A new way for psycholists to mow down the vulnerable

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...s-8428588.html

On Dec 22, 7:46*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus...

Do the vulnerable pay any particular taxes for the upkeep of the
pavements?

"Squashme" wrote in message
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On Dec 22, 7:46 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the
left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus...

Do the vulnerable pay any particular taxes for the upkeep of the
pavements?

Should they be subject to this new risk?

On Dec 22, 8:52*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Squashme" wrote in message

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On Dec 22, 7:46 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the
left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus...

Do the vulnerable pay any particular taxes for the upkeep of the
pavements?

Should they be subject to this new risk?

Perhaps they are not a viable form of transport.

On 22/12/2012 19:46, Mrcheerful wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...s-8428588.html

That is *crazy*.

"David Kent, London engagement officer of Guide Dogs for the Blind, said
the design would put visually impaired people at risk.

"He said: “Cyclists are impossible to hear — they are the silent menace.
Where it puts our particular client group at risk is exactly with
designs like this.”

It is bound to be seen by cyclists as carte blanche to behave even worse
then they do at present and it puts *all* pedestrians at risk. And you
can bet that there will be no question of most cyclists obeying
instructions to give way where the bowl-over-the-pedestrians lane
rejoins the carriageway, right in front of the bus.

On Dec 22, 10:29*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 22/12/2012 19:46, Mrcheerful wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus...

That is *crazy*.

"David Kent, London engagement officer of Guide Dogs for the Blind, said
the design would put visually impaired people at risk.

"He said: “Cyclists are impossible to hear — they are the silent menace.
Where it puts our particular client group at risk is exactly with
designs like this.”

It is bound to be seen by cyclists as carte blanche to behave even worse
then they do at present and it puts *all* pedestrians at risk. And you
can bet that there will be no question of most cyclists obeying
instructions to give way where the bowl-over-the-pedestrians lane
rejoins the carriageway, right in front of the bus.

Why they are going to build this long island out in the road, with a
silly narrow channel for cyclists between it and the proper already-
generous-enough pavement? They should have a nice wide road with
plenty of room for cyclists to overtake the bus on the right. Or,if
they must have an island why not surround it with railings to prevent
the pedestrians, sighted or not, bumbling off it in all directions,
menacing cyclists and their other fellow road-users.
As for cyclists being too quiet, well you have to ask yourself whether
blind pedestrians are viable these days. Still I suppose that
cyclists, as a gesture of goodwill and not admitting any
responsibility, could make themselves as noisy as motor vehicles.

I should prefer this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvC2Wd-Jfw

but some might go for:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMZrW0p2INY

Probably would help the deaf a bit as well.

On Dec 23, 12:09*am, Squashme wrote:
On Dec 22, 10:29*pm, JNugent wrote:









On 22/12/2012 19:46, Mrcheerful wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus....

That is *crazy*.

"David Kent, London engagement officer of Guide Dogs for the Blind, said
the design would put visually impaired people at risk.

"He said: “Cyclists are impossible to hear — they are the silent menace.
Where it puts our particular client group at risk is exactly with
designs like this.”

It is bound to be seen by cyclists as carte blanche to behave even worse
then they do at present and it puts *all* pedestrians at risk. And you
can bet that there will be no question of most cyclists obeying
instructions to give way where the bowl-over-the-pedestrians lane
rejoins the carriageway, right in front of the bus.

Why they are going to build this long island out in the road, with a
silly narrow channel for cyclists between it and the proper already-
generous-enough pavement? They should have a nice wide road with
plenty of room for cyclists to overtake the bus on the right. Or,if
they must have an island why not surround it with railings to prevent
the pedestrians, sighted or not, bumbling off it in all directions,
menacing cyclists and their other fellow road-users.
As for cyclists being too quiet, well you have to ask yourself whether
blind pedestrians are viable these days. Still I suppose that
cyclists, as a gesture of goodwill and not admitting any
responsibility, could make themselves as noisy as motor vehicles.

I should prefer this:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvC2Wd-Jfw

but some might go for:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMZrW0p2INY

Probably would help the deaf a bit as well.

The system in the Standard works perfectly in Europe: there again we
have less knuckle-dragging Luddite bigots.

Squashme wrote:
On Dec 22, 10:29 pm, JNugent wrote:
On 22/12/2012 19:46, Mrcheerful wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus...

That is *crazy*.

"David Kent, London engagement officer of Guide Dogs for the Blind, said
the design would put visually impaired people at risk.

"He said: “Cyclists are impossible to hear — they are the silent menace.
Where it puts our particular client group at risk is exactly with
designs like this.�

It is bound to be seen by cyclists as carte blanche to behave even worse
then they do at present and it puts *all* pedestrians at risk. And you
can bet that there will be no question of most cyclists obeying
instructions to give way where the bowl-over-the-pedestrians lane
rejoins the carriageway, right in front of the bus.

Why they are going to build this long island out in the road, with a
silly narrow channel for cyclists between it and the proper already-
generous-enough pavement? They should have a nice wide road with
plenty of room for cyclists to overtake the bus on the right. Or,if
they must have an island why not surround it with railings to prevent
the pedestrians, sighted or not, bumbling off it in all directions,
menacing cyclists and their other fellow road-users.
As for cyclists being too quiet, well you have to ask yourself whether
blind pedestrians are viable these days. Still I suppose that
cyclists, as a gesture of goodwill and not admitting any
responsibility, could make themselves as noisy as motor vehicles.

I should prefer this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvC2Wd-Jfw

but some might go for:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMZrW0p2INY

Probably would help the deaf a bit as well.

One of the reasons given for disposing of London trams was the accidents
that resulted because they ran down the centre of the street .
--
ennemm

On 22/12/2012 21:30, Squashme wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:52 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Squashme" wrote in message

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On Dec 22, 7:46 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the
left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus...

Do the vulnerable pay any particular taxes for the upkeep of the
pavements?

Should they be subject to this new risk?

Perhaps they are not a viable form of transport.

You forgot to say that pedestrians should wear helmets, especially in
the shower.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

On Dec 23, 11:11*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 22/12/2012 21:30, Squashme wrote:







On Dec 22, 8:52 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"Squashme" wrote in message

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On Dec 22, 7:46 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Cycle lanes will be cut into pavements to allow cyclists to pass to the
left
of stationary buses rather than having to move into the car lane.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...ndertaking-bus....

Do the vulnerable pay any particular taxes for the upkeep of the
pavements?

Should they be subject to this new risk?

Perhaps they are not a viable form of transport.

You forgot to say that pedestrians should wear helmets, especially in
the shower.


Why? They don't keep the rain out, do they?