|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
UH ON ALL OTHER TUBES including 3M Rubber Adhesive n the various liquid electrical tapes, a patch of grocery bag film over the tube threads, cap loosely, squeeze out air n tighten cap. this works here in Florida. The method does not work for small rubber cement tubes. The problem is tiny cracks opening up in the tube where it flexes |
Ads |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 3:32:08 PM UTC-7, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:28:59 PM UTC-4, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 4:49:13 PM UTC-4, Doug Landau wrote: Coat the tube with glue the first time you open it. Ah, great idea! I must confess i just thunk it up i dunno if it actually works UH ON ALL OTHER TUBES including 3M Rubber Adhesive n the various liquid electrical tapes, a patch of grocery bag film over the tube threads, cap loosely, squeeze out air n tighten cap. this works here in Florida. The method does not work for small rubber cement tubes. 'its a pack of Listerine Breath Freshener strips' https://www.specialized.com/us/en/components/tubes Where was that pic taken? |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:27:26 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-10-20 09:32, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:59:49 -0700, Joerg wrote: Interesting. How do you keep that from drying up? That is always my problem. Just a few months after helping another rider fix a flat my vulcanizing tube contents gum up, especially during summer. I have the same problem with the small tubes of rubber cement that I keep in the car. Even the ones that have never been opened are dried out after a few months baking in the car. The best solution I've found so far is to seal them inside a vacuum seal bag. https://www.uline.com/BL_5563/Vacuum-Bags I built my own sealer using an Edwards vacuum pump and a syringe. Harbor Freight is cheaper: http://www.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html For $100 I can buy a lot of new little cement tubes or even whole patch kits. http://www.harborfreight.com/air-vacuum-pump-with-r134a-and-r12-connectors-96677.html $20 is better but still too much for this one purpose. Plus clogs up the garage more. A few days ago I ordered a 5-ton electric/hydraulic log splitter. They have it on a coupon-sale for $230 right now. To my utter amazement this huge 110lbs monster still ships for a $7 flat fee, less than I'd pay for gas to drive to the store for pickup. I have two tubes of rubber cement currently in the car that I'm testing. My guess(tm) is about 9 months so far. I'll open it up after 1 year. I suspect that the Zip-Loc type bags will also work but probably not as well. I haven't bothered to find a Zip-Loc bag that's the correct size for the tube. I also tried using a pressurized outer container. The idea was to raise the pressure outside of the tube to something higher than the vapor pressure. In theory, that should have reduced evaporation. However, the solvent managed to diffuse through the cap seal, and the pre-opened tube was dry in about 3 months. Not sure if a CO2 atmosphere would prevent it from hardening. If so, I could use the byproduct of the beer brewing I started a few months ago. CO2 is coming out of the airlocks so there should be no chance of backfeeding any nasty smells. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ an electric log splitter ? Weenieville goo.gl/nFjuDB who delivers the logs ? Weyerhaeuser ? |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On 2016-10-20 15:35, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:27:26 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2016-10-20 09:32, Jeff Liebermann wrote: [...] I have two tubes of rubber cement currently in the car that I'm testing. My guess(tm) is about 9 months so far. I'll open it up after 1 year. I suspect that the Zip-Loc type bags will also work but probably not as well. I haven't bothered to find a Zip-Loc bag that's the correct size for the tube. I also tried using a pressurized outer container. The idea was to raise the pressure outside of the tube to something higher than the vapor pressure. In theory, that should have reduced evaporation. However, the solvent managed to diffuse through the cap seal, and the pre-opened tube was dry in about 3 months. Not sure if a CO2 atmosphere would prevent it from hardening. If so, I could use the byproduct of the beer brewing I started a few months ago. CO2 is coming out of the airlocks so there should be no chance of backfeeding any nasty smells. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ an electric log splitter ? Weenieville goo.gl/nFjuDB who delivers the logs ? Weyerhaeuser ? Have you ever split four cords by hand? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 9:52:29 AM UTC-7, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 12:37:37 PM UTC-4, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: WTF ? SEZ Skin lubricant Do not use internally https://www.specialized.com/us/en/components/tubes http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/255880 https://www.google.com/search?site=i...izi ng+cement bought a small can yesterday $17 last glue shot at getting the Montrail’s soles back on without a shoemaker. Mon using that NB water soluble glue ? new NAPA number is 165-1685 there is an MSDS contents know to State of California to caws microchephaly https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...ck%20on%20shoe |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 6:54:06 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-10-20 15:35, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:27:26 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2016-10-20 09:32, Jeff Liebermann wrote: [...] I have two tubes of rubber cement currently in the car that I'm testing. My guess(tm) is about 9 months so far. I'll open it up after 1 year. I suspect that the Zip-Loc type bags will also work but probably not as well. I haven't bothered to find a Zip-Loc bag that's the correct size for the tube. I also tried using a pressurized outer container. The idea was to raise the pressure outside of the tube to something higher than the vapor pressure. In theory, that should have reduced evaporation. However, the solvent managed to diffuse through the cap seal, and the pre-opened tube was dry in about 3 months. Not sure if a CO2 atmosphere would prevent it from hardening. If so, I could use the byproduct of the beer brewing I started a few months ago. CO2 is coming out of the airlocks so there should be no chance of backfeeding any nasty smells. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ an electric log splitter ? Weenieville goo.gl/nFjuDB who delivers the logs ? Weyerhaeuser ? Have you ever split four cords by hand? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ 10, Weeenie |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:39:21 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/20/2016 5:33 AM, John B. wrote: Has anyone had success with the glue less tire patches? The ones where you just sandpaper the tube and stick the patch on without any tire cement. I seem to remember sitting on the side of the road some years ago, with the rain pouring down and the damned patches wouldn't stick at all... But that may very well have been the environment :-) I'm not particularly concerned whether the patched inner tube will still be holding air 1 year from now I am mainly concerned with getting home that day. If the patch was air tight for, oh say 4 hours, I'd be satisfied. I have also read that some makes of these patches are better than others but the only sort I have seen here are made by "SuperB" whoever they might be. As with any rubber patching system, the abrasive is intended to clean the surface, not to add surface area. Whether emery or a steel 'cheese grater', wrap the tube across the back of one hand, injury up, scuff lightly and blow off any detritus. Apply clean patch firmly without contaminating either surface with your fingers. To get a good idea of the scope of the problem, try wiping a small area of an inner tube with a volatile solvent such as lacquer thinner (or actual tire buff fluid) and a clean cloth. The big smear of black crud on your cloth is the stuff which keeps a patch from proper adhesion. All that aside, lower pressure fat tire riders seem more satisfied with peel-n-stick than road riders. This may be due to tire pressure or the larger tube section, I don't know. A medical alcohol prep packet is a handy addition to a patch kit. Many riders just bring along a spare tube and do their repairs later in a more conducive environment than by the side of the road, in the rain. Yes, I carry a spare tube and sometimes two. But there are those days when that isn't enough :-( The "sitting the rain" episode was exactly that. Three flats with Gaterskin tires and two spare tubes. The wiping with alcohol is a good idea and I will try it the next flat I have. -- cheers, John B. |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
Joerg wrote:
:On 2016-10-20 15:35, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote: : On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 1:27:26 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: : On 2016-10-20 09:32, Jeff Liebermann wrote: :[...] : : I have two tubes of rubber cement currently in the car that I'm : testing. My guess(tm) is about 9 months so far. I'll open it up : after 1 year. I suspect that the Zip-Loc type bags will also work but : probably not as well. I haven't bothered to find a Zip-Loc bag that's : the correct size for the tube. : : I also tried using a pressurized outer container. The idea was to : raise the pressure outside of the tube to something higher than the : vapor pressure. In theory, that should have reduced evaporation. : However, the solvent managed to diffuse through the cap seal, and the : pre-opened tube was dry in about 3 months. : : : Not sure if a CO2 atmosphere would prevent it from hardening. If so, I : could use the byproduct of the beer brewing I started a few months ago. : CO2 is coming out of the airlocks so there should be no chance of : backfeeding any nasty smells. : : -- : Regards, Joerg : : http://www.analogconsultants.com/ : : an electric log splitter ? : : Weenieville : : : goo.gl/nFjuDB : : who delivers the logs ? Weyerhaeuser ? : :Have you ever split four cords by hand? yeah, and I used to be faster than your splitter is. -- sig 58 |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:59:49 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2016-10-20 06:07, David Scheidt wrote: AMuzi wrote: : :As with any rubber patching system, the abrasive is intended :to clean the surface, not to add surface area. Whether emery That's not what the patching training I've been to taught me. (for automotive and industrial tires, notbike) As I recall, abraiding a tire to #2 texture doubles the surface area avaliable for the glue to cross link with. :A medical alcohol prep packet is a handy addition to a patch :kit. So is a cotton ball. Fluff it out, and drag it aroundthe inside of the tire . It'll snag on the tiniest piece of wire sticking through. :Many riders just bring along a spare tube and do their :repairs later in a more conducive environment than by the :side of the road, in the rain. Certaainly my prefered method. I have a giant bottle of vulcanizing fluid ... Interesting. How do you keep that from drying up? That is always my problem. Just a few months after helping another rider fix a flat my vulcanizing tube contents gum up, especially during summer. What I do is buy those small tubes of "glue", I don't remember the cost but they are cheap and if I open one I just throw it away and replace it with a sealed tube when I get home. -- cheers, John B. |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
Gluele4ss tire patches
On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 5:20:57 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:59:49 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2016-10-20 06:07, David Scheidt wrote: AMuzi wrote: : :As with any rubber patching system, the abrasive is intended :to clean the surface, not to add surface area. Whether emery That's not what the patching training I've been to taught me. (for automotive and industrial tires, notbike) As I recall, abraiding a tire to #2 texture doubles the surface area avaliable for the glue to cross link with. :A medical alcohol prep packet is a handy addition to a patch :kit. So is a cotton ball. Fluff it out, and drag it aroundthe inside of the tire . It'll snag on the tiniest piece of wire sticking through. :Many riders just bring along a spare tube and do their :repairs later in a more conducive environment than by the :side of the road, in the rain. Certaainly my prefered method. I have a giant bottle of vulcanizing fluid ... Interesting. How do you keep that from drying up? That is always my problem. Just a few months after helping another rider fix a flat my vulcanizing tube contents gum up, especially during summer. What I do is buy those small tubes of "glue", I don't remember the cost but they are cheap and if I open one I just throw it away and replace it with a sealed tube when I get home. That prevents finding a tube that you've used before to be empty. It does nothing for the situation in which you find a tube that you haven't yet used to be empty. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Glueless Tire Patches | [email protected] | General | 14 | August 20th 09 05:46 AM |
Where to buy tire patches in bulk? | damyth | Techniques | 7 | October 19th 06 04:53 AM |
Source for smaller tire repair patches? | John Crankshaw | Techniques | 31 | September 6th 06 12:30 PM |
Park GP-2 Tire patches ok? | rs | Techniques | 11 | September 24th 05 10:12 AM |
Tire Boot Patches | John Everett | Techniques | 25 | November 11th 04 02:37 AM |