A bit of a Do

On 12/11/2018 3:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:17:38 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:

Personally, I recognize only two student groups- those who
have met degree requirements and those who have not.

--
Andrew Muzi

I might argue with you on this. If a person meets the degree requirements, then they graduate, earn a degree, and are no longer a student because they graduated. ALL students, who have not graduated, have not met their degree requirements. There cannot be two student groups based on whether they have earned their degree requirements. As you are using it, student is sort of a self defining word. Kind of like bicycle. A bicycle has two wheels. Thus the "bi".


Well done.
You're right, I agree I was hasty in that.

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Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 13:11:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 5:30:12 PM UTC-6, John B. slocomb wrote:
The conditions in the US right now are about 30 degrees. Not much wind. No snow. Rideable, but not enjoyable due to the cold. Sunny day though.

About the same as it is here. Yesterday was a bit chilly, say 27 or 28
degrees and a bit of rain. But no snow. Today it should be warmer,
maybe 30 degrees.

But, of course this is the "cold season" :-)

John B.

We might have very similar climates. Of course where I am, we ain't got to the "cold season" yet. The COLD does not come until late December and all of January.

Perhaps. Of course here temperature is measured in Celsius degrees :-)

cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:01:24 -0800, sltom992 wrote:


In defense of this: I've said many times that a helmet protects you from
the vast majority of accidents - the common fall from hitting a crack in
the road or falling over upon starting etc. In these sorts of accidents
you almost always have either time to partially cushion your fall with
your hands and arms

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR HANDS.
Bad gravel rash/palm damage at least or collar bone fracture at worst.
Think roll, roll, roll and throw too your shoulder.
Consider a basic judo class where the first thing they shoud teach you is
how to land/roll.

or to fall on your side so that the only weight your
head carries is the weight of the head and only the short fall from your
shoulder to the ground.


Helmets DO NOT save lives but they save you from a lot of head bumps.

As for lycra - this reduces wind drag considerably. Ride over a known
course with normal clothing and then with lycra and see the difference
in speed for the same amount of power output.

Nil. I don't ride at speed. I like to see the view and buyng lycra is a
waste of money. YMMV.

Now perhaps you can pretend that people that are dress like racers go to
slow to require it but that most certainly isn't my experience.

Oh no, lycra serves a valuabe purpose. It warns normal people that MAMILs/
MAWILs have chips on their shoulders
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hea...male-cyclists-
lose-the-attitude-20181211-p50ljk.html

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:42:44 +0700, John B. slocomb
wrote:

"To the question "Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go
around the Earth," 26 percent of those surveyed answered incorrectly."

I suppose you think that "The sun goes around the Earth" is the
incorrect answer -- but ninety-nine percent of the time, that's the
most-convenient frame of reference to use.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:01:30 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:42:44 +0700, John B. slocomb
wrote:

"To the question "Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go
around the Earth," 26 percent of those surveyed answered incorrectly."

I suppose you think that "The sun goes around the Earth" is the
incorrect answer -- but ninety-nine percent of the time, that's the
most-convenient frame of reference to use.

Not if one accepts that the earth is spinning around at a speed of
about a thousand miles an hour (at the equator :-)

cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:18:19 +0700, John B. slocomb
wrote:

Not if one accepts that the earth is spinning around at a speed of
about a thousand miles an hour (at the equator :-)

It all depends on your frame of reference. A geostationary frame gets
very complicated if you try to track satellites, but works perfectly
when I navigate to the supermarket.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:42:42 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:01:24 -0800, sltom992 wrote:


In defense of this: I've said many times that a helmet protects you from
the vast majority of accidents - the common fall from hitting a crack in
the road or falling over upon starting etc. In these sorts of accidents
you almost always have either time to partially cushion your fall with
your hands and arms

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR HANDS.
Bad gravel rash/palm damage at least or collar bone fracture at worst.
Think roll, roll, roll and throw too your shoulder.
Consider a basic judo class where the first thing they shoud teach you is
how to land/roll.

or to fall on your side so that the only weight your
head carries is the weight of the head and only the short fall from your
shoulder to the ground.


Helmets DO NOT save lives but they save you from a lot of head bumps.

As for lycra - this reduces wind drag considerably. Ride over a known
course with normal clothing and then with lycra and see the difference
in speed for the same amount of power output.

Nil. I don't ride at speed. I like to see the view and buyng lycra is a
waste of money. YMMV.

Now perhaps you can pretend that people that are dress like racers go to
slow to require it but that most certainly isn't my experience.

Oh no, lycra serves a valuabe purpose. It warns normal people that MAMILs/
MAWILs have chips on their shoulders
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hea...male-cyclists-
lose-the-attitude-20181211-p50ljk.html

In case you're unaware of it, humans have an instinctual drive to break a fall with hands and arms. Be sure and tell someone that may fall down once or twice in their riding lifetime that they did it wrong rather then allow them to figure out how to prevent the fall in the first place. That will be very helpful of you.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 11:01:32 PM UTC-8, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:42:44 +0700, John B. slocomb
wrote:

"To the question "Does the Earth go around the Sun, or does the Sun go
around the Earth," 26 percent of those surveyed answered incorrectly."

I suppose you think that "The sun goes around the Earth" is the
incorrect answer -- but ninety-nine percent of the time, that's the
most-convenient frame of reference to use.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Joy, as a scientist it never occurred to me that way but you're absolutely correct. Thanks for good sense.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:06:41 -0800, sltom992 wrote:

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:42:42 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:01:24 -0800, sltom992 wrote:


In defense of this: I've said many times that a helmet protects you
from the vast majority of accidents - the common fall from hitting a
crack in the road or falling over upon starting etc. In these sorts
of accidents you almost always have either time to partially cushion
your fall with your hands and arms

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR HANDS.
Bad gravel rash/palm damage at least or collar bone fracture at worst.
Think roll, roll, roll and throw too your shoulder.
Consider a basic judo class where the first thing they shoud teach you
is how to land/roll.


In case you're unaware of it, humans have an instinctual drive to break
a fall with hands and arms.

Yep, which is why io poated abnove.

Be sure and tell someone that may fall down
once or twice in their riding lifetime that they did it wrong rather
then allow them to figure out how to prevent the fall in the first
place. That will be very helpful of you.

BTDT when I was "leading" club rides. Vested interest in that is easier
to get some back who had come a croppa if they don't break anything. This
ws in the days when there was no mobile phones, even bricks. Otherwise,
head for the nearest farm house and ring for an ambulance.

On 12/12/2018 8:26 PM, news18 wrote:
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:06:41 -0800, sltom992 wrote:

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:42:42 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:01:24 -0800, sltom992 wrote:


In defense of this: I've said many times that a helmet protects you
from the vast majority of accidents - the common fall from hitting a
crack in the road or falling over upon starting etc. In these sorts
of accidents you almost always have either time to partially cushion
your fall with your hands and arms

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR HANDS.
Bad gravel rash/palm damage at least or collar bone fracture at worst.
Think roll, roll, roll and throw too your shoulder.
Consider a basic judo class where the first thing they shoud teach you
is how to land/roll.


In case you're unaware of it, humans have an instinctual drive to break
a fall with hands and arms.

Yep, which is why io poated abnove.

Be sure and tell someone that may fall down
once or twice in their riding lifetime that they did it wrong rather
then allow them to figure out how to prevent the fall in the first
place. That will be very helpful of you.

BTDT when I was "leading" club rides. Vested interest in that is easier
to get some back who had come a croppa if they don't break anything. This
ws in the days when there was no mobile phones, even bricks. Otherwise,
head for the nearest farm house and ring for an ambulance.

I've led literally hundreds of club rides - long, short, day, night,
flat, hilly, slow, fast. I never worried overly much about people
crashing. Of course, I'd call "gravel" or "hole" if that was needed, and
I might caution people "this downhill has a sharp curve" or whatever.
But it was never much of a worry.

I remember a couple instances where people toppled over when starting
out (e.g. a toe overlapping a wheel) and one instance where someone
panic-stopped for no good reason and caused people to run into one
another. But riders I've led never had a serious injury. I don't think
they had even a minor injury.

--
- Frank Krygowski