another. That is something
you would know too if you weren't such a jackass.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"SebastianW" wrote in message
...
On Oct 3, 2:52 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"charley" wrote in message

...
[...] all you two pathetic souls can do is muck up a google group. you
have

not now nor will ever sway or discourage anyone - neophyte or other -
from taking up this sport and practicing it as they choose. you are
only two. years ago it was only MV, now he has ED with him - i guess
you can say your side has doubled in membership! LOL!!! you have zip
- zero - nada influence. you have pretty much ruined this site and
there is precious little real backcountry info here (i am a
backcountry hiker/camper as well as a mountain biker and surfer)
because you two stink up the place so much, but that is the extent of
it all. we all still bike offroad and more are taking up this growing
sport behind us. sucks to be you.

You are engaged in both mountain biking and hiking! How is that possible?
The two activities are diametrically opposed to one another. You have got
to
be one screwed up *******!

Maybe because to the average person they're just recreational
activities, and one can enjoy both equally. Regardles, I'm done with
this crap. I'm going riding, on a multipurpose trail, and I'm sure as
hell not going to go slow.

Yes, by all means, go fast, hit an obstacle, go over the handle bars and
break your ****ing neck. Then lie around for the rest of your life,
paralyzed from the neck down. Well, that is mountain biking for you -
healthy to the bitter end!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota